Lately there have been many posts about GW2 and how little we actually know about it. There seem to be 2 schools of thought:
1. We would like some proof of the game(i.e., screen shots, etc.)
2. We can wait until ANET is ready to announce something.
Those 2 options may not totally be accurate, but for arguments sake I will go with them.
My question is: Is it age or personality that dictates one of the two above options? I used age instead of maturity because I feel maturity has nothing to do with age, it is a state of mind. My own personal view is that to the younger players, 5 years can seem like an eternity and when you get to be my age you wish it were. An example 20/5=4 or 1/4 of your life, 60/5=12 or 1/12 of your life. If you feel there are any other reasons feel free to bring them up.
After voting, post what your view on GW2 is, and why you chose the poll option that you chose.
A question to ponder, Age or personality?
Rocky Raccoon
Tullzinski
Being in the older (45 tomorrow) category this perhaps drives me to #2 we can wait. Unfortunately I may be dead before it comes out 
. In that case my son will have to carry on for me!
. In that case my son will have to carry on for me!
Rocky Raccoon
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Being in the older (45 tomorrow) category this perhaps drives me to #2 we can wait. Unfortunately I may be dead before it comes out
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Vazze
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Being in the older (45 tomorrow) category this perhaps drives me to #2 we can wait. Unfortunately I may be dead before it comes out
. In that case my son will have to carry on for me! |
Karis Sival
Neither option matter. We will wait until Anet wants us to know anything... so being impatient about it is just dumb and a waste of time... option 2 resigning ourselves to wait... is not an option at all. It's what we must do.
Therefore I'm with Improvavel...
It is a stupid question.
Therefore I'm with Improvavel...
It is a stupid question.
Cacheelma
I'm glad you didn't ask about race or sexual orientation.
But this is still a kind of stereotypic discrimination isn't it?
But this is still a kind of stereotypic discrimination isn't it?
lilraceangel3
Would I love GW2 this year? yes. Can I wait? of course. I think maturity has alot to do with people looking for the instant gratification of proof. (I.E. screenies, dev updates, ect.)
GrendelScout1
I don't think either age or personality have anything to do with the 2 schools of thought you proposed. It more or less boils down to the issue of community relations happening at all, much less than set by any arbitrary timeframe.
More often than not, any interaction with the CR (on the forums, at least) seem to have been mostly reactionary. Regina ususally is called up to respond to some allegation or some other negative issue, and leaves when she issues her statement (whether or not the issue is addressed adequately is neither here nor there for the sake of this argument). Regardless of whether she's twittering away, or reading walls of text on the wikitalk then archiving them, or ignoring the fourms (arguably the most efficient way to reach the most people at once) (notice I didn't necessarily say absolute bestest or most pleasant, but I digress), I would have to say that there is marginal interaction at best with respect to almost any topic, GW2 or otherwise.
Granted, I don't expect for her to have to handle every single individual's personal issue or complaint or grief. Likewise I don't expect for her to have to tolerate trolls and flamers. However, I would expect an attempt to make a little bit more of a connection with the community, because right now, cynicism is rampant and overall, I'd say the community isn't very healthy in that regard. I suppose this is to be a bit expected, with a game that's being all but neglected (understandably to work on GW2, but still...), it would follow that the community would be left to atrophy as well.
To address the age vs personality question, like I said, I don't think necessarily that either play a factor in expecting community relations to happen without insistent prodding or goading. Unfortunately, it seems like this is the case most of the time, and more often than not, there is a general cloud of negativity associated with most of these interactions. Hopefully this won't always be the case, but I fear that until we get closer to when GW2 news becomes more regularly visible, because let's face it, GW1 will be rotting on the vine for next few years, the general tone will be one of dysphoria and cynicism (at least on the forums /rolleyes).
On a positive note, bunnies are cute!
More often than not, any interaction with the CR (on the forums, at least) seem to have been mostly reactionary. Regina ususally is called up to respond to some allegation or some other negative issue, and leaves when she issues her statement (whether or not the issue is addressed adequately is neither here nor there for the sake of this argument). Regardless of whether she's twittering away, or reading walls of text on the wikitalk then archiving them, or ignoring the fourms (arguably the most efficient way to reach the most people at once) (notice I didn't necessarily say absolute bestest or most pleasant, but I digress), I would have to say that there is marginal interaction at best with respect to almost any topic, GW2 or otherwise.
