Recently I had an idea to make trading less of a hassle. Basically, sometimes you face a dilemma when you need to sell/buy something. Do I trade, or do I do something more worth the time? Well, I came up with a way to do both, and got it semi-working as well.
What I did was create a live stream of Kamadan Party Search in order to show a large amount of trades. They way I look at is that you could use those 30 seconds between arena battles, or just a quick peek between mobs in PvE to see what is being bought and sold in Kamadan.
I just wanted to get some more opinions on this idea, and see what you guys think. You can check out my current setup of the idea here, or directly to the stream here. If the stream is not currently online, and you wish to check it out, just let me know in-game on Veliisx Spiritcall. As it stands, I am just testing the idea out, and I can't be constantly in town for it, but I have no problem giving anyone that wants it an example.
Live Streaming Trade Search Idea
veliisx
sph0nz
pretty cool, however gwexchange.tk:
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Seed of Yggdrasil
interesting, that's pretty nifty, and i could see it being useful.
kazi_saki
Hey nice idea! If only I can just move the trade window up a bit so I can see the other traders. haha. Hope you can improve this some more! Its really great
veliisx
Hehe, thanks for the quick replies guys. I didn't realize that the site was being checked. I just made it today, so that would be why. And don't mind my flipping windows and such for now, as I am just running it on my computer, so you see anything that I do. In the future I may think about a permanent trade account for something like this.
pamelf
I think that's a really good idea. Seriosly, good job!
Icy The Mage
Awesome idea! Already bought something off of a guy 
veliisx
Just want to toss it out there that I am open to any suggestions. This is only a starting concept, and I would love to see it grow!
Messy
That's pretty amazing!! great idea
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[Morkai]
Such a great idea! I can see myself using this a lot.
Well done sir.
Well done sir.
Commander Ryker
hello good people of Kamadan!
Cool idea.
Cool idea.
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
/signed
great idea.
that way when you catch something you have been looking for, you can PM the guy/girl and tell him you'll buy it.
but to be fair to all players, even if they dont have NF, i say have it in Kam, LA and Kaineng, maybe EoTN, but not much gets sold there.
great idea.
that way when you catch something you have been looking for, you can PM the guy/girl and tell him you'll buy it.
but to be fair to all players, even if they dont have NF, i say have it in Kam, LA and Kaineng, maybe EoTN, but not much gets sold there.
veliisx
I agree I would love to have a stream from each city 24/7. However as it stands this is simply a recording of my screen streaming live and I can't be in all places at once. I do plan on getting a second accnt/comp set up if this is as popular as it could be.
However another thought is rotation. I could possibly rotate towns on a schedule.
Also, I could even grab items for people and deliver (when I have the cash of course) I do that kind of thing all the time anyway, so it would not bother me.
Unfortunately I have to go ahead and shutdown for the night. I will be starting back up tomorrow, with some improvements possibly. Feel free to post any suggestions!
-Veliisx Spiritcall
However another thought is rotation. I could possibly rotate towns on a schedule.
Also, I could even grab items for people and deliver (when I have the cash of course) I do that kind of thing all the time anyway, so it would not bother me.
Unfortunately I have to go ahead and shutdown for the night. I will be starting back up tomorrow, with some improvements possibly. Feel free to post any suggestions!
-Veliisx Spiritcall
Icy The Mage
Haha, well an improvement I would say, I dunno if anyone else noticed it, but it seemed that it would only refresh the stream about every 5 minutes near the end, so I would recommend trying to speed up the refresh somehow... Maybe it was just the sheer amount of people trying to connect after getting attention to the stream.
Anyways, it was great and hope to see it tomorrow!
Anyways, it was great and hope to see it tomorrow!
Lord of kryta
Is 100GB bandwidth even enough if lots of people use the stream?
Arduin
Epic idea, pity it blew up ^^
Ah good, you got it running again!
Ah good, you got it running again!
veliisx
I'll be perfectly honest, I did not expect this to explode as fast as it did. If my program was not lieing, at one point I had about 20 connections within 10 seconds. If something like this could be done a little more professionally it would be amazing, but as it stands this was just an idea that I was actually able to test.
