The Crystal Snowflake Scam

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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Is there anything Anet can do about this scam? I've seen it 4 times today, most of them by bots.

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BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

hmm intesring..no doubt theyre just having a joke

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
hmm intesring..no doubt theyre just having a joke
No, I pretended to want one to see what they'd do and they tried to sell it to me. Then I pretended to have one (to the guy who was buying) and he said he had one already.

It's a pretty common scam, I'm just amazed that nothing seems to happen with it

Ben-A-BoO

Ben-A-BoO

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

submit there names with a ticket and hope they ban those kids soon.

tom999

tom999

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

House of Lord Darcia [HoLD]

W/

what happens in the actual scam?

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom999 View Post
what happens in the actual scam?
A person sees that a guy wants to buy one for a high sum, and conveniently, another person is selling one "cheap". Basically, the person buys the cheap one to sell to the guy wanting to buy it for the high sum, but once he whispers him to sell it on, the guy had already bought one/logged off etc.

Enon

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

Are there people that don't lack common sense?

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

evidently

12letters

Junato

Junato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Between J&K spending time at the spacebar

Insert here

A/D

Bait and switch. that's the name of the scam

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Kamadan, AE2 today:


"Player ABC: WTB Crystal snowflake 100k + 200Ecto"


followed a little later by:


"Player XYZ: WTS Crystal snowflake 50ectos/zkeys"


Pathetic really. You may have noticed similar during these past few months as I know I've seen other weird "WTB"s of quest items here.

Don't fall for it.



edit:
sorry for 2nd thread. When I searched on crystal snowflake before I began there was nothing on forum.

Shadowhaze

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by timebandit View Post
submit there names with a ticket and hope they ban those kids soon.
Agreed. Give them names and screens and report.

Sad thing people have to do that.

Eduhard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

X Knock Out X [KO]

Me/

WOW !!!!!! sad....

Taixen

Taixen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

England

A/

Like most scams it can be avoided with a bit of common sense, if someone is selling something much cheaper than it's general value, then there is usually a catch or an intention to scam. Old saying of, "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is" generally applies to most things.

Other things like making sure you have a basic knowledge of items value when you're attempting to buy low/ sell high will really help as i can imagine the "Cheap" item being sold, isn't actually cheap.

Teh Nox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

wow thats not what i call "SCAM"..
just dont buy the flake

naughteblonde

naughteblonde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Rabid Hamsters [NUBY]

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Same guy again. Ive reported him and his mate/other account pulling the same scam over and over in Kamadan and Lions Arch. Not much seems to happen and he always starts doing it again in a matter of days.

Dmitri3

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

That's quite a common tactic/scam. Most people who get caught in it think they bought it really really cheap anyway. Power trading, however good you are, has it's risks.

sph0nz

sph0nz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

none.

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You know, it shouldn't be ANet's responsibility to handle scams. It's up to the individual, and if they get scammed, then oh well I suppose. Gold is easy to obtain and so is the knowledge of what a "scam" is and isn't.

As for this scam, it's absolutely pathetic. Not only is the quest item completely worthless (although it has sentimental value to me), but the method in which the scam is being conducted is also ancient.

Aera

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

E/

Use your brains, don't waste Anet's time with other people's stupidity.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
hmm intesring..no doubt theyre just having a joke
No doubt? Does the timing of this not strike you as more than coincidental? A lot of players are running around with zkeys today.

But yes, I'd be laughing hard too if it was my scam and someone fell for it.

Shadowhaze

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

Whether or not gold is easy to obtain, etc. is not the issue. Sure, people should be aware of value of things and be careful when buying/selling/etc. But people like this are intentionally trying to scam. Anet should be aware of such people and punish them accordingly (which imo, could even go so far as a perma ban).

lewis91

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

E/

This is the second thread posted today about these crystal snowflake scams o.0

Sad people scam ¬_¬.

Nessar

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

Wow I've never heard of that item..you'd think the the buyer/seller would do some research first :I

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

Tell them you want to buy it, and put 200g instead of 200e, and hit accept.

For the lulz.

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

Geez, if they wanna break game rules, go buy gold with $$$ and get your account stolen or better, banned.

/report spike in 3...2...1

code1101

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

actualy i don't feel sorry for anyone who falls for such a scam. greed is a killer and if you were decent enough you would tell the seller that he is selling for a lower price. but out of greed people will try to scam the poor guy by taking the item for a very low price just to sell it at very high price.

and there was a very smarter scam than this one which I fell for it back when the ectos started to fall below 5k. a guy at toa says he buys ectos at 5k ea. being a person who thinks he is very clever and knows the market price I gave him 2 ectos for 10k. as soon as i saw the 10 at the screen I quickly pressed accept before the guy changes his mind just to find out later that he only offered 10g. thank god that I only had 2 ectos at that time. rather than feeling angry I loled at my greed.

stop being greedy or you will learn to stop the hard way

take_me

take_me

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Country Roads [HOME]

This scam is nothing new... Just the item varies...... still... quite pathetic attempt...

Zebideedee

Zebideedee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W

N/Me

Not really a scam imho, the *scammee in this case is trying to get rich by playing the market, the *scammers just do the same thing right back to them

'A Fool and Their Money Are Easily Parted' is a true saying here


*for want of a better term.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebideedee View Post
Not really a scam imho, the *scammee in this case is trying to get rich by playing the market, the *scammers just do the same thing right back to them

'A Fool and Their Money Are Easily Parted' is a true saying here


*for want of a better term.
It's only not a scam if there were such a market. It just plays on ignorance of the market, and, like you say, greed.

