Simple question, has this weekend been worth the /facepalms?
Yes, I know the weekend isn't over yet but honestly after seeing the level of play I feel compelled to ask this. I have done a fair share of AB's during the time that the double points have been offered and it has been /facepalm after /facepalm...
Playing on the Kruzick side I have seen countless different strategies, and pretty much every single one has failed. Looking at the map, the Kruzicks have been pushing the Luxons back but I have no idea how. I think out of the battles I have played only 1 or 2 of them have the Kruzick won. Many times they just run around mobbing and not capping. Or they run into the Luxon mob and still don't cap.
So I ask you, both Luxon and Kruzicks, has this weekend been worth the /facepalm IF you have participated? Or would you rather have the AB weekends extended to cover JQ and FA as well?
Alliance Battle Weekend
I pwnd U
{IceFire}
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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
strategy
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in my AB? LOL
AB is meant for killing nubs
lordheinous
I was doing a lot of ab yesterday night as well on kurz side, and we were doing quite well. I was part of a team that had a specific build to take and hold fort, and before match, we told rest of kurz to stay out of center and cap outside. We won most matches, the only times losing were the time when the rest of the kurz decided it was a good idea to come into fort despite what we said, and when the kurz just wouldn't cap. The vast majority of the /facepalm was on the luxon side though, as they generally just kept on rushing center in small groups, giving us free points and obviously not capping 
Deadshot Seven
Kruzick? Type Combo!
And, for some reason I haven't even felt like playing alliance battles this week...
But it seems like half of RA was there when I went for a single game yesterday.
And, for some reason I haven't even felt like playing alliance battles this week...
But it seems like half of RA was there when I went for a single game yesterday.
payne
"stop snaring me [water hexes] so i can kill you" - greatest quote i've heard all day, followed by:
"stop walking out my AoE i can't kill you otherwise NUB"
these amazing quotes (literally quoted word for word) make AB so much fun to me...definately worth those /facepalm moments IMO
"stop walking out my AoE i can't kill you otherwise NUB"
these amazing quotes (literally quoted word for word) make AB so much fun to me...definately worth those /facepalm moments IMO
own age myname
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Originally Posted by payne
"stop snaring me [water hexes] so i can kill you" - greatest quote i've heard all day, followed by:
"stop walking out my AoE i can't kill you otherwise NUB" these amazing quotes (literally quoted word for word) make AB so much fun to me...definately worth those /facepalm moments IMO |
Lol, I had a warrior chasing me saying "Stop running noob monk"
Made my day ^^
glacialphoenix
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Playing on the Kruzick side I have seen countless different strategies, and pretty much every single one has failed. Looking at the map, the Kruzicks have been pushing the Luxons back but I have no idea how. I think out of the battles I have played only 1 or 2 of them have the Kruzick won. Many times they just run around mobbing and not capping. Or they run into the Luxon mob and still don't cap. |
However, I also ran into a group that totally failed to hit the enemy monk despite multiple pings, and an ele with 0 energy storage and aura of the lich. So you got unlucky. :P
Loveless Rage
I wish on double ab weekends they would just keep the map as Saltspray, so its a balanced chance of getting faction for kurzicks and luxons.
Nirconus Otreum
What do you mean has it been worth the facepalms? It's always like this...
I pwnd U
I am just about to win my 3rd straight game, but that is because we have had good teams that have not mobbed. So yes, it is if you get lucky and get good teams or you will get horrid teams...
Puddin Cheeks
I have played 15 matches so far and have 13 victories for luxon, i do not have a clue why the kurz are still in the luxon area. yes it is funny when people repeatedly get kicked out of groups for crappy builds and 4 of those said people make there on group and try to mob up with allies and just cause losses. The kurz do this quite often from what I can tell. /facepalm goes to the hyper sins without a freakin clue that suicide into mobs.
Fril Estelin
I've played about 15 games yesterday night and this morning, half of them successful. I'd always start saying "cap clockwise", to make sure people see it. Then there's communication, stating when a gate is cleared in Kaanai and we can go into the base, or when I see a luxon mob, or to explain to my group what I'm doing. And regularly reminding people to cap. I'm also using the fact that I can solo-cap, thus earning a few valuable seconds to cap shrines faster (but it's a dangerous strategy as I can be easily killed).