Anyway, it is up right now, and I will be working on making it a little faster for you guys, only problem is it is a little hard to test on my end =P
Anyway, it is up right now, and I will be working on making it a little faster for you guys, only problem is it is a little hard to test on my end =P
Arduin
Creepy, I just saw you typing that text 
You know you are still streaming right? Don't want to view you viewing pr0n and such....
You know you are still streaming right? Don't want to view you viewing pr0n and such....
veliisx
Haha I know...I figure you guys can deal with my occasional flip between windows as I try to find some faster alternatives. I will keep myself clean don't worry =P
BTW I just found out that I was streaming a black screen, it should be fixed now
BTW I just found out that I was streaming a black screen, it should be fixed now
Arduin
Yup, it's working.
I'd suggest unticking your Guildchat when you are away
I'd suggest unticking your Guildchat when you are away
stretchs
Now if we could take an OCR program and have it read the logs and then drop it into text files THEN it would be great because you could then do manual searches on it. That would really make this a thing of beauty. Great concept to this point though, keep up the good work.
veliisx
Text logs were actually my original idea. I could do that much easier and still use my comp for other things. I'm not familiar with what you meant by an OCR though.
Ooh, good Idea, I didn't think of that...let me close this down for a sec and try and figure something like that out.
OK, so I tried an OCR program or two, and it seems that they dont like just a raw pic of GW haha. However, I had another thought. Is it possible in something like texmod to change the background behind the text white and the text to black? That would help for a live stream anyway if anyone has some info on it.
Ooh, good Idea, I didn't think of that...let me close this down for a sec and try and figure something like that out.
OK, so I tried an OCR program or two, and it seems that they dont like just a raw pic of GW haha. However, I had another thought. Is it possible in something like texmod to change the background behind the text white and the text to black? That would help for a live stream anyway if anyone has some info on it.
morgan
Wow...
this is serioiusly awesome.
Well done veliisx....an amazing idea very well implemented
Anet should buy this idea off you lol
this is serioiusly awesome.
Well done veliisx....an amazing idea very well implemented
Anet should buy this idea off you lol
veliisx
Alrighty, I made a couple changes, it should be much easier to read what is going on now...if you do end up taking a look please let me know ingame if it is easier to read. It is much easier to read whispers than come back here hehe.
While I was testing on another computer, I did notice the manner in which the page is updated. It is basicaly just refreshing itself, rather than a constant video. This would be why some people get really slow rates, it may have to do with distance. For reference I am on the Eastern Coast of the US.
While I was testing on another computer, I did notice the manner in which the page is updated. It is basicaly just refreshing itself, rather than a constant video. This would be why some people get really slow rates, it may have to do with distance. For reference I am on the Eastern Coast of the US.
sosycpsycho
Looks good, great job!
veliisx
Ty ty, I and a few others are looking at texmod to see what else we can come up with. I am glad for everyone's interest.
On another note, i'd be interested to see a screenshot of some1 playing GW, with this in the background. As it shows my comp I really can't do it myself...only comp with GW on it =P
On another note, i'd be interested to see a screenshot of some1 playing GW, with this in the background. As it shows my comp I really can't do it myself...only comp with GW on it =P
veliisx
hehe, nice job on the screeny. I like the way you had it set up. K, well according to Z E N O (only know in-game name hehe) the stream is run using javascript...might help to narrow down some connections issues.
SmartBomb
Wow, this is pretty cool
veliisx
Sorry, had a little downtime there...back up and running now.
Zodiak
Not sure exactly how this works but its cool. Are these all pictures that get set back to your browser? If so, would it be possible to make seperate frames for the trade channel and for the party window? Like i said, I dont know how this works but this is my idea
Have two frames with seperate vertical scrollbars, take a screenshot (or however its done) of each trade advertising as it comes up and send it back to the browser. Having each trade as a seperate picture (or again as stated above) and then re-stitched together giving you the ability to actually use the scrollbar to see these past trades. The same for the party search.
Now this may all be acting differently for me. I am at work atm, I am on windows 2000 and using Internet Explorer 6. I am undable to scroll and it pretty much just sits there on my computer. Thats why I wanted to mention the ideas above.