Granted, I don't expect for her to have to handle every single individual's personal issue or complaint or grief. Likewise I don't expect for her to have to tolerate trolls and flamers. However, I would expect an attempt to make a little bit more of a connection with the community, because right now, cynicism is rampant and overall, I'd say the community isn't very healthy in that regard. I suppose this is to be a bit expected, with a game that's being all but neglected (understandably to work on GW2, but still...), it would follow that the community would be left to atrophy as well.
To address the age vs personality question, like I said, I don't think necessarily that either play a factor in expecting community relations to happen without insistent prodding or goading. Unfortunately, it seems like this is the case most of the time, and more often than not, there is a general cloud of negativity associated with most of these interactions. Hopefully this won't always be the case, but I fear that until we get closer to when GW2 news becomes more regularly visible, because let's face it, GW1 will be rotting on the vine for next few years, the general tone will be one of dysphoria and cynicism (at least on the forums /rolleyes).
On a positive note, bunnies are cute!
Askani
Patience is a personality trait. A mature person is more likely to be more patient but that is not necessarily true.
Also you should have use maturity instead of age for exactly the reason you stated: age has nothing to do with maturity.
Also you should have use maturity instead of age for exactly the reason you stated: age has nothing to do with maturity.
Rocky Raccoon
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Calista Blackblood
It's really nothing to do with age or maturity(assumed to be hand in hand).People are needy,they feel superior to others and think (wrongly)that they deserve anything they ask for.How many threads appear on Guru where the OP is asking for GW2 info/screenshots/teasers? And how many times is there nothing?
The answer is quite a few,an almost constant stream of new threads and it isn't going to change.A-Net is under no contracted or financial obligation to provide snippets of anything on this forum or any other,and their staff get constantly barraged with the same questions worded different.
People need to remember that us as a playerbase do not tell them what to do,we do not demand info from them when we want it.They give us what they want to,when they want and no amount of reservoir filling with QQing will change that..
We paid for the right to play their game under their control...Not the other way round... (Simple comparison)You don't pay for something like satellite/cable tv then tell the broadcaster to broadcast what you want and when..
The answer is quite a few,an almost constant stream of new threads and it isn't going to change.A-Net is under no contracted or financial obligation to provide snippets of anything on this forum or any other,and their staff get constantly barraged with the same questions worded different.
People need to remember that us as a playerbase do not tell them what to do,we do not demand info from them when we want it.They give us what they want to,when they want and no amount of reservoir filling with QQing will change that..
We paid for the right to play their game under their control...Not the other way round... (Simple comparison)You don't pay for something like satellite/cable tv then tell the broadcaster to broadcast what you want and when..
Inde
I have feebly attempted to save this thread but Risky, I don't know if that's possible. It is kind of an odd question with no real basis other then your argument of "well at 15, 5 years is 1/3 of your life so at 50 if it's only 1/10 of your life then it must not feel as long of a wait". The older I get, the longer the years feel to me, so this is all perception.
Age threads also never turn out well and quickly derail. So while I'll wait and see where it goes I'm not sure if it can remain on course.
Age threads also never turn out well and quickly derail. So while I'll wait and see where it goes I'm not sure if it can remain on course.
Kook~NBK~
I think it has more to do with personality than age. I probably fit into the catergory of "Older Player" and here's my view:
1. I know many people in my age group who are patient and aren't worried about when "the next big thing" is coming. They're too busy enjoying what they've got and make the most of it.
2. I also know several people in my age group that are never satisfied with what they've got. They've either got a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" mentality or their just selfish, demanding, and have an over-blown sense of entitlement.
3. Perception of others' views also plays a part in it. It's very easy to mis-interpret someone's comments on these forums based soley one what they've typed in their posts. Sarcasm is VERY hard to detect in forums. Even when one includes [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] "tags" it doesn't always work. I've also noticed that many times people misconstrue commentary for criticism. Sometimes, even just stating facts gets construed as QQing.
