Why does resigning in rollerbeetle races give dishonorable

Mekhet Ossa

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This is seriously RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up and needs to be fixed...

Darkobra

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It's technically PVP. The race takes around a minute or two to finish anyway. Why were you resigning in the first place?

Bug John

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Originally Posted by Darkobra View Post
It's technically PVP. The race takes around a minute or two to finish anyway. Why were you resigning in the first place?
rofl, stick to pve please

/resign was introduced as a way to end a PvP match without penalty

I hope they'll fix it for next rollerbeetle event

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If you didn't want to spend the 2 minutes it takes to finish a race, then why did you bother entering it?

I'm sure the devs have some very good reasons for putting in this feature. And I suspect thier reasons are connected with the reasons why you (or others) would resign during the race.

Vilaptca

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I thought they put it in rollerbeetle racing because people were using the sync enter thing to get all their friends in one race, and then resigning so that one friend won all the time.

Or they were paying people to resign so they could win.

Lykan

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There are lots of reasons to want to leave a RB race, one of them it being very annoying when you lag back on a corner or find yourself facing the wrong way do the a sudden ping spike.

The OP is right dishonourable was put in to stop you ruining the match for the other players.

Leaving a RB race does not hinder the other players in anyway, in fact it helps them. It should not give dishonour.

Kinlo

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Why enter when you will resign?

Btw,
Well I might sound a little bit (NOPE MORE!) like a nubie but what does RED ENGINE GO even mean? And who came up with it?

~Kinlo

Esprit

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I think when people find themselves in a bad race they would rather quit and not finish the race. So by /resign they can immediately get back and get a game to their liking.

The dishonor is to stop people from just picking games they are most likely going to do well in.

Bug John

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some people don't want to race if they can't go for a top 100 score

maybe it's not the way YOU want to play, but it's the way I do, at least you could respect others as long as it doesn't interfere with your own game experience


what's the problem with people resigning ?


and rofl @ syncing QQers, syncing has not prevented me from getting a mini beetle and still being in top100 atm

you're not out of top 100 because of sync joiners, it's because you're bad


btw, I received whispers from someone reporting top100 entries for offensive names... rofl

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Originally Posted by Kinlo View Post
Why enter when you will resign?

Btw,
Well I might sound a little bit (NOPE MORE!) like a nubie but what does RED ENGINE GO even mean? And who came up with it?

~Kinlo
Thats auto censoring, I guess

Lyynyyrd

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Originally Posted by Kinlo View Post
Why enter when you will resign?

Btw,
Well I might sound a little bit (NOPE MORE!) like a nubie but what does RED ENGINE GO even mean? And who came up with it?

~Kinlo
It's something completely random from a T.V. show (or was it a stand-up set?).

stretchs

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The Red Engine GORED is caused when someone decides to try to use censored words on the forums, the words are removed and in place goes Go Red Engine. As for the resign feature giving dishonorable, it seems a bit odd, BUT I know too often people were abusing the roller beetle races but fixing the races so it appears to be a way that ANET keeps things a bit more on the up and up

Snow Bunny

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The OP is right. Resigning should not give you dishonorable, just like it doesn't in RA.

Kerwyn Nasilan

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There are ways it can be abused.

There are no good reasons besides RollerBettle elitists for resign not to give dishonorable.

Last the designers put it there.

Therefore, it should stay.

Dishonorable for error out or nor loading in should be gotten rid of though.

Vilaptca

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Originally Posted by Bug John View Post
and rofl @ syncing QQers, syncing has not prevented me from getting a mini beetle and still being in top100 atm

you're not out of top 100 because of sync joiners, it's because you're bad
The only person I see here QQing is you.

He wanted to know why it gives dishonorable, I gave a reason why I thought they added it.

Learn to read.

Bug John

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca View Post
The only person I see here QQing is you.

He wanted to know why it gives dishonorable, I gave a reason why I thought they added it.

Learn to read.
oh yeah, mirror mirror, you're the QQing one


seriously...


your reason is a bad one, and I've explained why: syncing in rollerbeetle won't bring you anything


learn to argue

Yawgmoth

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I agree this is fking retarded. Resigning should work just like in all other types of PvP. Waste of time on a lagged/failed runs with horrible starts is so annoying I gave up the rollerbeetle racing this year entirely.

Shadowspawn X

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny View Post
The OP is right. Resigning should not give you dishonorable, just like it doesn't in RA.
The issue is if everyone resigned as soon as they felt discouraged the top times would skyrocket with some matches being over in 10 or 20 seconds. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why resign is not a option in a speed based match.

What Now

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Originally Posted by Bug John View Post
oh yeah, mirror mirror, you're the QQing one


seriously...


your reason is a bad one, and I've explained why: syncing in rollerbeetle won't bring you anything


learn to argue
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH, EVERYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT QQING IS IN FACT STROKING THEIR EPEEN AS THEY LOOK AT THE +1 POST.