It WOULD also be very nice if it would be possible in the near future, if the search isnt possible, to at least group the WTS and the WTBs together
Another Idea would be, I dont know if it can be done remotely via a web browser, but a "Launch Guildwars" button could be cool if you are not in game and see a trade that interests you.
Have two frames with seperate vertical scrollbars, take a screenshot (or however its done) of each trade advertising as it comes up and send it back to the browser. Having each trade as a seperate picture (or again as stated above) and then re-stitched together giving you the ability to actually use the scrollbar to see these past trades. The same for the party search.
Now this may all be acting differently for me. I am at work atm, I am on windows 2000 and using Internet Explorer 6. I am undable to scroll and it pretty much just sits there on my computer. Thats why I wanted to mention the ideas above.
It WOULD also be very nice if it would be possible in the near future, if the search isnt possible, to at least group the WTS and the WTBs together
Another Idea would be, I dont know if it can be done remotely via a web browser, but a "Launch Guildwars" button could be cool if you are not in game and see a trade that interests you.
veliisx
While all of these would be great, they simply are not possible at this point. As for how it is running, all it is right now is a video of what I see on my screen. I was able to locate a program that streams its recording rather than saving it.
This being said, at this point nothing can be modified other than what we can ingame.
However, I am working on a way to convert the video into raw text. If this turns out to be possible, and practical, I may be able to create searchable and sortable text.
Sorry about my briefness, I had written this on my PSP so as to avoid leaving GW. I just wanted to mention that it is possible to launch a program from a browser. However, I actually can't edit the actual stream page, as the program is not open source. I could very well put one on my main page, once I find the actual method anyway. I am pretty sure it would be possible, because I know ijji does it for their games. Later on I will close the stream and work on getting raw text out again.
This being said, at this point nothing can be modified other than what we can ingame.
However, I am working on a way to convert the video into raw text. If this turns out to be possible, and practical, I may be able to create searchable and sortable text.
Sorry about my briefness, I had written this on my PSP so as to avoid leaving GW. I just wanted to mention that it is possible to launch a program from a browser. However, I actually can't edit the actual stream page, as the program is not open source. I could very well put one on my main page, once I find the actual method anyway. I am pretty sure it would be possible, because I know ijji does it for their games. Later on I will close the stream and work on getting raw text out again.
Zodiak
It would not be possible to determine the pixel height of a trade and rip image sections of that height and stream those?
I am simply trying to think of how to make this all scrollable and easier to view past things
I am simply trying to think of how to make this all scrollable and easier to view past things
veliisx
That could be possible, of course I only have so much to work with haha. I will not pay anything for any programs to do this, but I do almost have raw text working anyway...just a few more blips to figure out.
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Just an update, I was able to convert everything into raw text, the only thing Is it reeeaaallly hates how people spell things, so many things will show up wrong a lot of the time. And it takes me a little while to manually go through and fix everything. I will try and turn that off if possible haha. Anyway, I will try and provide a sample pic with ripped text in a few minutes.
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Ok, just as an update, I want to show you how horrid this rips out the text. The font used in GW is too smooshed for it to read well, not to mention I have to make the background of it white before it can even see it.
Original Pic:
Text Ripped:
Now obviously, that is of no use. I also tried it on the search window, but the way I was doing it, it did not differentiate between the two columns, so it was just one long string, and I honestly don't know the order it went in haha. The black and white was much easier to work with though.
If anyone can improve on this, by all means tell us.
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Just an update, I was able to convert everything into raw text, the only thing Is it reeeaaallly hates how people spell things, so many things will show up wrong a lot of the time. And it takes me a little while to manually go through and fix everything. I will try and turn that off if possible haha. Anyway, I will try and provide a sample pic with ripped text in a few minutes.
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Ok, just as an update, I want to show you how horrid this rips out the text. The font used in GW is too smooshed for it to read well, not to mention I have to make the background of it white before it can even see it.
Original Pic:
Text Ripped:
Code:
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If anyone can improve on this, by all means tell us.