4. One other factor in the creation of GW2 threads - forum newbies (NOT n00bs!!!) who come here looking for a way to get "in the loop" about all sorts of GW related stuff. They're asking about GW2 because they honestly don't know that there's nothing to know! LOL
1. I know many people in my age group who are patient and aren't worried about when "the next big thing" is coming. They're too busy enjoying what they've got and make the most of it.
2. I also know several people in my age group that are never satisfied with what they've got. They've either got a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" mentality or their just selfish, demanding, and have an over-blown sense of entitlement.
3. Perception of others' views also plays a part in it. It's very easy to mis-interpret someone's comments on these forums based soley one what they've typed in their posts. Sarcasm is VERY hard to detect in forums. Even when one includes [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] "tags" it doesn't always work. I've also noticed that many times people misconstrue commentary for criticism. Sometimes, even just stating facts gets construed as QQing.
4. One other factor in the creation of GW2 threads - forum newbies (NOT n00bs!!!) who come here looking for a way to get "in the loop" about all sorts of GW related stuff. They're asking about GW2 because they honestly don't know that there's nothing to know! LOL
Painbringer
# 2 I can wait GW is paid for so its saving me money and keeping me occupied at the same time.
I am old as dirt but not yet 40
(Yes i played Pong and liked it)
I am old as dirt but not yet 40
(Yes i played Pong and liked it)
Kattar
I think there are other factors to consider other than just age and personality. It's a combination of all those.
For instance: I don't really play GW anymore. I'm college aged. I have a full time job. I have other hobbies that take up more of my attention than gaming. From that aspect, I should really care if GW2 ever comes out.
But I moderate this forum, so I'm active almost everyday. I see all the "When's GW2" threads, not to mention all the "I hate ANet for _____" threads, and all the flaming and ranting attached. Being confronted with that day in, day out makes me a little critical towards ANet and how they've handled GW2 and this community. Even the most reasonable person could get a little annoyed after seeing this and being a part of it for so long.
I would lean towards personality, with experience with this game/community a strong second rather than age.
For instance: I don't really play GW anymore. I'm college aged. I have a full time job. I have other hobbies that take up more of my attention than gaming. From that aspect, I should really care if GW2 ever comes out.
But I moderate this forum, so I'm active almost everyday. I see all the "When's GW2" threads, not to mention all the "I hate ANet for _____" threads, and all the flaming and ranting attached. Being confronted with that day in, day out makes me a little critical towards ANet and how they've handled GW2 and this community. Even the most reasonable person could get a little annoyed after seeing this and being a part of it for so long.
I would lean towards personality, with experience with this game/community a strong second rather than age.
SkekSister
Personality in my opinion. At 36 I seem to have a great deal more patience than many older people I know, mostly thanks to my mother.
Also patience and wisdom are things you ,must choose to learn, and in my small experience, are generally quite tough to do so. Ego can be a real roadblock here.
Also patience and wisdom are things you ,must choose to learn, and in my small experience, are generally quite tough to do so. Ego can be a real roadblock here.
Shalien
since age is definite and personality is subjective (psychology even being a pseudoscience), i would have to say it's personality. Because i'm 23 and i have no problem waiting.
slowerpoke
im not sure if theres a link between age and patience, but i guess its an easy conclusion to make
tbh i know they are probably working on gw2 but im using the old reverse psych trick by saying it doesnt exist so they actually show something
tbh i know they are probably working on gw2 but im using the old reverse psych trick by saying it doesnt exist so they actually show something
Tharg
I am 46 years young and I love GW as it is. I am afraid that GW-2 will be a disappointment... I have seen it with Far Cry -> Far Cry 2 and Crysis and many other sequals.
So I actually don't need a fancy GW-2 with all kind of new stuff and persistant worlds etc. - just give me regular cool expansions for GW-1 based on the same GW engine that I can get to with my own characters and I'd be really happy. I don't even need new skills, there are enough skills already.
Now, is being afraid of change age related - I don't know... What do you think?
So I actually don't need a fancy GW-2 with all kind of new stuff and persistant worlds etc. - just give me regular cool expansions for GW-1 based on the same GW engine that I can get to with my own characters and I'd be really happy. I don't even need new skills, there are enough skills already.
