Z Chest Issues
esthetic
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HawkofStorms
Why does somebody need more then 40k a month for doing nothing?
Most of the people who complain about "not having any money" just spend it too quickly. Learn to have a budget. Set prioritized goals (ie, save for elite armor you want first, then party points, then lockpicks, then sweet tooth points, etc). It will help you a ton (even in the real world
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Most of the people who complain about "not having any money" just spend it too quickly. Learn to have a budget. Set prioritized goals (ie, save for elite armor you want first, then party points, then lockpicks, then sweet tooth points, etc). It will help you a ton (even in the real world
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A H O Y T
Here are 2 reasons Zkeys are going down in price...
1) Monthlies, people having 3-4-5+ accounts getting 20zkeys on each, then amassing stacks of zkeys for doing..? Nothing.
2) One of the biggest drives for Zkeys/Zchest is Everlasting Tonics, and everyone wants the new one... but the tonics are on a cycle, and how long has it been since the Everlastings came out?
1) Monthlies, people having 3-4-5+ accounts getting 20zkeys on each, then amassing stacks of zkeys for doing..? Nothing.
2) One of the biggest drives for Zkeys/Zchest is Everlasting Tonics, and everyone wants the new one... but the tonics are on a cycle, and how long has it been since the Everlastings came out?
esthetic
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Why does somebody need more then 40k a month for doing nothing?
Most of the people who complain about "not having any money" just spend it too quickly. Learn to have a budget. Set prioritized goals (ie, save for elite armor you want first, then party points, then lockpicks, then sweet tooth points, etc). It will help you a ton (even in the real world ). |
ZeusTheGiant
would be nice if you recieved a weapon and a consumable. that would boost up the value of zkeys by quite a bit. So keep the drop rate the same but you get 2 items instead of 1 and dont get screwed on the crap consumables only.
Zabe
And i want my guild versus guild battle opponents also drop me ectos plz.
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by esthetic
My suggestion is as follows, make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest.
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Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by esthetic
make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest.
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TheodenKing
zkeys were always overinflated. Now they are coming into a reasonable range. And they do fluctuate, depending on time of the month and what the next tonic is going to be. I don't see a problem.
Eragon Zarroc
u want the title changed so that u can make more easy money a month? no thanx
go cubs
yah zkeys are fine...i mean i wouldnt mind having them at 5k each but its free money anyways...ill take what i can get and you should too...dont get all greedy and stuff...too late i guess........i wouldnt mind having gamer increase balth fact though 
Puebert
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I don't think the XTH should even be around, you shouldn't get that much money a month for doing nothing.
I don't think the XTH should even be around, you shouldn't get that much money a month for doing nothing.
Reflect The Storm
The Z-chest drops inscribable versions of all non-unique weapons in the game first of all if I'm not mistaken...and you are incredibly fortunate to get any money at all for free a month. Nothing good ever comes of manipulating economies.
Yawgmoth
1 simple best fix - remove Xunlai House altogether.
Div
Dear Anet:
I believe everything should be handed to be on a silver platter. I do not, and should not, have to work for anything (after all, earning things is overrated). Please deposit 1 million gold, 250 ectos, and 500 zkeys at the end of every month.
Thanks.
I believe everything should be handed to be on a silver platter. I do not, and should not, have to work for anything (after all, earning things is overrated). Please deposit 1 million gold, 250 ectos, and 500 zkeys at the end of every month.
Thanks.
Hanging Man
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Why does somebody need more then 40k a month for doing nothing?
Most of the people who complain about "not having any money" just spend it too quickly. Learn to have a budget. Set prioritized goals (ie, save for elite armor you want first, then party points, then lockpicks, then sweet tooth points, etc). It will help you a ton (even in the real world ). |
but back on topic.
I like fact that it would raise the cap on Balthazar faction. That only makes sense considering you can use balthazar faction to get them. But increase the drop rate of high-end weapons, I don't like. I prefer to keep a short limited supply on high-end items, so this way the market doesn't over flood with them and then their prices go down. [I'm looking at you dead swords.]
Luminarus
XTH is a mistake... first of all it introduces a tonne of money into the economy each month. Secondly its causing QQ problems on forums when they make a mistake and thirdly... its ruining the economy. (Said it twice coz its twice as important). Economy is dead, yes. No reason to kick the dead horse.
DragonRogue
Just another QQ thread about how some greedy punk is having his profit margine cut into on his multiple accounts. Few things ever fall out of the chest to make the keys worth 5k to begin with. 5k creme brulee and white tomes. Whatever. So stop being a whiny b*tch and enjoy whatever FREE cash you get and dont have to actually work for. No one feels sorry for you or those like you. On this alone you shouldve had your thread closed.
