The Ritualist build for Vanquishing

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 11:19 - 1

The cause

Being inspired by the Vanguard Spiker, after many hours with a Ritualist and after hundreds of different PvE builds, after obtaining the Legendary Vanquisher-title, I've come to the conclusion, that this very build here, has to be the ultimate build for Vanquishing with a Ritualist.

The Build

[Lily's AP;OAej4xiM5Qyl2kLQ7iLTXOMTJXA]

The Description

Inverting enemy's damage output, dealing direct 80dmg, causing a knockdown, having a kd-assassin to keep the enemy down, energy management, burning and resurrect, you're all set. You can customize the build further, but having 3-4 of 5e skills is recommended. Just make sure you time your 13sec Assassin's Promise well and you're all good. Some enemies need different style of approach so you just have to choose wisely which one of the 4 first skills you're up to use first if you want to be the most effective. The 2-4 last skills should be used as energy management, because AP's 17 energy won't cover up all the energy usage for the first 4 skills.

The Replacements

Replace [Spirit Burn] with [Splinter Weapon] or [Ancestor's Rage], if you want to deal damage non-directly and you have a friend with a melee profession. When you know the area has heavy healing, take [Warmonger's Weapon] with you and slap it to a melee ally if possible and replace [Pain Inverter] with ["Finish Him!"].
I just love to take out the bosses with PI, although "Finish Him!" deals 80dmg directly and inflicts 2 conditions at the same time. The timing with "Finish Him!" might be hard, because enemies' healthbars happen to go down so fast

[Protective Was Kaolai] might be a good choice too, if you don't have enough healing already by your team. (I still prefer the all-offensive-style with this build.)

Edit: (credit to Joseph Spiritmaster)
[Spirit's Gift], [Explosive Growth] and [Boon of Creation] (with one spirit if your heroes/allies don't have one) might be also good choices, if you don't mind relying on enchantments too much

Adds extra damage + support + energy management. When using these, run with Spawning Power 12 or even 16.

The Team

You don't have to have heroes for this to work, but to be the most effective..
Add a group of Discord as your Heroes and you're all set.

The Last Tips

For the hardest Vanquish-areas like Tasca's Demise, Ice Floe and such, ask your friend to accompany you with another set of Discord.
If you're running the PI variation of this build, you can ask your friend to take the "Finish Him!"-version so you don't accidentially cast PI to the same enemy your friend has.

The counters this build has are normal anti-caster: Dazed, Knockdown, Interrupts and energy denial.
The good thing here is, [Power Block] can't shutdown you for good.

The Last Word

Have fun vanquishing and C&C always welcome ^^!

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

25 Jan 2009 at 11:29 - 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teknikaali
The cause

The Build

[Lily's AP;OAej4xiM5Qyl2kLQ7iLTXOMTJXA]

The Team

You don't have to have heroes for this to work, but to be the most effective..
Add a group of Discord as your Heroes and you're all set.

The Last Tips

For the hardest Vanquish-areas like Tasca's Demise, Ice Floe and such, ask your friend to accompany you with another set of Discord. now i pick holes 'cause im bored

AP is nothing new or special in vanqs it can be used by all profs...

discord spam is nothing new either..it can be used on any prof (to effect) it doesn't make your rit build the "definitive" - i think i read?

hardest vanqs? it needs improvements if it can't h/h them...and requires another set of discorders if it can't be done with 1set then somethingneeds improving

my 2cents

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 11:45 - 3

Think of it as a solid damage dealing build, rather than a team build

That group of Discord just add the team's damage output. And yes, there's nothing new in AP, but I tried to conclude here, that this very build, is suited best for vanquishing. I used to run the Rt/A Spirit's Strenght builds, but.. it's not really effective to play a rit in front lines with 60AL (or a bit more if used insignias with +armor when under weapon spell..).
And I believe I could have H/H those areas, I just didn't have the patience to pull/aggro carefully as those were my last ones before reaching Leg VQ ^^

Joseph Spiritmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

In the little house on the hill, Ascalon City, Presearing

25 Jan 2009 at 12:52 - 4

It looks good, i'll try it

if i may make a suggestion, Instead of skills 5, 6 or 7, Why not drop yourself 12 (or 16) Spawning Power and run with [Spirit's Gift], [Explosive Growth], and/or [Boon of Creation] This adds extra damage + Support + energy Management.

And how well do the Heros Run Discord with this build, I really have tried Discord i've been running a modifide Sab-way built around my own build.