Now, is being afraid of change age related - I don't know... What do you think?
Onion Guy
I'm 18. I would like to see something about gw2 but I can wait for it to come out. All i really want to know is that they are going to finish gw2 without rushing so that it is good.. and that they are actually working on it at all. But till then i got D3 and titles to work on.
Hybrid Meteroa
I'm 17. Bought Guild Wars when I was 13. I have no problems waiting for GW2, but that's probably because I'm still having tons of fun with GW1, and I can certainly occupy myself with other games in the process.
I can wait, but that's not saying I wouldn't mind finding out that GW2 is comming out this year!
I can wait, but that's not saying I wouldn't mind finding out that GW2 is comming out this year!
Greedy Gus
I think you've incorrectly identified the two different schools of thought. From my standpoint, the main differences emerging between two 'sides' in those threads have to do more with having faith vs. using critical thinking and deduction. Those asking for proof that GW2 is in development aren't necessarily any more patient or impatient than those who trust in ANet (re-read through the responses, personal patience falls all along the spectrum regardless of opinion), they are simply are looking for a different type of reassurance and are drawing from historical evidence from GW & other example games for building a context. The PR word from a few individuals in ANet means very little to someone who doesn't have faith and is trying to deduce their best conclusion logically.
Having faith in ANet is not a bad thing, and is not mutually exclusive with being able to think critically; the faithful fans just choose not to do so.
Having faith in ANet is not a bad thing, and is not mutually exclusive with being able to think critically; the faithful fans just choose not to do so.
Quaker
I think it's a personality thing, not an age thing. Some "personalities" seem to think that they are entitled to all sorts of things. In this case they think they are entitled to info about GW2 as if ANet has some inherent responsibility to keep them informed of every thing ANet does.
Some other personalities are more realistic and realize that there are many reasons why ANet may not want/need/care to give out any information about anything.
Some of us whine and complain, some of us go play WoW.
Some other personalities are more realistic and realize that there are many reasons why ANet may not want/need/care to give out any information about anything.
Some of us whine and complain, some of us go play WoW.
Rocky Raccoon
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I think it's a personality thing, not an age thing. Some "personalities" seem to think that they are entitled to all sorts of things. In this case they think they are entitled to info about GW2 as if ANet has some inherent responsibility to keep them informed of every thing ANet does.
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I am too cheap for WOW, so I try Perfect World from time to time.
Sir Skullcrasher
I'm 24 and I don't mind on waiting for GW2.
Tullzinski
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Learned over time and playing games since Pong that you can usually occupy your time with other games in the interim. Filled in the time between waiting for Leisure Suit Larry games playing Kings/Police/Space Quest.
Crap is that the Grim Reaper behind me!!!!!
Junato
Wait a minute! How old is guild wars?!?! and how come I did not hear about it when I was playing runescape when I was 13 (I am twenty now)? I haven't seen any advertisements for guild wars.
Now that gets me thinking how I got into the game.. I only been playing the game for a year now.
Now that gets me thinking how I got into the game.. I only been playing the game for a year now.
Legendm
I think it has to do with how much of a life you have. Apparently those who think their entitled to info by Anet can't wait two years and will not have anything to do between now and then.
I'm 16 and I can certainly wait.
I'm 16 and I can certainly wait.
Lyynyyrd
I believe this question is moot because GW2 is vaporware. It's like wasting time thinking about something else that doesn't exist (infinity, God, etc.)
own age myname
I'm 15, started Guild Wars when I was 13. I'm just worried in 2-3years I won't care about games anymore.
But I can wait as long as games interest me.
But I can wait as long as games interest me.
Meat Axe
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I think you've incorrectly identified the two different schools of thought. From my standpoint, the main differences emerging between two 'sides' in those threads have to do more with having faith vs. using critical thinking and deduction. Those asking for proof that GW2 is in development aren't necessarily any more patient or impatient than those who trust in ANet (re-read through the responses, personal patience falls all along the spectrum regardless of opinion), they are simply are looking for a different type of reassurance and are drawing from historical evidence from GW & other example games for building a context. The PR word from a few individuals in ANet means very little to someone who doesn't have faith and is trying to deduce their best conclusion logically.