You are QQing he is QQing I am getting +1 woot woot. Seriously though with less trolling.

I disagree with dishonorable being added to anything but leeching :S ITS MY AMERICAN RIGHT TO LEAVE A 4 MONK TEAM IN RA AND NOT WASTE MY TIME.

Ok. So. Don't fail.

What Now

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X View Post
The issue is if everyone resigned as soon as they felt discouraged the top times would skyrocket with some matches being over in 10 or 20 seconds. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why resign is not a option in a speed based match.
Yay, so when we have friends teaming up against us or are a mile behind quitting shouldn't be allowed. I agree.

I mean how fair is it on ANYONE if you leave early, it could massively influence the game because might skyrocket from a mile behind to beyond first place is 20 seconds see? So don't give up keep trying ^___^

Shadowspawn X

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Yay, so when we have friends teaming up against us or are a mile behind quitting shouldn't be allowed. I agree.

I mean how fair is it on ANYONE if you leave early, it could massively influence the game because might skyrocket from a mile behind to beyond first place is 20 seconds see? So don't give up keep trying ^___^
How dense are you? Look say three people get a horrible start and resign. Then one guy get a super rollerbeetle at the first power box and the other two competitors throw their hands up and resign. That means the race is over in like 20 seconds with an auto win for the last guy playing. If you can't see the potential problems here I can't help you.

HawkofStorms

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Rollerbettle should not have dishonor. There is no dishonor in leaving a one man team. You aren't hindering your teammates.

Furthermore, the most annoying part of this is when people slow load and get kicked out of rollerbettle before the race even starts. They then automatically get dishonor just because they have a slow connection. I used to -image and I'd still not load fast enough sometimes just because of the way my school's network worked.

I've complained about this pretty much every time rollerbettle comes around. A.net is not going to address it though. Dishonor to prevent syncers sorta makes sense. But dishonor for slowloading is completely ridiculous.

What Now

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X View Post
How dense are you? Look say three people get a horrible start and resign. Then one guy get a super rollerbeetle at the first power box and the other two competitors throw their hands up and resign. That means the race is over in like 20 seconds with an auto win for the last guy playing. If you can't see the potential problems here I can't help you.
Everyone knows they have a chance at winning right off the back, resigning is their choice all together and by doing so they void any right to victory. Sure they might of won and it didn't have to be this way.

At work. Child suddenly is rushed to the ER. You pick up your keys to leave.
Boss calls you. If you leave now you get fired, you MIGHT suddenly in a petty business close a 10 million case that is up for grabs for many high end companies as well.

Hitler more? Basically people have the freedom to do what they want and there's no sense forcing them when they know the chances against them and have better things to do and time they prefer not to waste.

Tons of people have won matches within the closing seconds despite losing the entire match just because they stuck in there long enough to overcome and they deserve to win for that. Those who rather not try deserve to lose. Simple as that.

If you can't see the potential backlash from people who don't play to WIN WIN WIN and wanna get out of a stressful and otherwise pointless match without being punished while leechers get off then I can't help you either. Good day.

What Now

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Rollerbettle should not have dishonor. There is no dishonor in leaving a one man team. You aren't hindering your teammates.

Furthermore, the most annoying part of this is when people slow load and get kicked out of rollerbettle before the race even starts. They then automatically get dishonor just because they have a slow connection. I used to -image and I'd still not load fast enough sometimes just because of the way my school's network worked.

I've complained about this pretty much every time rollerbettle comes around. A.net is not going to address it though. Dishonor to prevent syncers sorta makes sense. But dishonor for slowloading is completely ridiculous.
I hate people like you, I'm sorry but I do. I've monked several 6-7 minute RA matches to have some douche load in as the timer for the next match started, earning no right to the wins or anything yet continued to stay regardless.

If you know you're not up to or capable of actually competing please do everyone a favor and gtfo it's not fair on anyone to waste time.

Why are you trying to play when you wont get in for the match anyway? You deserve the dishonor, you are taking away a slot from someone capable of playing.

Shayne Hawke

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Removing dishonor from RBR would allow people to quickly ditch the run and go again if they think a record attempt is lost, or they don't think they'll finish. I would say then that it'd be bad to remove it, but ANet just recently (mostly) addressed the multiple-highscores-by-one-person issue to prevent the list from being owned by a much smaller group of 40-60 players.

I would like to see dishonor removed from RBR after resigning, because there's no reason any more to leave it in. It would also make sense, because team resignations don't give dishonor everywhere else, and there's no issue with sync enters if ANet's policy really is that sync entering isn't cheating.

Mekhet Ossa

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Since i originally named it 'Why the fack does it give dishonorable' it was more of a rant over the fact that it gave dishonorable, i'm completely aware of why it gives dishonorable, but it really shouldn't give dishonorable.. Did i mention it's lame that it gives dishonorable and this should be removed?

PS: Remove dishonorable from Rollerbeetle Racing.
PPS: Remove dishonorable from Rollerbeetle Racing.

Shayne Hawke

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Seeing how someone moved this thread to Q&A, it'd probably be better to make a new thread in Sardelac or something, if you really want more discussion on this.

HawkofStorms

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This should NOT be in Q&A. The last thread about this in Riverside was locked by Fenix.
For god sakes Mods. Clearly people are interested in discussing this. This is a legitamate discussion about an important game mechanic. Stop moving the thread.

Also @What Now, most people who have slow connections (like I used to) will load into a map in 5-10 seconds. However, every once in a while, by a random dc/lag spike, it will take 3-4 minutes. Slow loading is not a consistent problem. There is no reason for me to stop playing a game I like just because one game out of 50, I might slow load.

What Now

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This should NOT be in Q&A. The last thread about this in Riverside was locked by Fenix.
For god sakes Mods. Clearly people are interested in discussing this. This is a legitamate discussion about an important game mechanic. Stop moving the thread.

Also @What Now, most people who have slow connections (like I used to) will load into a map in 5-10 seconds. However, every once in a while, by a random dc/lag spike, it will take 3-4 minutes. Slow loading is not a consistent problem. There is no reason for me to stop playing a game I like just because one game out of 50, I might slow load.
I was talking about a sin who continued to stay on the team game after game after game in a row loading just in time for us to finish knowing he was unable to assist in the victories yet continuing to stay in and not leave before the timer.

We all have trouble one match or another. But going in knowing you are basically leeching because you wont be there in time or will lag back and forth for 10 minutes does need to be punished.

This is a dead game the mods here lock and monitor everything borderline worth a dime and if worse comes to worse they spin it off to their point of view in hopes of closing it. Dead forums suit a dead game :P I've seen several genuine topics locked because of one post later on the mod seemed to base their entire lock on.

Using powers just because you have them is cool, just as cool as going into matches just because you know you'll load slightly before the end for free potential Gamer points while you sip your tea.

Neo Nugget

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Well, when I was racing this weekend, it did seem pointless to have to stay in the match when you have no chance of getting any gamer points.

Fril Estelin

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''Moves thread''

Well, when I was racing this weekend, it did seem pointless to have to stay in the match when you have no chance of getting any gamer points.
How can you say that? I've won at least 3 games where I was a good last just after the start, and without an SRB. Even if it wasn't very tough to make top100, it wasn't too hard to be in the 3 winners of most games (except when you got hit/kd'd 5 times and others get SRBs while you don't, but it's the nature of the game!).

OT: Dishonor for slow-loading is ridiculous, Anet fix this for the Dragon Festival!!

Tullzinski

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Dishonorable for slow load or kicked out should be removed if possible.

Any other reason is for individual play style and dishonorable should remain. Seems to me there are MOSTLY two styles of players, ones who "RACE" and ones who "BATTLE"

Those who RACE want dishonorable to go away so they can exit failed runs to try for the mini, The mini is the MAIN reason they play, nothing wrong with this but, typically when Knock Down (KD) is used on them they start to cry in game and name call. They want KD removed and everyone else to play the game by their standards so they can get the mini. These players need ANET to make them a different rollerbeetle game that is "RACE" only. Maybe add some different skills in place of the knockdown/defensive skills, but I would recommend that those skills do not slow or impede them in any way or the QQ in game will continue.

Those who BATTLE enjoy the stragety of using Knock Downs and the other skills that enable them to place higher in the battle, thus getting more rewards. They stay in the Battle to the end and will use combinations of skills to pass a leader or leave a pack behind. If this results in a high score great, if not they still get 7 tokens/gamer points and 100 faction great again or other rewards for lower placing at a minimum. Participated in some awesome battles this weekend, multiple lead changes and outstanding combinations of skills that smoked people at the last second. Well timed uses harden shell or lunge. Very enjoyable.

Being a single PVP game this is one of the games where you do not have to rely others to play and enjoy PVP. It should remain in its current state. Remember that under the title ROLLERBEETLE RACING it states PVP BATTLE you also click a button that states "Enter Battle" Rename it to ROLLERBEETLE BATTLE.

A different type of Rollerbeetle Racing should be made for the Racers. This one can have a title of ROLLERBEETLE RACING with a PVP Racing subtitle, a Button that has Enter Race on it and no dishonorable on it.

Split the rewards also put the mini as the only reward for racing and Faction/Tokens on the Battle. Maybe add a nice emote for those who battle. Then people can choose what they want to play.

While I do enjoy making people cry about knockdown in the long run it would be nice to battle without the constant QQ in game from the Racers. I prefer to BATTLE!!!

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well, if the dishonorable feature were taken out, then the pros would resign alot more too, and it'd be that much harder for you to get a top 100 score. so really, does it make a difference?

fenix

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Doesn't need a second thread, as it didn't need a first one. There are valid reasons for it having dishonorable, it's just a shame lag makes it a bad system.

Closed.