Casters =
Until lvl 5 = no more then 15 armor
from lvl 5 to lvl 10 = no more then 30 armor
from lvl 10 to lvl 15 = no more then 40 armor
from lvl 15 to lvl 20 = no more then 50 armor
lvl 20 and beyond = 60 armor
Warriors +20 armor,+20 armor vs physical
Paragons +20 armor
Assassins , Dervishes +10 armor
Rangers +10 armor,+30 vs elemental
Getting your lvl 2 to Droknars Forge for max armor is cheating in my opinion.
I coppied this idea from World of Warcraft where armor have level requirements.
Armor Rating Level Requirement
Lourens
MisterB
I prefer getting my level one to Consulate Docks. Don't tell others how to play.
Higher armor levels are available where GW game designers felt it was needed, and there's no reason to punish people who get there faster with this. There is already a general level suggestion for armor built into the game, if you think about it. It's based on the minimum level to reach an area with normal play, which is as it should be.
Higher armor levels are available where GW game designers felt it was needed, and there's no reason to punish people who get there faster with this. There is already a general level suggestion for armor built into the game, if you think about it. It's based on the minimum level to reach an area with normal play, which is as it should be.
glacialphoenix
...why punish people if they want to get max armour earlier? And yes, you can get a level 2 to Droks in Prophecies, where you can be run just about anywhere. So?
I know you can ferry to Consulate Docks, but you'd be punishing people who get there WITHOUT a ferry before they hit level 20. Same for Factions. Especially Factions, where you can't even access certain outposts without the correct quest. If a Factions-born character hits Kaineng before he's level 20 and doesn't have max armour, he's kind of in trouble, isn't he? Heck, some of the newer players don't even know that Kaineng sells max armour since the quest takes them straight from The Marketplace to Vizunah.
Same goes for GWEN, really, now that your character only needs to be level 10 to enter.
What you are suggesting would basically punish a lot of people who aren't "cheating", and quite frankly I don't see the issue with getting max armour earlier.
I know you can ferry to Consulate Docks, but you'd be punishing people who get there WITHOUT a ferry before they hit level 20. Same for Factions. Especially Factions, where you can't even access certain outposts without the correct quest. If a Factions-born character hits Kaineng before he's level 20 and doesn't have max armour, he's kind of in trouble, isn't he? Heck, some of the newer players don't even know that Kaineng sells max armour since the quest takes them straight from The Marketplace to Vizunah.
Same goes for GWEN, really, now that your character only needs to be level 10 to enter.
What you are suggesting would basically punish a lot of people who aren't "cheating", and quite frankly I don't see the issue with getting max armour earlier.
tmakinen
Basically, armor equivalent of weapon requirement. Despite being possible, ANet has decided against it. Go figure.
MagmaRed
Only place it matters is in Ascalon Arena, Shing Jea Arena, Istani Arena, and the Shiverpeak Arena. If you have problems with it, go play real PvP and leave the noob arenas to the noobs.
Yawgmoth
In a couple first Public Beta events there were level requirements on armor pieces. I've always thought they worked very fine and really didn't like when they removed it. It's pretty late for making such a change after 4 years but still I fully support it.
Max armor (80/70/60 depending on profession) should require at least level 15. Players should have level 15 when getting to the Docks the normal way and Shiverpeak arena should be free of max armor players, and Elite skills too - new players getting completelly demolished in a low level arena may bet discouraged to ever try PvP again.
Lower armors - the (65/55/45) and (71/61/51) sets should require at least level 10.
There should be a reason for buying the lower ones even though they cost close to nothing even for completely new players.
But main reason for level requirements on armors is balance - low level areas are balanced for low armored players and casters in max Armor:60 can walk into big aggro and take a lot of damage as if they were strong tanks. This doesn't teach players how to play well, so they have to learn that in late lv20+ areas.
Level restrictions should be applied to newly crafted armors only, not to annoy players who bought them already, they will level up soon and practically disappear.
All this would make sense some time ago, but now Anet wanted to rush even level 10 players to Eye of the North and offered them a 'legit' max armor crafter in Boreal Station. Encouraging rushing even with levelling in GW easy and quick as a breeze...