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Logically, the game is being developed, and does exist. If GW2 isn't in development, then what is Anet doing with their time? They're not making much money from their old games anymore (though still a bit), and in fact, having GW1 constantly running is costing them more money with barely any additional revenue flowing in. Plus there's the whole reputation thing to consider. Word of mouth is a powerful thing. Anet is already taking a lot of flak for apparently taking too long to release GW2 (or at least information about it). Just imagine what would happen if people found out GW2 was a hoax.
So yeah, not critical thinking. The closest it comes is the argument about whether GW2 is technically vaporware. Remember, cynicism and impatience don't necessarily lead to logical thought process. In fact, they usually lead to the opposite.
Anyway, I don't think age has anything to do with impatience over GW2. I'm 21 in a month, and I have no problem waiting. And, in fact, since I get barely any enjoyment out of games, movies, and TV ever since people became too afraid to release something original, I have every reason to be impatient for GW2 (Anet released a good game before. Although there is a possibility of GW2 being terrible, they have the benefit of the doubt from me at the moment). But having a polished game is more important to me.
Personality is certainly a factor. If you're impatient because that's just the kind of person you are, then of course you're going to want GW2 right now. But it's not the only factor. The most patient man in the world can possibly become impatient if he has nothing else to do. The problem gets amplified when you factor in that to some people, GW is their favourite game, and they can't get enough of it.
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enter_the_zone
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It's really nothing to do with age or maturity(assumed to be hand in hand).People are needy,they feel superior to others and think (wrongly)that they deserve anything they ask for.How many threads appear on Guru where the OP is asking for GW2 info/screenshots/teasers? And how many times is there nothing?
The answer is quite a few,an almost constant stream of new threads and it isn't going to change.A-Net is under no contracted or financial obligation to provide snippets of anything on this forum or any other,and their staff get constantly barraged with the same questions worded different. People need to remember that us as a playerbase do not tell them what to do,we do not demand info from them when we want it.They give us what they want to,when they want and no amount of reservoir filling with QQing will change that.. We paid for the right to play their game under their control...Not the other way round... (Simple comparison)You don't pay for something like satellite/cable tv then tell the broadcaster to broadcast what you want and when.. |
pamelf
I'm 23 and in the #1 camp...mainly because I'd like to play this game while I'm under 30 and still a student who actually has TIME to play. By 2011 I will have full-time employment and a lot less leisure time to actually enjoy playing any kind of game. I have one more year of extensive free time left, and the original beta of GW2 fit in perfectly with that time frame. I think I will always play games, but my years of enjoying them quite as much as I do now are slowly coming to an end...
iVendetta
The scale leans more on your personality.
fenix
I voted that my personality dictates my view, which is that I would like some information. This is because I would rather know what the game is like/going to be like so that I can either wait, or move on to another game. I feel that this is a personality thing, because I am much like that with other aspects of my life.
Greedy Gus
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I actually wouldn't say that the people constantly demanding information about GW2 are using critical or logical thinking. In fact, it's the exact opposite. People who demand information usually either just want it because they're impatient, or think that without said information the game must not exist.
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The other side, who I see as the faithful, take ANet at their word. If they feel threatened by those who don't, they tend to attack them as being impatient (see this thread: the OP is 'pondering' whether his forum opponents are children or merely childish), not dealing with the actual reason that people are asking for ANet to prove them wrong. They don't (necessarily) lack patience, they lack faith in companies and public relations statements.
Gigashadow
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Short of that, they could stop baiting current fans by sending people out to talk up how hard they're working on the game and how amazingly great its going to be. Essentially, the 'put up or shut up' / 'money where your mouth is' response.
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edit: When people are posting "No info for two years! I don't think GW2 is actually being developed at all", they are damned if they answer the question ("Tell us more than just the generic PR line that you are still working on it and it will be great when it comes out") and damned if they stay silent ("They wouldn't even respond, it's obviously not even being developed! Vaporware").
Cale Roughstar
I'm 18. Ill be however old I will be when GW2 comes out. I will be that old that year even if GW2 hasn't come out. w/e.
