DoA Imbagon

Anwyn

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Heya guys…

I wanted to know what you all thought of my DoA Imbagon build… Any suggestions or things I may change for it? I mostly run heroway with a Warrior buddy…

[Spear of Lightning][Lightbringers Gaze][Save Yourselves][Theres Nothing to Fear][Focused Anger][For Great Justice][Fall Back][Signet of Return]

Obv, spear of lightning is used in moderation as energy allows, lightbringer sig I spam on recharge in big groups as it’s impossible to tie a rupt with it’s 1s cast time…

So, crit, suggest…

I Will Heal You Ally

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

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Instead of Fall back! bring IAS... that 25e thing

Anwyn

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The concern here is the -20 armor I get from it, DoA foes hit very hard... Also, U dont always have the 15E to spam TNTF on recharge to keep it up, so u loose it quiet often. Fall back has it's use when facing near wipe situations, it helps the majority get out of the way... Also use it when facing that giant thingy at the end of Veil, when you kill a big claw thingy and multi enemies spawn, helps party get away so tank can do his job...

I dont have issues pamming SY, even without an IAS...

sthpaw

sthpaw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Australia, Sydney

Overclockers Australia [OCAU]

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if IAS is important to you consider drunken master and take out lb gaze, as you main role is to prot the team, with cons i dont use any IAS as you will be doing 20% so i leave lb gaze on.

Zidane Ortef

Zidane Ortef

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Originally Posted by Anwyn
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The concern here is the -20 armor I get from it, DoA foes hit very hard... Also, U dont always have the 15E to spam TNTF on recharge to keep it up, so u loose it quiet often. Fall back has it's use when facing near wipe situations, it helps the majority get out of the way... Also use it when facing that giant thingy at the end of Veil, when you kill a big claw thingy and multi enemies spawn, helps party get away so tank can do his job...

I dont have issues pamming SY, even without an IAS...
Hmm. I have a few things to say.

If your attributes are setup right and you are spamming SY! there is no possible way you should be running out of energy on a paragon. As for the -20 armor on Aggressive Refrain. Think about the what else you already have,

You should be using Centurion's Insignia's on all five pieces of your armor that will give you +10 armor while under a shout, Echo, or chant. Aggressive Refrain is an Echo it can't be stripped. So with that you have already knocked the -20 to a -10.

Now add your shield to that mess and depending on you shield Q7 Al 15 is the command is the best choice for a paragon so you can run your attributes like this

12+1+1 Spear Mastery
11+1 Leadership
6+1 Command

or

12+1+1 Leadership
11+1 Spear Mastery
6+1 Command

I prefer the second one it gives you 7 energy back when you shout/chant and gives you 1 more second on TNTF!

Back to the shield with the armor 15 shield you no have an overall +5 bonus to your base armor rating of 80.

With SY! and TNTF! up with a downtime of 9 seconds, if you take a few hits your healers will be able to handle healing you because nobody else will be taking a significant amount of damage to begin with.

Hope this helps if your not using cons then you should always Aggressive Refrain on your bar.

P.S. If you don't have a Q7 command AL 15 shield you will have to drop Spear Master down one point and bump command up to 8+1 for you Q9 shield.

TheodenKing

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

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Use an IAS regardless of what anyone else tells you. -20 armor from [aggressive refrain] can be a good thing for a couple reasons...

1. As long as you aren't dying, you want them attacking you instead of your monks.
2. You gain adrenaline from getting hit... so see #1

But if you are more conservative, bring a condition removal in your party.

Anime Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

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if you want to keep up agressive refrain u need some shout
as for me i am able to keep ar up all the times with FGJ and go for the eyes/ watch yourself

as for fall back the only reason i prefer it on my bar is to escape fast if things are escalating.

as said your job is to protect the team so no need to bring damaging skills
only if you can absolutely sure you can keep sy up all the time.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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AR has no downsides. My Necro heroes love [foul feast]ing it for either [infuse condition] or [plague sending].

Calista Blackblood

Calista Blackblood

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[aggressive refrain] is too good to not take,and any decent team will have condition removal anyway.. What other IAS can you cast and maintain for hours through just regular skill spam?

[spear of fury]helps a hell of a lot of you have the conditions to fulfil it.

MasterSasori

MasterSasori

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Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

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[Aggressive Refrain] is a must in an Imbagon bar. As many people stated before, the main role of Imbagon is to keep the SY up, and its not possible without IAS. The cracked armor can be a pain in the rear, but its better than a 5 second hole between SY.

If you are adamant about not using AR, consider [flail]. Imbagon can work around its downside fairly well and with FA and FGJ, you should be able to keep it up well.

Do you know for sure that Lightbringer's Gaze is better than Ebon Standard of Honor?

Carboplatin

Carboplatin

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and if you use cons, you won't need [aggressive refrain] as you get a free IAS, tho you could bring [drunken master] for a +33%

and IMO, any shouts that requires a cast time is a waste, it takes away from you gaining adrenaline. [ebon battle standard of honor] is a good choice, as long as your team knows u know it.
This seems like a good suggestion on attribs, gonna try it... And yeah, I have the sheild...

Quote: Originally Posted by R Langdon View Post IF you use cons, you can take out [For Great Justice] since [Focused Anger] will recharge just in time to keep it up 100% of the time. We try not to use cons in NM, but I'm sure we'll be attempting HM soon too, and they help then..