Max armor (80/70/60 depending on profession) should require at least level 15. Players should have level 15 when getting to the Docks the normal way and Shiverpeak arena should be free of max armor players, and Elite skills too - new players getting completelly demolished in a low level arena may bet discouraged to ever try PvP again.
Lower armors - the (65/55/45) and (71/61/51) sets should require at least level 10.
There should be a reason for buying the lower ones even though they cost close to nothing even for completely new players.
But main reason for level requirements on armors is balance - low level areas are balanced for low armored players and casters in max Armor:60 can walk into big aggro and take a lot of damage as if they were strong tanks. This doesn't teach players how to play well, so they have to learn that in late lv20+ areas.
Level restrictions should be applied to newly crafted armors only, not to annoy players who bought them already, they will level up soon and practically disappear.
All this would make sense some time ago, but now Anet wanted to rush even level 10 players to Eye of the North and offered them a 'legit' max armor crafter in Boreal Station. Encouraging rushing even with levelling in GW easy and quick as a breeze...
spirit of defeat
The game starts @ lv 20 so everything below that isn't interessting.
Reverend Dr
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The game starts @ lv 20 so everything below that isn't interessting.
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This is it. This is the truth.
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new players getting completelly demolished in a low level arena may bet discouraged to ever try PvP again.
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Verene
Yeah, I see no point in putting a limit on armor, of all things. So people can make themselves more survivable in PvE. How is that a bad thing? Not everyone is some super-perfect player who can walk through Talus Chute naked and take no damage, you know :P And as was mentioned, getting max armor ASAP is basically encouraged with the fact that you can hop to GW:EN at level 10 and craft max-level armor there, without needing to get any runs anywhere.
Silly idea, really.
Silly idea, really.
Operative 14
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.... Getting your lvl 2 to Droknars Forge for max armor is cheating in my opinion.
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glacialphoenix
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Hailey Anne
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Only place it matters is in Ascalon Arena, Shing Jea Arena, Istani Arena, and the Shiverpeak Arena. If you have problems with it, go play real PvP and leave the noob arenas to the noobs.
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That and people need to stop trying to dictate how others play. If you dont want to get max armor early then don't. I however will get my armor when I feel like it not when YOU feel I should have it.
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Eragon Zarroc
meh, what does it matter? not enough time is spent at low lvl for it to matter and lvl 20 friends can be recruited to do the lowbie stuff for u while u just sit there if u feel like it. just the time between 1-20 isn't enough for it to matter.
Verene
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I submit to you that the people who do that are the people who are already starting a second, third or fourth character. I seriously doubt you can change how good or bad they are around that point. I mean, everytime I see a newbie in the Q&A forums, the general response is 'don't get a ferry, it's your first time playing, take time to savour the game.'
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However, when you're on character #2, 3, 4...you already know the basics (in general, anyway, maybe not of the specific profession you chose if it's different) of the game, one would hope. And you probably are able to stick away enough money (even if you don't farm) to buy a max armor set quickly. Where's the harm there?
I just started up character #3 a couple of days ago. I did not want to do early Prophs stuff again. I wanted to get max armor ASAP and start playing around. You can bet I got myself a run to Droks right away. But characters #1 and #2? I did it all the hard way. I've already done it twice, I feel no need to do it again if I don't have to.
Lourens
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The game starts @ lv 20 so everything below that isn't interessting.
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Almost 70% of prophecies is for players below lvl 20
glacialphoenix
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That aint true
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Like I said. Why punish people in more than one campaign for something that you feel is "cheating"? You can go to Kaineng/Kamadan the moment you hit Lion's Arch. Legitimately, I might add. Without running. You don't have to hit, say, Ascension before you can go play Factions/NF missions. Are you going to say that people who want to play Factions/Nightfall with a Prophecies character before they hit the South Shiverpeaks should be penalised? Are you going to say that getting a max armour set in Kaineng without getting ferried there is cheating? If someone wants to do the Vizunah Square mission at level 16, let him. He probably won't find a group, but that's his problem.
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I coppied this idea from World of Warcraft where armor have level requirements.
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miskav
Original, but why bother? it takes 4 hours to get to 20 if you know what you're doing.
People who don't know what they're doing wont arrive at the places when they're below lvl 20, Nor have the money for it.
People who don't know what they're doing wont arrive at the places when they're below lvl 20, Nor have the money for it.