Puddin Cheeks

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

they are still doing it is as we speak, except now its spectral crystal for 100e + 300zkeys, lolz,

I posted and said i had one to sell him.
Mysteriously, he says he just bought one.

Jensy

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

I... what. Just... how do the people who fall for this crap remember to breathe? Just when I think I've seen how dumb people can get in GW, ya gotta come and show me this *g*

Then again, this is Kamadan...

kainmodious

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

In Christ Alone

N/Mo

Um i really dont see this as being a scam. If the buyer has any smarts at all they wouldnt go fo it. but there are some people out there who think that not all things should be sold at such a high price.(Me for example) we just sell them for a resonable price and get it sold rather than just sitting there spamming the same WTS over and over all day.

I say take it into your judgement If you need the item and it is selling cheap as part of these "scams" take advantage of it. otherwise let someone else buy it.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Quote:
Originally Posted by kainmodious View Post
Um i really dont see this as being a scam. If the buyer has any smarts at all they wouldnt go fo it. but there are some people out there who think that not all things should be sold at such a high price.(Me for example) we just sell them for a resonable price and get it sold rather than just sitting there spamming the same WTS over and over all day.

I say take it into your judgement If you need the item and it is selling cheap as part of these "scams" take advantage of it. otherwise let someone else buy it.
But it's more to do with the item being traded having no value at all. To anybody. The items being chosen for this scam are chosen for their rarity so it's possible that people don't know of them or indeed if they have any value. They see the 'want to sell' a little while after the 'want to buy' and a little light goes off in their head. Remember, the 'want to buy'er has no intention of paying up for this item. This is a scam, pure and simple.

Copenhagen Master

Copenhagen Master

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

El Centro CA

Lazy Imperius Legionis (LaZy)

W/P

I must agree stop wasting ANETS time with this crap if your dumb enough to fall for that trick then that is your loss. Anets needs more time to actually focus on other problems rather than you dumb mistake, and if that the first time then it a rookie mistake and learn from it

Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kainmodious View Post
Um i really dont see this as being a scam. If the buyer has any smarts at all they wouldnt go fo it. but there are some people out there who think that not all things should be sold at such a high price.(Me for example) we just sell them for a resonable price and get it sold rather than just sitting there spamming the same WTS over and over all day.

I say take it into your judgement If you need the item and it is selling cheap as part of these "scams" take advantage of it. otherwise let someone else buy it.
The entire point of most scams is that they target people who don't know any better, though. So it IS a scam.

Voodoo Rage

Voodoo Rage

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

Sacramento, CA

Geezers

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by kainmodious View Post
Um i really dont see this as being a scam. If the buyer has any smarts at all they wouldnt go fo it. but there are some people out there who think that not all things should be sold at such a high price.(Me for example) we just sell them for a resonable price and get it sold rather than just sitting there spamming the same WTS over and over all day.

I say take it into your judgement If you need the item and it is selling cheap as part of these "scams" take advantage of it. otherwise let someone else buy it.
Well, it should be a reportable offense to be spamming the trade channel wanting to buy and item that you actually have no intent on buying. It's like guys who get off trying to sell an item for a very cheap price and then start jumping from district to district to start a wild goose chase.

The Air Revenger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Looking For TA Guild!

W/

im sorry but i think its a great idea, even if it is a scam you need to be pretty dum to buy it.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

This scam was old in Diablo 2.

Hard to believe that anyone is still stupid enough to fall for this. Apparently Barnum was right.

EXTREMELY hard to believe that some of you don't believe that this is a scam. Any time you dupe someone into paying real money for something without value, it's a scam. There's a pretty clear line between people undercosting/overpaying for items (there are rational reasons to do this) and selling someone an item with no intrinsic value.

ANet has no responsibility to deal with scams, but their consistent policy of carebearing the community (eg: updating item pictures, supposedly "banning" scammers) leads much of the community to believe that ANet is responsible for solving these problems.

DarkFlame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ascalon

E/

Being the good citizen you are, out them publicly on All Chat and be done with it. Really isn't a need to go crying to Anet, that they should do something to protect idiots from being idiots.

Lyynyyrd

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

Aussie Trolling Crew - Spah!

I've been doing this for ages. Yes, there are idiots who fall for it. No, there's nothing wrong with selling an item for an extremely high price.

Caveat emptor kids, ANet does nothing.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkFlame View Post
Being the good citizen you are, out them publicly on All Chat and be done with it. Really isn't a need to go crying to Anet, that they should do something to protect idiots from being idiots.
Doesn't help. Today in Kamadan Am 1, one person was selling an Q9 Emerald Edge (not the expensive Emerald Blade!) for 100k + 20 ecto or so. Another person wanted to buy an Edge for 100k + 40 ecto. So same setup.

Oone person, the good citizen, confronted the duo in allchat with their attempt to scam some newbie out of their money. I have never seen half of Kamadan turn that fast on one person trying to help:

-let them trade!
-if someone falls for that scam, it's their own fault!
-if someone wants to buy an Edge for 100k + 20 ecto, let them!

Next to the obvious swearing that is to be expected.

So honestly, don't expect the community to protect the innocent.