Zodiak
Hmmmm, i wonder if there is such a thing that can spellcheck or fix re-occuring errors on the fly? Guildwars on spelling autocorrect... I bet nobody thought they would EVER see the day that would happen, lol
veliisx
Hehe, was just looking at that again, and I noticed it is rather good at finding "(part search)" isn't it? Figures it picks the most useless part to be good at.
Maybe if people actualy used english it would work.
Now just on that other idea, maybe I should try to automate pics of one section to make it scrollable...only thing is there really is no way to time it correctly, so some may go in tons of times, some may go in no times at all.
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Ok, that worked miserably, im just gonna toss my stream back up now for any that want to use it, please whisper me ingame if anyone has some more ideas.
-Veliisx Spiritcall
Maybe if people actualy used english it would work.
Now just on that other idea, maybe I should try to automate pics of one section to make it scrollable...only thing is there really is no way to time it correctly, so some may go in tons of times, some may go in no times at all.
EDIT
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Ok, that worked miserably, im just gonna toss my stream back up now for any that want to use it, please whisper me ingame if anyone has some more ideas.
-Veliisx Spiritcall
Zodiak
I just want to say that what you created is just awesome Veliisx. Please dont give up. I feel that it is somethingt that the whole community could greatly benefit from.
About your converted text. What is so horrible about it? I dont have any problems reading it and your right, the (party search) tag is incredibly easy to find. If there was one thing I would do though if possible is, once it locates it, would be to remove it from the displayed textlogs. It adds useless information to be displayed and simply adds a little to the jumble.
If there was another suggestion I could make. Again I do not know if this is possible, but if you could convert it to Flash, or stream directly to Flash, the whole menu displayed in a browser could be scaled by resizing the window in a non destructive manner.
So far so good man, A+ to you friend
About your converted text. What is so horrible about it? I dont have any problems reading it and your right, the (party search) tag is incredibly easy to find. If there was one thing I would do though if possible is, once it locates it, would be to remove it from the displayed textlogs. It adds useless information to be displayed and simply adds a little to the jumble.
If there was another suggestion I could make. Again I do not know if this is possible, but if you could convert it to Flash, or stream directly to Flash, the whole menu displayed in a browser could be scaled by resizing the window in a non destructive manner.
So far so good man, A+ to you friend
veliisx
Thank you for your interest. And sorry about it being closed down at the moment. I had a little bit of an overload haha. I restarted my comp, and I am just doing a quick edit.
That actualy did give me an idea btw...What if I were to run the stream in a page using a frame (yuk I know but it would work)...that way I could put some stuff outside of the frame, such as a button to launch guild wars
Once again, I appreciate any responses, and if you want me to see what you have to say right away, shoot me a whisper, that way I can keep the stream live. Anywho...I messed around with some frames, and I didnt get it clean enough to use right away, I will work on this a little later possibly.
That actualy did give me an idea btw...What if I were to run the stream in a page using a frame (yuk I know but it would work)...that way I could put some stuff outside of the frame, such as a button to launch guild wars
Once again, I appreciate any responses, and if you want me to see what you have to say right away, shoot me a whisper, that way I can keep the stream live. Anywho...I messed around with some frames, and I didnt get it clean enough to use right away, I will work on this a little later possibly.
Zodiak
heh, sorry for all the responces, but I really am interested. We had something similar for another game I used to play years ago using the old Unreal Tournament engine, though It was meant as a web based two way communicator to view and receive text from in and out of game.
Yes the idea of frames is what I have been tryign to suggest all along
You could have one long horizontal banner at the top with just plain text displaying
You are now viewing: Kamadan
Location: American
District: 1
Then bellow that, have two frames side by side for trade and party search
And Bellow that you could have your banner logo like Guildwars Live Trade and a Enter Guildwars button beside it
Forgive my mspaint skills lol
Yes the idea of frames is what I have been tryign to suggest all along
You could have one long horizontal banner at the top with just plain text displaying
You are now viewing: Kamadan
Location: American
District: 1
Then bellow that, have two frames side by side for trade and party search
And Bellow that you could have your banner logo like Guildwars Live Trade and a Enter Guildwars button beside it
Forgive my mspaint skills lol
bsoltan
Interesting stuff. Giving it a little watch now, quite a good idea really.