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Bidding In Ventari's Corner

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Xiao Erh
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• #1
Can anyone direct me to the section which covers a discussion regarding biddings? I am not sure where this topic should go, but hope this is the right place to put up this thread.

My point is that the Guidelines and FAQ's does not provide an answer to what I experienced. In the process of bidding for an item in High End, I bidded in Ectos whilst others were bidding in ZKeys. How does one conclude whether a bid for say 105 Ectos is higher or lower than 110 ZKeys? The second last bid was for 115 ZKeys and I placed mine at 120 Ectos. Subsequently, I won but only after Seller says he does not want ZKeys. I balk at being the winner, as I had been bidding against unqualified bids, and Seller did not state that he does not want ZKeys nor make any mention of it during the bidding process. There would not be any problems if all bids placed are in gold and Ectos since prices of ZKeys are somewhat volatile.
Yang Whirlwind
Yang Whirlwind
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• #2
We do not have any rule regarding this, the seller sets his own premises for the auction. If he neglects to mention that he does not accept z-keys as per your example, the bids should still be seen as valid, since neither you or the other bidder knew that the seller was not going to accept z-keys when you placed your bids.
Though z-keys a volatile currency at present, the other bidder might have converted the z-keys to ecto (at whatever rate he could) or might have offered to trade a like number of ecto instead of the z-keys if he had been the winner of the auction.

You thought 120 ecto was a fair deal when you placed the bid and that should not have changed because of the information you received later.
Consider also that the seller might well have opted not to sell to you at all if your bid had been lower (as is his right, whether stated or not).
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Xiao Erh
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• #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind View Post
We do not have any rule regarding this, the seller sets his own premises for the auction. If he neglects to mention that he does not accept z-keys as per your example, the bids should still be seen as valid, since neither you or the other bidder knew that the seller was not going to accept z-keys when you placed your bids.
Though z-keys a volatile currency at present, the other bidder might have converted the z-keys to ecto (at whatever rate he could) or might have offered to trade a like number of ecto instead of the z-keys if he had been the winner of the auction.

You thought 120 ecto was a fair deal when you placed the bid and that should not have changed because of the information you received later.
Consider also that the seller might well have opted not to sell to you at all if your bid had been lower (as is his right, whether stated or not). There was ample time for the Seller to make a mention that only ectos are acceptable. My bid would have stop at 105 Ectos as the remaining bids after that were in Z Keys. It is hard for a bidder to quantify which bid is higher or lower say for example, 105 Ectos against 110 Z Keys. So against 110 Z Keys, what number of Ectos should be bidded if 105 Ectos is considered lower? Who decides, if Seller keeps mum and makes no effort to clarify?

So if Seller had during the process of bidding say he does not want Z Keys, the bid would have ended at 105 Ectos instead of 120 Ectos. It is not a matter of paying the additional 15 Ectos but whether this is seen as being ethical.
Yang Whirlwind
Yang Whirlwind
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• #4
I will repeat this to make sure you understand:
If the bidding had ended at 105 ecto the seller would have been free not to sell the item at all if he so chose.
So, you could say: "since you said you do not accept z-keys, I will treat the others person's offers as null and void,- my offer of 105 ecto is the highest, as all subsequent bids are canceled".
He is then free to say: "I contacted you because I was satisfied with your bid of 120 ecto, I will however not sell the item for 105 ecto! Good day to you!"

Ethics and morals are not concepts we relate to in our rules, those are exclusively up to you to decide on for yourself.
If someone does something you, personally, find questionable or dishonorable you are free not to trade with that person, but do not ask us to judge such disputes.
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Inde
Site Contributor
• #5
Xiao, I know you are frustrated but the seller can really set the rules and what he wants to accept. It is their prerogative. If they want to end the sell early, if they want to decide on what currency they'll accept or refuse... this is up to them. Our sell forums are used to bring buyers and sellers together and it's not an exact science but the seller can make their choice of who to sell to.