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 13:21 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Spiritmaster View Post

if i may make a suggestion, Instead of skills 5, 6 or 7, Why not drop yourself 12 (or 16) Spawning Power and run with [Spirit's Gift], [Explosive Growth], and/or [Boon of Creation] This adds extra damage + Support + energy Management.

I didn't mention those as I'm a bit afraid of using enchantments, they usually get ripped pretty soon.. But I'll add that to the build variations ^^

Quote:

And how well do the Heros Run Discord with this build When you get an enemy under one condition and one hex, heroes start to use Discord. You get one enemy conditioned+hexed in 3/4sec and after that it's all about dmg.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

25 Jan 2009 at 15:39 - 6

Question, why [Spirit Siphon]? It's only going to net you at most, 9 energy (before adding in the 5 energy cost). I've been vanquishing with [[email protected]] in that slot.

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 15:55 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightow

Question, why [Spirit Siphon]? Sometimes, when you miss the AP, or it gets removed before the enemy is dead, this gives you the 9 energy to cast one of the 3 10en skills almost instantly (if one of them has recharged). But it's a good choice to have the spirit on that slot. As you'll advance pretty quickly from battle to battle, so there's no much room to regain energy for another set of PI+"YMLD!"+AP+EVAS

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

25 Jan 2009 at 16:05 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by payne

now i pick holes 'cause im bored

AP is nothing new or special in vanqs it can be used by all profs...

discord spam is nothing new either..it can be used on any prof (to effect) it doesn't make your rit build the "definitive" - i think i read?

hardest vanqs? it needs improvements if it can't h/h them...and requires another set of discorders if it can't be done with 1set then somethingneeds improving

my 2cents Coz hes using discord skill 2 and 3 are used to activate discord - its what a lot of ppl use in discord as its any profession.
Teknikaali is only sharing his build Rt/a as he feels its suited for vanq.
2 discordway sets could be used for speed - ive run 2 sets of sabway with my wife just for speed farming rep points and 2 sets of discordway is total destruction for most .
If picking holes then do what most others do and provide something usefull - like a skill change or something constructive.Doing that may relieve your bordedom.

my 2cents

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

25 Jan 2009 at 17:02 - 9

Almost forgot that sometimes, I'll throw in [[email protected]] instead of [spirit [email protected]] for armor it's ignoring damage and quickened recharge with AP.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

25 Jan 2009 at 17:04 - 10

This seems like nothing more or less than the usual discord-way build. There's nothing revolutionary, or even particularly good, about the Rit component of this build.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

25 Jan 2009 at 17:26 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

This seems like nothing more or less than the usual discord-way build. There's nothing revolutionary, or even particularly good, about the Rit component of this build. No but it might be a step in the right direction for someone who is just starting to vanq. on their rit and the only way you're going to find something revolutionary about rits would be if izzy buffs spawning which will probably the same time that GW3 comes out...

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 17:35 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

This seems like nothing more or less than the usual discord-way build. There's nothing revolutionary, or even particularly good, about the Rit component of this build. There doesn't have to be anything revolutionary, or even particularly good sides about the Rit component. For a fellow Ritualist out there vanquishing around with a build like [Chan-Resto Hybrid;OACjEyiM5MHXHn3EjNMncjzkL], I'd be more than delightful to introduce this non-revolutionary-non-particularly-good-build for making vanquishes more exciting and fast. It might not be anything of those you mentioned, but at least it is the best build fitted for vanquishing in my opinion. And you can even modify it as you like, like some have already mentioned something to add or remove

I rather have my vanquishes fast and easy more than long and painful ^^
Oh, and haven't seen this kind of Ritualist build being posted.. all of them have been SS or some kind of resto/channel hybrids. This is truly for PvE and it works

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

25 Jan 2009 at 17:44 - 13

Joseph Spiritmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

In the little house on the hill, Ascalon City, Presearing

25 Jan 2009 at 18:07 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vazze

I hate to say it but Rt is probably the worst among casters to run AP/PvE. Very few Rt skills can benefit from the decreased recharge, and most of them are support. Sadly, you listed none of them (to name a few: lamentation, wailing, warmonger). And there is a spirit spammer with it too.
But Rits are not the worst, there is no worst at anything, but imo, i have not seen an AP/PvE build like this one for Rit before, and i've been playing Rit for a long while. Just no one has tried it before.

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

25 Jan 2009 at 19:26 - 15

And if I'm not completely wrong.. doesn't Spawning Power (if one takes that build..) add to the Vanguard Assassin's health?