GW2 will come out when it comes out, we can be certain of that. Yes it would be nice to get some info about it here and there, but if there isn't, well, the least we can do is stop whining. I'm in no hurry for GW2, still lots for me to do in game.
GW2 will come out when it comes out, we can be certain of that. Yes it would be nice to get some info about it here and there, but if there isn't, well, the least we can do is stop whining. I'm in no hurry for GW2, still lots for me to do in game.
GrendelScout1
Hmmm. I didn't think this thread would go in this direction. Originally, the OP was asking a question based on his interpretations and assumptions of how he thinks people's perspectives are dictated, with respect to the availablitity of GW2 information. He then concluded with “If you feel there are any other reasons feel free to bring them up.” Now we have a poll, and the only polling options are age, personality, both, or neither? What are we trying to determine here again?
Is this the real question: Is it age or personality that dictates your view on GW2? And age and personality are the only things that can influence this view? Really? Or are we trying to deduce what dictates our view on anything? Or, as I have my underlying suspicions, are we not attempting some sort of ruse here with some seemingly deeper, more nefarious implications?
I share this sentiment, for the most part. Altho, Gus refers to these people as the faithful, I like to call them the kool-aid drinkers and sycophants. Regardless, discussion with these people rarely lead anywhere productive, because any criticism, valid or not, is viewed as an attack on their whole moral fiber and then all sorts of unnecessary drama ensues. Trying to have a civil discussion with ones who immediately label you as an enemy the moment you have a dissenting opinion is an exercise in futility. It's a shame really, because a lot of times, the true believers will often have good points or valuable insight. However, the “you are either with me, or you're against me” position is counterproductive, because the discussion ends at that point and it usually devolves into a “ur mom” “no ur mom” match typically.
For the record, I have faith that Anet is working on and eventually will release GW2 sometime down the road. While I'd like to see something every now and again about their progress on it, I don't really expect too much, if anything. I do feel though that their being tight lipped on the matter is doing harm in ways that they aren't foreseeing, or choosing to ignore perhaps, and in the long run, it will result in some negative impacts which could have been avoided.
Anyways, the poll is flawed. Age and personality aren't mutually exclusive, and there are quite a few more variables that shape anyone's view, towards GW2 or towards anything for that matter.
Is this the real question: Is it age or personality that dictates your view on GW2? And age and personality are the only things that can influence this view? Really? Or are we trying to deduce what dictates our view on anything? Or, as I have my underlying suspicions, are we not attempting some sort of ruse here with some seemingly deeper, more nefarious implications?
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Fair enough, although from what I've seen in the last 3 main threads about this (vaporware, gw2 coming in '10/11, mike o'brian), the majority of people who this guy was forum warrioring against were not simply yipping impatiently that they wanted information/screenshots. They were logically deducing that GW2 has become vaporware and saying that Anet could squelch this fact immediately and quell some fears by switching their PR strategy to involve some information flow. Short of that, they could stop baiting current fans by sending people out to talk up how hard they're working on the game and how amazingly great its going to be. Essentially, the 'put up or shut up' / 'money where your mouth is' response.
The other side, who I see as the faithful, take ANet at their word. If they feel threatened by those who don't, they tend to attack them as being impatient (see this thread: the OP is 'pondering' whether his forum opponents are children or merely childish), not dealing with the actual reason that people are asking for ANet to prove them wrong. They don't (necessarily) lack patience, they lack faith in companies and public relations statements. |
For the record, I have faith
that Anet is working on and eventually will release GW2 sometime down the road. While I'd like to see something every now and again about their progress on it, I don't really expect too much, if anything. I do feel though that their being tight lipped on the matter is doing harm in ways that they aren't foreseeing, or choosing to ignore perhaps, and in the long run, it will result in some negative impacts which could have been avoided. Anyways, the poll is flawed. Age and personality aren't mutually exclusive, and there are quite a few more variables that shape anyone's view, towards GW2 or towards anything for that matter.
Rocky Raccoon
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He then concluded with “If you feel there are any other reasons feel free to bring them up.” Now we have a poll, and the only polling options are age, personality, both, or neither? What are we trying to determine here again?
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