I know that sins will always target me, and quite often do kill me (it's not difficult), except when I've got monk support, or with a War shrine. Hiding in the middle of a meteor shower does look special.
Then there's team balance, all the nice wins were made with "balanced" teams (2 melees, me as ele, monk). Two amazing games: one in Etnaran where the lead was constantly changing until we reached 400 points and won by 50; one where we were loosing by 50 and came back to win by 3.
Back to strategy: over the years, I had the feeling luxons had an edge over kurzicks, but I've noticed a few luxons trying to sabotage games (I suspect it works in both directions). AB is lightly organised PvP, there's so much you can do. Communicate, cap, give directions to your group (use the radar). That's IMHO another kind of challenge that the other forms of PvP (and definitely PvE!).
EDIT: I also quite often give support to NPCs (e.g. monks) when they're attacked. It's only when I feel I can't flee and can get precious seconds to make sure the balance of capped shrines stays at our advantage (always keep an eye on the score and the map, the strategy is sometimes to know where to run first).
I know that sins will always target me, and quite often do kill me (it's not difficult), except when I've got monk support, or with a War shrine. Hiding in the middle of a meteor shower does look special
.Then there's team balance, all the nice wins were made with "balanced" teams (2 melees, me as ele, monk). Two amazing games: one in Etnaran where the lead was constantly changing until we reached 400 points and won by 50; one where we were loosing by 50 and came back to win by 3.
Back to strategy: over the years, I had the feeling luxons had an edge over kurzicks, but I've noticed a few luxons trying to sabotage games (I suspect it works in both directions). AB is lightly organised PvP, there's so much you can do. Communicate, cap, give directions to your group (use the radar). That's IMHO another kind of challenge that the other forms of PvP (and definitely PvE!).
EDIT: I also quite often give support to NPCs (e.g. monks) when they're attacked. It's only when I feel I can't flee and can get precious seconds to make sure the balance of capped shrines stays at our advantage (always keep an eye on the score and the map, the strategy is sometimes to know where to run first).
Rhamia Darigaz
i would play AB but i despise the luxons so much i can't even step onto the same field of battle with them because i know the duels will not be honorable.
ZeAliX
Played probably around 20 matches or so today.. probably won about 80% of those at the luxon fort map (can't remember name, lol). All I can say you need a good team and a leader that knows how to lead or your team is doomed. vent/TS always helps..
Anyway.. pugs is crap.. pugged a few times today as well.. lost every single match due every teammember just go whichever way they want.. it's so LOL
Anyway.. pugs is crap.. pugged a few times today as well.. lost every single match due every teammember just go whichever way they want.. it's so LOL
Mr Kool Man
People. Though most of you are Kurzicks, keep in mind that Luxons do read these posts from time to time and some of the things you say are really hilarious. For example, "i would play AB but i despise the luxons so much i can't even step onto the same field of battle with them because i know the duels will not be honorable." THIS IS A GAME. Therefore, I hope that what you said was a huge exaggeration, or else that would mean something very bad about you and your life *cough *cough. That's all, enjoy the rest of the AB weekend, and I hope I will meet you on the same battlefield.
Breakfast Mc Rit
In my experience, Luxons dominate AB. They just seem much more organized, and when a weekend like this comes along I have the feeling that they turtle into their territory to score some easy faction.
Shayne Hawke
I haven't played AB yet this event, but I did almost scream hard enough to break my own face when three teams I tried to get into in my alliance decided it would be a good idea to swap our only healers for nukers.
Horace Slughorn
I've actually been having a lot of fun this weekend as a Kurzick in AB, but that's probably because my guildies finally convinced me to get on Vent 
I'd probably be doing better for Kurz faction in JQ, but I think the Balt faction in AB this weekend is making it worth the forray.
Hope others have a good time too
I'd probably be doing better for Kurz faction in JQ, but I think the Balt faction in AB this weekend is making it worth the forray.
Hope others have a good time too
Rosie Woogs
I've been having a great time in AB. A-net must have finally put in enough servers, because the timer rarely runs past 2-3 mins (thank you, thank you). As for wins, well you win some and you lose some. just gotta take it in stride, plus the extra points are great. I think I got about 10 z-keys just on Saturday.
i have been with some great pugs, and some scattered ones. But it's all in fun, and always a good experience (i.e learn from other's mistakes...ummm...learn from MY mistakes
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In AB...or any of the competitive missions... 'tis always a good day to die, die, die!! As someone said in a guide somewhere, just think of it as a way of coming back with full health and full energy
i have been with some great pugs, and some scattered ones. But it's all in fun, and always a good experience (i.e learn from other's mistakes...ummm...learn from MY mistakes
) In AB...or any of the competitive missions... 'tis always a good day to die, die, die!! As someone said in a guide somewhere, just think of it as a way of coming back with full health and full energy
RedNova88
Playing my Assassin, had two rangers chase me for damn near 2 minutes. Trying to chase me down when I had the the IMS buff from the ranger shrine. Retreated to my group for obvious reasons. Got called a coward for retreating to the group, people are so strange, it's as if they expect one to sit there and willingly die to them.
Also, something else that seems strange. Why is it that on any average day I can play AB and never lose a match? And yet as soon as we have a double faction weekend the Kurzicks lose lose lose >.<
Also, something else that seems strange. Why is it that on any average day I can play AB and never lose a match? And yet as soon as we have a double faction weekend the Kurzicks lose lose lose >.<
Copenhagen Master
I gave up playing AB level of play this is aweful now.. and frankly with this weekend the lag has been horrible wish they would do another double JQ/Aspenwood weekend soon less time and get just as much points if you win compared to winning on your own map in AB
glacialphoenix
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Also, am I the only one who actually likes playing on Kaanai as a Kurzick? The faction is terrific, especially if you have a good team who knows what it's doing. Kaanai winstreaks are awesome <3.
shadows of hob
Good luxons go AB, good kurzicks go JQ.
Who cares about AB anyway now JQ gives you triple the amount of faction.
Who cares about AB anyway now JQ gives you triple the amount of faction.
Nemesis of God
What's AB now? JQ and VQ give more faction even when it's doubled.
revelation
I've played about 20 games, won 15~ of them as Kurzick, it's a lot of fun
Very often I find Luxons mobbing, it depends on your luck and teammates..
Very often I find Luxons mobbing, it depends on your luck and teammates..
StormX
Uhh, has anyone else been experiencing terribad lag this weekend? I've been having bad lag since the CNY event and I'm wondering if its a problem with my ISP. It seems to be worse when I get in a game...i've gotten pings up to 37K in etnaran. Even though we were winning I eventually quit because it was getting unplayable.
Lykan
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All I can say you need a good team and a leader that knows how to lead or your team is doomed. vent/TS always helps..
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FoxBat
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Thats great in theory but the best team in the world wont help you in anyway if the other 8 players run around the map like headless chickens.
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glacialphoenix
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FengShuiDove
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Thats great in theory but the best team in the world wont help you in anyway if the other 8 players run around the map like headless chickens.
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It's fun to go with an organized, coordinated group, but sometimes it's just not enough.
lilDeath
'twas a good weekend.
We had quite a few wins on Etnaran and Canyon on Saturday, playing as Kurzick. I wasn't counting, but on Etnaran I would say we won more than we lost.
And it continued Sunday with the winning ways, won 4/5 matches on Salt Spray and when we moved to Grentz, it was a slaughter house. I lost a total of 2 matches on that map and I played close to 30 matches.
Moving to Ancestral we lost one out of the 10 I played there. We would have lost 2 but won the one match by 10 or so when we came from behind.
Overall very good weekend AB-wise and Balthazar / Kurzick Faction. I donated about 250k faction over this weekend.
EDIT: On the lag - I found EU to be less laggy than AM, very much so. I got spikes of 24k pings at times on AM.
We had quite a few wins on Etnaran and Canyon on Saturday, playing as Kurzick. I wasn't counting, but on Etnaran I would say we won more than we lost.
And it continued Sunday with the winning ways, won 4/5 matches on Salt Spray and when we moved to Grentz, it was a slaughter house. I lost a total of 2 matches on that map and I played close to 30 matches.