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

25 Jan 2009 at 19:49 - 16

I did not say it is bad (it is not), it is just worse than other casters. SP affecting EVAS HP? Why don't you check it? But I am not sure if it matters a lot, the sin usually survives until his combo is finished, after that he is just a minion.

mrbilzor

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

25 Jan 2009 at 19:52 - 17

Vanq?

[Assassin's Promise][Ebon Vanguard Assassin][Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support][You Move Like A Dwarf][Dash][Flesh Of My Flesh][Empty][Empty]

If it bleeds, 1 2 3

If it doesn't, 1 2 4

Let Dischordway work for you.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

25 Jan 2009 at 20:05 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teknikaali

And if I'm not completely wrong.. doesn't Spawning Power (if one takes that build..) add to the Vanguard Assassin's health? It's not considered a summoned creature so most likely not. But, GDW is a weapon spell.

Joseph Spiritmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

In the little house on the hill, Ascalon City, Presearing

25 Jan 2009 at 21:40 - 19

Actually, since it triggers Explosive and Spirits gift, it does =P

And tried the build worked well, i did use Discord, but if there was discord with it it, would've been very good

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

27 Jan 2009 at 13:30 - 20

shame it kinda feels like 4 imba skills, a res and 3 filler

kinda lacks terroir, but im sure its effective :x

Frozen Was Tara

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

Belgium

Mu Tants [MU]

Rt/

27 Jan 2009 at 15:26 - 21

They should make a "PvE-abuse" sub-forum, this doesn't have anything to do with Ritualists.

The "any-profession" build for Vanquishing...

Joseph Spiritmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

In the little house on the hill, Ascalon City, Presearing

27 Jan 2009 at 16:38 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Was Tara

They should make a "PvE-abuse" sub-forum, this doesn't have anything to do with Ritualists.

The "any-profession" build for Vanquishing...
Btw, your comment doesnt do much to talk about the build.

This can be considered a Rit build because it involves Rit Skills and is a variant of the 'any-proffession' build.

I've tried it. Works great.

Lhim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Rt/

27 Jan 2009 at 17:11 - 23

Actually it does, he's just saying that it doesn't have anything to do with Ritualists to which I agree. Someone mentioned earlier on page 1 that the Rit spells that would actually benefit from AP are not present and not suitable either as they are support. Might as well pick three random skills or just leave them empty. They don't add or hardly add to the build itself.

Teknikaali

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Rt/

27 Jan 2009 at 19:17 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank81

They don't add or hardly add to the build itself. [Spirit's Gift] [Explosive Growth] [Boon of Creation]
Attribute: Spawning Power.

This is the variation that gives it the Ritualist-touch and makes it one-mob-spiking+AoE+healing covering allies.

The first variation of the build is just to keep up the good vanquishing speed without relying too much to the 1-2sec enchants, which have to be recasted between the fights. Though I won't start calculating how much time you'd lose when casting those compared the non-AoE-dmg..

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

27 Jan 2009 at 20:18 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teknikaali View Post

[Spirit's Gift] [Explosive Growth] [Boon of Creation]
Attribute: Spawning Power.

This is the variation that gives it the Ritualist-touch and makes it one-mob-spiking+AoE+healing covering allies.

The first variation of the build is just to keep up the good vanquishing speed without relying too much to the 1-2sec enchants, which have to be recasted between the fights. Though I won't start calculating how much time you'd lose when casting those compared the non-AoE-dmg.. In my honest opinion, those skills cost to much energy to bother with when this build is centered on a single target spike. You have to consider that there are some areas with enchant hate.

Stick to stuff like Bloodsong/essence strike/lamenation or that Ebon sniper variation if you're vanquishing ascalon/charr homelands.

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

28 Jan 2009 at 18:10 - 26

actully i think u could afford that
boon of creation gives you 6 energy per spawn of assassin, and u gonna be spitting them out as fast as u can...

makes you more of a target marker/pathfinder tho

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

28 Jan 2009 at 19:03 - 27

actully i think u could afford that
boon of creation gives you 6 energy per spawn of assassin, and u gonna be spitting them out as fast as u can...

makes you more of a target marker/pathfinder tho

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

28 Jan 2009 at 21:13 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu666

actully i think u could afford that
boon of creation gives you 6 energy per spawn of assassin, and u gonna be spitting them out as fast as u can...

makes you more of a target marker/pathfinder tho Ok, it might help with energy mgmt then but you're sacrificing some of your ability to kill in time for AP to recharge your skills plus you'll be open to enchant stripping.

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall