"Pro" runners -_-

Ok guys,

are there such things as "Pro runners"? I run Droks, and i highly disagree there are. Many of my running friends disagree too. The best runners i know hate the term. Then someone was claiming to be "pro" running to grotto or whatever, and i started this discussion in Droks, and the people defended the runner claiming there are such things, rather lamely.

Also, claiming to be 100% at getting to your destination? Come on -_- some spawns = certain death, but anyway...

What are your thoughts?

I hope this is the right place to put this xD

Thanks

Pro Runners are pro, experienced runners, no?

It is just self-advertising.

If you are charging money to "run".. Then you are a pro runner.. Because you are being payed for a service. Meaning you profess in the area of running, and are sponsered to complete a task for someone.. Pro. Being an expert is entirely different. Saying 100% completion is just assinine... It doesn't work that way on 75% of common runs, or more. However, claiming that you have an extremely good completion record "near" 100% would insinuate that you are very good at what you do.

Pro runners are anyone charging money. A professional is someone payed to do something.

Expert runners are anyone amazing at running. An expert is someone who is better than most of the population at said task.

I agree with you completely, but it just attracts more attention from the lesser users that don't know much about the game.

Pre-NF I hated the term, because 100% success on a wammo just wasn't possible. At my best (and I never ran random groups, just friends) I could get through about 50% of the time without dying. Some spawns were just impossible. Then NF came out and it seemed like every Dervish or Assassin around could stroll through regardless of the spawn. Maybe those guys had problems too, I dunno. I sort of stopped caring about pve after Proph.

pro = professional

pro runner = guy who earns his money with running.

just sounds bit narcistic but no big deal....

I think there are people that a good at runs. Perhaps that qualifies them as good even pro.

I had a "pro" runner once...he didn't even make it halfway, died many times, then had to leave, then wanted payment...so yeah, if a person is going to advertise as pro, they'd better make sure they are one.

I love people who advertise(read: spam) using word pro. Makes it easier for me to ignore them.

If someone says Pro, I suggest not going with them, if they have a pretty message without Experienced, 100% success, never die, etc, I go with them.

Well i still dont really like the term, but meh. And ya 100% success on droks run is just impossible.

Well, i'm never gonna call myself pro, ever ever ever xD

Depends what you mean by pro. If its people who earn gold by running, then sure, loads of people do. If its "Skill" you are refering to, then probably not these days, power creep on skills has made it pretty easy for any dervish, assassin or monk variant (even on secondary, add the PvE skills too if you still struggle. When it was just Prophesies, thenyes, there were genuinely skilled runners. You have to know what you are doing to run Droks with no hex protection.

Well, past experiences tell me this:
Pro runner = Bad runner.

In my experience, and this goes for ALL things (Not just running, but stuff like UWSC pugs as well), the ones who advertise that they are "pro" are average at best. The best of the best generally don't use any buzz words ("pro," "exp, etc.), but the problem is neither do the people who are bad. So, by going with someone claiming to be "pro," you're getting a guaranteed okay service, but if you go with someone who doesn't claim anything, you run the risk of ending up with a totally inexperienced person who has no idea what they're doing.

The use of powerful descriptive words or phrases like "pro" "experienced" "100% success" more often than not means the runner is an idiot.I've used runners (rarely) and found the larger majority of those that spam "test running for tips" or whatever tend to be far better and more easy going.

Strange world?

0% financing! 90 days same as cash!

These things are posted for the sole purpose of attracting people who don't understand the truth behind them. It's essentially the same tactic for running/advertising in GW. "Pro runner, I'm going to get a great run!" is just a bad mentality.

"Pro" is thrown around a lot. There were many good runners back in the day. All the LBS guys were good, if they failed you had the choice of try again or 100% of your money back.

A decent runner is someone who has completed all campaigns and can run you anywhere. Running isn't that difficult as even I can do it, but knowing spawn locations etc seperates the decent runners from the average joe.

Have to disagree with the person who said runners were "stupid". Many of the old school people made millions from running, this was back in the days when not everyone had stacks upon stack of ecto, and well before free 'gifts' could make you an instant millionaire.

Well said Malice, and boy do I miss my old Prophecies running days.

I have to agree that most "pro" runners I have tried to get a run with rarely get past the first worm hill.

However that being said a blind drunk monkey can run droks using the D/A builds. I enjoy running on my monk, much more fun, always for free and only takes around 14 minutes on average.

Truly Pro runners are those whom you can pay up front and know they will get the job done. Runners of the Rose is probably the best example I can think of.

The use of the word "Pro" when advertising tells me 3 things:-

1) they are trying to convince people that they are not as bad as they inevitably are,

2) They are ones most likely to scam/grief/fail and accuse others of messing up the run (not in any particular order).

3) That they are the ones I avoid at all cost, even if I want to sit on my ass eating twinkies instead (see #9).

"pro" runners are people who confuse the words "expert" and "pro". the funny part is that this confusion turns their would-be-false advertisement into a statement of the fact that they expect to receive payment for their services. lul. the world is funny when you're not intent on finding reasons to hate people (see: everyone in this thread)

professional=work for money, so yes, if you ay them they are pro runners.
/endsarcasm.

i've gotten 17 mill+ experience from doing CoF runs, so i could say "pro runner"but i dont.

So, i think it just makes people sound really stupid and full of them selves

btw:
Pro Runners = [RR] Runners Of the Rose (formally the running rangers). they are frickin awesome.

And LBS. Someone had to say it.

Haha, I was just about to say LBS.

You don't need runners. Just buy your stuff in boreal station.

Granted saying "pro" and "100% success rate" is abused by some less experienced. But I sometimes say i'm a "pro" Yet, I havn't died in hundreds of runs through Kryta/Ascalon running noobs, and people from other campaigns. Yes mobs in either will be hard pressed to really kill, they still can especially in more western and southern areas of Kryta.


I find it strange that so many people distrust runners. Yes there are shady noob ones, but there are also people who scam runners, and flee at the end of runs.

I also find it strange that people around here think they should not pay runners, that it should be a free service, etc. Taxis charge. Bus, and train fare. Airline fare, too. Should they provide free service? Of course not. Running can be hard work, and should be paid equally.


What I cant stand, and this is coming from someone who does run folks. Is compition in the same district. If someone is advertising their services, and was in that district before you, go to another district. Don't come in, and under-charging the run to get more customers. That's just rude. Some of us do do this as a service, and would like to make money off the time invested as some of these runs are not easy, nor are some of these runs quick. There is time, and energy invested to learn routes, and spawn points/mob positions. Building builds that counter the mobs in the area.

Finally, I would like to ask those of you who don't like people who use words to describe their service: How else does one get noticed I dare ask? Building rep in a MMO as large as this one is difficult, and a long process. You have to run people that know people so to speak. But they are few, and far between. What seperates the good from the bad besides the obvious (dying in-route, getting lost, etc)? When either of those things happen to me, I drop charges. Period.

I think a lot of people have set a unrealistic bar of perfection with some people. Demand such a high level of service, it becomes hard for even some of the best runners to acheive. Yes I run, and have been ran. I have been ran by good players, and bad players. And sometimes the bad runners advertise the same as the good ones.

A pro runner (Such as myself) is someone who plays the ORIGINAL running class, and will reach the req'd destination without fail. Any of the Sin runners or Derv runners are just fail, there is no challenge in that, your almost invincable, where as a Warrior, you have to dodge and Kite and think about skill recharge and stacking.

The word "pro" is short for "profession." The only "professional" game players are those who get paid and make a living (in real life) doing it.

In GW, maybe the $100k tournament winners could be considered "pro." Other than them, I hate saying it, but the only real "pros" are the ones selling in-game gold for real money.

On a more archaic note, a profession used to refer to a higher calling requiring a higher education - i.e. the practice of medicine or law, or joining the clergy. From that perspective, there is no such thing as a "pro" video game player in any capacity.

IMHO anyone calling himself or herself a "pro" runner is just demonstrating ignorance of and disregard for what "pro" actually means.

Or maybe they are either 10 years old or not from uk or america. You know main language in poland, russia, italy, spain, germany is not english. SHOCKING!!!

2 of the 8 definitions for "professional" from dictionary.com

5. following as a business an occupation ordinarily engaged in as a pastime: a professional golfer

6. making a business or constant practice of something not properly to be regarded as a business: “A salesman,” he said, “is a professional optimist.”

read a dictionary

running from town to town these days isn't as hard. Vow of silent dervs, perma sins have made almost anyone pro as long as you know the direction and spawns.

Mission/dungeon runners are more skillful and can bring good cash. Especially running the more difficult areas.


The term pro to me would mean someone who does running all the time and can gaurantee success 99% of the time and has the confidence if they fail its free run.

xD

Wow thanks for all the replies.

In the end, people should have an idea of whether you're pro or not based on your performance. Meaning if you die 5 times and claim to be pro/expert/%100, a paper bag shall go over your head xD

And derv running is awesome >.>

But i have alot of respect for Warrior runners because yes it is very hard.

xD

I giggle when someone calls themselves a "pro." Maybe it's just my inability to take 99.9% of the gaming population seriously when I know they either talk like a 12 year old, or are actually 12 year olds. Not to mention the accompanying attitudes of the runners are usually childish, incompetent or rage-y. Often the best runners I've had are just humble, literate people.

"pro running 2 droks. im so 1337 ur not"
/dies sadly.

Ya i find that too. I find if you have any grammar sense you are one step of the competition, because it shows you're not completely stupid xD

The only time i'm not really literate is while i am actually running, and trying to type at the same time. I can't do it -_-

I think "experienced runner" would be more likely to get my attention. If I see pro I sort of laugh to myself.

Illfated is a pro mod (ducks and runs)

Malice is right. Back in the day you actually needed to be somewhat skilled to do runs, especially droks and the southern shiverpeaks. Now its a complete joke.

Running droks back in the day on a ranger was so much fun xD

And reading the definitions you posted = what I said: you are a "professional" video gamer if you make it your real life occupation or business. Thank you for agreeing with me.