Moving to Ancestral we lost one out of the 10 I played there. We would have lost 2 but won the one match by 10 or so when we came from behind.
Overall very good weekend AB-wise and Balthazar / Kurzick Faction. I donated about 250k faction over this weekend.
EDIT: On the lag - I found EU to be less laggy than AM, very much so. I got spikes of 24k pings at times on AM.
Coraline Jones
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Had one of these this weekend. We were Kurzick playing at Luxon defense and my guild team of 4 held off two whole groups... what's more we were killing a large number of them and before we got swamped had it to 5v4 (or less) at one point. What did the other 2/3 of the Kurzick side do? Apparently fornicated with themselves, because they capped nothing and obviously killed nothing.
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Right now, you can pretty much spam the Enter Battle button and contribute nothing, because the punishment for playing stupidly is whatever the time you waste to find other players to fill up your PUG (as probably half or more or your team will rage-quit). And during double AB weekend, you will have zero problems finding plenty of incompetant people that don't care about what party they join, and you can just keep going.
If ArenaNet wants to really teach people how to play, then they need to have a different kind of Faction Weekend where only the NPCs on AB are worth double (or heck, triple) Balthazar and Allegiance Faction and making only winning double the Faction reward. At least this way people will be slightly motivated to play with AB fundamentals like capping the shrines, avoiding pointless (or unwinnable) fights, and trying to win.
glacialphoenix
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Fay Vert
You all make it sound as if winning/losing is somehow important. Did any of you stop to think for just one second that all those bad players running around might actually be having fun?
Heck, if it bothers you that much, just do something else that weekend, and play AB with the rest of the leet players the other 51 weeks! Its not as if AB is any good for faction, even if you win all your battles on double faction weekend.
Heck, if it bothers you that much, just do something else that weekend, and play AB with the rest of the leet players the other 51 weeks! Its not as if AB is any good for faction, even if you win all your battles on double faction weekend.
Lishy
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Nubz, meet [earthen shackles] and [ray of judgment]!
scoopins
If you just randomly add people to your groups, you're going to get shit people.
If you look at who you invite, there's usually enough good players to form a good team.
One good team that actually wipes/splits groups and defends shrines instead of mindlessly capping will carry.
If you look at who you invite, there's usually enough good players to form a good team.
One good team that actually wipes/splits groups and defends shrines instead of mindlessly capping will carry.
Coraline Jones
This has got to be the first thread that I've ever seen on Guild Wars Guru where people are actually defending the PUG. Every time I see a thread about some bad experience in PvP or PvE--regardless of what it is--then the knee-jerk reaction is: You should have gone with some guildmates because PUGs suck.
Now this thread is suggesting that somehow the average PUG is just a huge pool of undiscovered talent. Like professional gamers habitually lurk in District 1 when they are bored and wait to be picked by a random group.
Now this thread is suggesting that somehow the average PUG is just a huge pool of undiscovered talent. Like professional gamers habitually lurk in District 1 when they are bored and wait to be picked by a random group.
cebalrai
The most hilarious thing is when people claim that "Luxons always mob" or "Lux are more organized"... Huh? Kurz and lux are essentially random people sampled from the GW general population. Both groups are identical. Sometimes they mob, sometimes they cap, sometimes they're kinda organized... But most of the time members from both groups run around making poor choices regarding when to fight and when to cap.
I pwnd U
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This has got to be the first thread that I've ever seen on Guild Wars Guru where people are actually defending the PUG. Every time I see a thread about some bad experience in PvP or PvE--regardless of what it is--then the knee-jerk reaction is: You should have gone with some guildmates because PUGs suck.
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The most hilarious thing is when people claim that "Luxons always mob" or "Lux are more organized"... Huh? Kurz and lux are essentially random people sampled from the GW general population. Both groups are identical. Sometimes they mob, sometimes they cap, sometimes they're kinda organized... But most of the time members from both groups run around making poor choices regarding when to fight and when to cap.
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Neez
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Also, am I the only one who actually likes playing on Kaanai as a Kurzick? The faction is terrific, especially if you have a good team who knows what it's doing. Kaanai winstreaks are awesome <3.
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