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post AR has no downsides. My Necro heroes love [foul feast]ing it for either [infuse condition] or [plague sending]. Bobby, you always got good suggestion, but you run this in DoA?

Quote: Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood View Post IAS can you cast and maintain for hours through just regular skill spam? Not in DoA you can't... You loose it all the time...
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori View Post
Do you know for sure that Lightbringer's Gaze is better than Ebon Standard of Honor? Most def, when the foes are bunched I get 100-120 damage + interupts to 6 foes...

Quote: They all offer relatively little except AoW which at 5 energy every 10 seconds is hardly rocket science to use as a maintainer for AR.You don't even need points in command for it unless you really want weakness duration.

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Originally Posted by Nightow View Post
Question, is it common for an imbagon in DoA to bring [Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]? I have r5 on mine and found it useful in some HM areas. In DoA I feel its a waste, LB sig is better. IMO

Quote: [anthem of flame][anthem of weariness][theyre on fire] Can all maintain AR easily but ToF is hardly the best choice,AoF for 3 secs burning is hardly worth it(although it's another condition as is AoW) which kinda leaves [[anthem of weariness] which will numb enemy physicals.

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Originally Posted by R Langdon View Post
and if you use cons, you won't need [aggressive refrain] as you get a free IAS, tho you could bring [drunken master] for a +33% I was thinking of trying this out tonight and bringing a bit of booze with me... Will see how it goes...

FoxBat

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

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The most important thing for DoA para is actually [Peace and Harmony] ...on a human monk. Not only will this take care of your cracked armor, but also the numerous anti-physical hexes and conditions that will stop your adrenaline gain, which will in turn lead to the death of your party. Just have the monk maintain that on you, and you'll do well.

If all your healers are heroway, there's some way to set them up to handle hexes. You can even have a monk hero with PnH disabled and you just manually hit that on yourself on recharge.

And the IAS ought to fix your energy problems, more (even excessive) SY spam = more energy. It's odd that you should even need LB sig on an imba (though you listed LB gaze in the icon.)

Anime Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

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ow yeah someone suggested EBSOH. i found it usefull to defeat mallyx.
since i used to bring 2 paras along so yeah maxed rank can give some pretty decent damage.

Anwyn

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Join Date: Feb 2009

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Yeah... it is LB sig...

Anime... We goona try finish gloom again tonight? I only need 2 more areas till I can face Mallyx...

Calista Blackblood

Calista Blackblood

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Originally Posted by Anwyn View Post
To keep AR up all the time you need TNTF and GFTE... And GFtE is a wasted slot in DoA, who needs another 50% chance to crit hen there are only 2 physicals and most damage comes from discord...
Not in DoA you can't... You loose it all the time... The only way to lose AR is by falling asleep or dual monitoring porn and paying more attention to that.

Anwyn

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Calista, have you ever plyed an imbagon in DoA?

none of those 3 are good choices, maybe AoW is viable, it will eat your nrg tho, nrg needed for TNtF...

I fixed the problem with flail, but yesterday ANET screwed all that up... (So much for the pvp/pve skill split, pvpers have screwed my pve para in the foot now)...

I gues Drunken Mster is my next best option, just dont wanna use all that booze...

Shemsu Anpw

Shemsu Anpw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2008

Sephirot - Keter

In DoA the only area that has been an Issue for my Paragon has been the city Tor'ca with vocal minority. Other then that everywhere else i can maintain AR constantly. I usually use AoW with SoF. GftE is us usually for energy management only, but I have been toying with LG instead and that seems to work all right.

Calista Blackblood

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anwyn
Calista, have you ever plyed an imbagon in DoA?
Relevant how? The question should actually be" Have you played my build in DoA?" In which case the answer is no and I wouldn't.

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none of those 3 are good choices, maybe AoW is viable, it will eat your nrg tho, nrg needed for TNtF...
Originally Posted by Leadership
You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 2 ranks) I was able to spam [This;OQGiUyoMBAAAMDGDCEWh5uluBA] quite happily for close to 15 mins (I stopped to type /age at a bad time).Imo you spend too much energy on skills you don't need: [lightbringers gaze][for great justice][fall back].You have heros+a warrior friend and everything has +100 armor,running away shouldn't occur often enough to make it more desirable on the bar over [[aggressive refrain]+-maintainer-.[[focused anger]+AR is far stronger than FGJ+[[focused anger] and [[lightbringers gaze] is really a waste of a PvE skill slot where something far more useful could be..[ebon battle standard of honor][i am the strongest][spear of fury][drunken master](while dropping AR).Depends how you choose to maximise your 3 PvE skill slots really..

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

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ive run doa paragon a couple of times, didnt take fgj (it wont stack with FA i think) GOFTE works on minions aswell remmber, and i didnt have much luck with critical hit spear deepwound thing [vicious attack]

i ran something like this [build;OQGjUymIqSle+iWYiepbAhubybA]

we focus fired so lack of a condition on my part wasnt a issue, id recommend dropping res and taking res scrolls. take a extra attack so its more interesting

id like to try
[build;OQGjUymIqSle3bXYWYiepbAhubA]
anthem of envy to battery the extra cost of slayers spear also will boost damage for you and the tank

im runed for 13spear, 9 command, 14 leadership, but i dont think its that critical