GhostSnowmanMYST
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I coppied this idea from World of Warcraft where armor have level requirements.
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What does it have to do with this forum? This isn't WoW, its Guildwars, we play how we want, not how WoW decide to.On-Topic: I don't find this cheating at all. I got max armour for my derv because i'm going for the Survivor title and i don't want anything to spoil that, so if that means getting a ferry to the Docks, then i will.
miskav
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Was about to point out that GW isn't trying to be like WoW (okay, some aspects aside)
Thus that's not exactly a valid "Selling point" for your idea.
Was about to point out that GW isn't trying to be like WoW (okay, some aspects aside)
Thus that's not exactly a valid "Selling point" for your idea.
Improvavel
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I just started up character #3 a couple of days ago. I did not want to do early Prophs stuff again. I wanted to get max armor ASAP and start playing around. You can bet I got myself a run to Droks right away. But characters #1 and #2? I did it all the hard way. I've already done it twice, I feel no need to do it again if I don't have to.
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It is just the human nature - some people just have the need to dictate how other people can behave... And it is all for their own good, of course, they just don't know better and need to be taught to be saved from the mistakes and evils of life and free will...
MithranArkanere
Meh, people should be able to run or be runned around as much as they want, and equip anything they want.
All I see wrong is allowing people make Missions without making the previous missions and primary quests. Let them explore and enter outposts as much as they want, but keep the outpost icon hidden until they can make the mission, and only band the access to areas that require plot advancemente to get there. Just like in Nightfall.
And for Arenas, there should be an environment effect there like the buff in Eye of the North or the effect of the Dragon arena, allowing anyone getting there, even level 20 characters, but turning them into characters of that level.
For example:
= Ascalon Arena
- Elite skills locked.
- HP: 280
- Armor: 50, 40 or 30. (Depending on profession)
- Attribute points: 45 points spread between the most equipped attributes.
And there you are, anyone can join those without advantages. Come on, it has been done before, you don't have to think a way when it already exists.
All I see wrong is allowing people make Missions without making the previous missions and primary quests. Let them explore and enter outposts as much as they want, but keep the outpost icon hidden until they can make the mission, and only band the access to areas that require plot advancemente to get there. Just like in Nightfall.
And for Arenas, there should be an environment effect there like the buff in Eye of the North or the effect of the Dragon arena, allowing anyone getting there, even level 20 characters, but turning them into characters of that level.
For example:
= Ascalon Arena
- Elite skills locked.
- HP: 280
- Armor: 50, 40 or 30. (Depending on profession)
- Attribute points: 45 points spread between the most equipped attributes.
And there you are, anyone can join those without advantages. Come on, it has been done before, you don't have to think a way when it already exists.
Sweet Mystery
Erm so at level 10 can get to Boreal Station where there is a max armor guy... and now need to let people get there, so be happy to then be told... no...
Sorry bad idea... people should be able to get their armor when they want. Elite armor will cost them with runs quite a bit... but hey if can get it good on them. I would more prefer to see that Elite Armors need a level requirement, but again it's personal choice. You can ascend in Proph at level 3 and get into your new FoW armor soon after...
I prefer to get any new characters max armor as soon as I can, as then I can move on in campaigns with less frustration. My choice.
Sorry bad idea... people should be able to get their armor when they want. Elite armor will cost them with runs quite a bit... but hey if can get it good on them. I would more prefer to see that Elite Armors need a level requirement, but again it's personal choice. You can ascend in Proph at level 3 and get into your new FoW armor soon after...
I prefer to get any new characters max armor as soon as I can, as then I can move on in campaigns with less frustration. My choice.
Arkantos
WoW has a level requirement for armor because they don't want level 5's running around with great armor. This is not the case for GW. It's not cheating, and we don't need a requirement.
Dr.Jones
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draxynnic
Looks like it's only a problem in the low-level arenas to me. Easily fixed - just put an armour rating limit in those arenas according to what armour is assumed to be available by characters first reaching that arena.
For monster bashing... Who cares? The guy killing Charr in Ascalon with 60 armour on a level 5 caster is possibly still facing more of a challenge than the 160-armour caster in the Charr Homelands under SY!
For monster bashing... Who cares? The guy killing Charr in Ascalon with 60 armour on a level 5 caster is possibly still facing more of a challenge than the 160-armour caster in the Charr Homelands under SY!
DragonRogue
Just another useless idea from someone who is more worried about how OTHERS play than himself. This idea doesnt impact you in the least other than to tell others what they should be doing in your opinion. Mind your own business and do what you want and we will do what we want.
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Lourens
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Just another useless idea from someone who is more worried about how OTHERS play than himself. This idea doesnt impact you in the least other than to tell others what they should be doing in your opinion. Mind your own business and do what you want and we will do what we want.
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Faer
I support this idea, to keep starter Arenas balanced and to make the lower level areas of the game less of a complete joke. However, I still don't really see any reason to implement it. It's Guild Wars. PvE in its entirety barely matters except in EotN, so any content tailored to Pre-lv20 characters is almost entirely meaningless as long as people learn the mechanics of the game from it.
This is one of those good ideas that is plagued by the "but why bother" virus.
This is one of those good ideas that is plagued by the "but why bother" virus.
Improvavel
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Sorry? I got several lvl 10's in ascalon arena aswell
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MithranArkanere got the right idea.
Changing multitude of aspects to fix a single restricted aspect is bad.
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Casters =
Until lvl 5 = no more then 15 armor from lvl 5 to lvl 10 = no more then 30 armor from lvl 10 to lvl 15 = no more then 40 armor from lvl 15 to lvl 20 = no more then 50 armor lvl 20 and beyond = 60 armor Warriors +20 armor,+20 armor vs physical Paragons +20 armor Assassins , Dervishes +10 armor Rangers +10 armor,+30 vs elemental Getting your lvl 2 to Droknars Forge for max armor is cheating in my opinion. I coppied this idea from World of Warcraft where armor have level requirements. |
Sweet Mystery
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Getting your lvl 2 to Droknars Forge for max armor is cheating in my opinion.
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I dont think after FOUR years we should contemplate the changing of armor being attained at certain levels. Counter productive... and if you all of a sudden bring in a restriction on the level needed to wear armor.... you will piss off a lot of players who have that max armor now.
Plus if its that good in WoW... go play WoW. Oh and I have WoW and know all about it before being told I dont know anything about WoW...
DoomFrost
What I would support is armor level scaling like it does on hero armor. Now how such a thing could be done is beyond me, but I'll try anyways.
Armor scaling would exist on every armor type. These armors, depending upon where they are located, would have a maximum to how much they could scale.
Example:
Take two armors, one set of armor is bought from Lions Arch, the other set is bought from Droknar's Forge. Each armor would scale based on their classes set AL up to the players max level. The Droknar armor would be able to scale up to that level. The Lion's Arch set though would not, it would only scale to a certain maximum set for that armor. i.e. "Scales up to level 10"
So what would be the point in having lowbie armor? Affordability. Players in the end, would spend much less for the Lion's Arch armor that would scale just like the set from Droknars. The only downside of the armor is that once it hits the maximum it can scale to, the player would have to buy another set.
So what would be the point in having Droknar's armor? No limits. Player AL would scale based on class AL up to the players max level and wouldn't have a max like the lowbie armors do. The only downside is that it would be costly.
In the end though, no two armors AL would be better than the other. If you were level 10, the LA armor and Droks armor would reflect that level.
Hope I made sense.
Armor scaling would exist on every armor type. These armors, depending upon where they are located, would have a maximum to how much they could scale.
Example:
Take two armors, one set of armor is bought from Lions Arch, the other set is bought from Droknar's Forge. Each armor would scale based on their classes set AL up to the players max level. The Droknar armor would be able to scale up to that level. The Lion's Arch set though would not, it would only scale to a certain maximum set for that armor. i.e. "Scales up to level 10"
So what would be the point in having lowbie armor? Affordability. Players in the end, would spend much less for the Lion's Arch armor that would scale just like the set from Droknars. The only downside of the armor is that once it hits the maximum it can scale to, the player would have to buy another set.
So what would be the point in having Droknar's armor? No limits. Player AL would scale based on class AL up to the players max level and wouldn't have a max like the lowbie armors do. The only downside is that it would be costly.
In the end though, no two armors AL would be better than the other. If you were level 10, the LA armor and Droks armor would reflect that level.
Hope I made sense.