However,
/Signed for the idea to raise balth faction cap per rank in Z
/Signed for the idea that the max rank is pretty rediculous and should be lowered to make it achievable.
But as for high end items falling from the chest...this already happens. Its where I got my Eternal Blade. No need to increase the drop rate for these items because they eventually will plummet like Elemental Swords if given enough time. So /Not Signed.
However,
/Signed for the idea to raise balth faction cap per rank in Z
/Signed for the idea that the max rank is pretty rediculous and should be lowered to make it achievable.
But as for high end items falling from the chest...this already happens. Its where I got my Eternal Blade. No need to increase the drop rate for these items because they eventually will plummet like Elemental Swords if given enough time. So /Not Signed.
RedNova88
I think they will go back up in value when a new tonic is introduced... Well, probably not. If they want to keep the value of the keys stable they should incorporate all weapon skins into the chest. It might be a step too far, but dare I say they should even give the chest a chance to give you a random piece armor? Would be fun to get a piece of a set of armor, and I'd probably start using my keys instead of selling them.
I do think they should lower the title requirements, 20000 keys?! Was somebody drunk while deciding this?
I have to say no to it increasing Balthazar faction cap, since most people don't even PvP to get their keys it seems.
I do think they should lower the title requirements, 20000 keys?! Was somebody drunk while deciding this?
I have to say no to it increasing Balthazar faction cap, since most people don't even PvP to get their keys it seems.
DragonRogue
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Originally Posted by RedNova88
If they want to keep the value of the keys stable they should incorporate all weapon skins into the chest.
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Tullzinski
Wasn't there a problem with double point distribution for the last 2 months? I seem to remember a note from regina about ANET not taking double award of tourney points back this month and a problem with XTH. Double the normal points this month equaled many more keys out there and triggered the latest price drop.
Mordiego
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Originally Posted by esthetic
...My suggestion is as follows, make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest...
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U deserve a bump for the sense of humor
... . Why do U expect to recieve even more FREE money? U get it for free so U should be happy U get it AT ALL. We call this ingratitude.
the_jos
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Originally Posted by esthetic
If the Zkey prices drop any farther like to 2k it means a player with one account will only make roughly 20k to 40k a month which is not enough to satiate the masses.
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Last year the price of a barrel of oil was $150. Nowadays it's only ~$50 for that same barrel. Please do something about that or we won't make enough money.
The joined chair members of the oil companies.
It's not about income, it's about balancing income and spendings.
If you have less income, cutting your spending instead of taking an additional loan might be the smartest thing to do. But then, half the 'first world' population fails to understand that so you are not alone.
Sure, this is a game.
But for some reason A-net decided to add some 'limited' stuff to it.
Some people win the lottery and get a lucky drop, others work hard for their money and some just happened to be around when stuff was cheap.
Or, to say that better, when other stuff was expensive.
Supply and demand changes constantly, usually against the majority of the 'traders'.
Why? Because when something is used as a 'shadow currency' it's an investment and investments have the risk of devaluation attached to it.
Just like investing in oil, gold, porkbellies or other commodities.
If the value of those drop, people will change their investments for something of solid value. Because most people don't buy commodities (or derivatives) because they need them, but because they can make money with them.
Many investors in oil would not like to have a delivery truck pumping oil in their offices when their future contract ends....
And if you invest in something rare in time it will be less rare and it might even become somewhat common (like Voltaic Spears).
When people will farm them production is going up (instead of one a week it's now one a day because more people farm) and production will increase over time (more efficient builds and more experienced players).
Why those worries about your ingame income.
It's like you are some kind of trader for a financial institution that is looking at his money going down the drain.
It's a game you know, pixels on a screen. Play for fun and to be honest I doubt that worrying about ingame gold or income adds more fun to it.
esthetic
I think this is going off topic. I am saying lets keep a source of ingame income for ppl so they dont have to grind farm if they dont want to and give the casual gammer an alternative to buying ingame gold with real life money from third parties.
Zkeys i think did address this but if the price of the Zkey drops too far it will not be effective anymore.
Sorry to offend you purists out there who want to keep this "game" as close to the real life as possible.
Zkeys i think did address this but if the price of the Zkey drops too far it will not be effective anymore.
Sorry to offend you purists out there who want to keep this "game" as close to the real life as possible.
RedNova88
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Originally Posted by DragonRogue
ALL weapon skins DO have a chance to fall from the chest.
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Bobulation
Im pretty sure there are like ~5 skins that cant drop, thats it.
HawkofStorms
Yeah, the only stuff that doesn't drop is stuff that is crafted (ie, destroyer or tormented weapons) or certain stuff that just doesn't drop anywhere (like gold versions of certain exclusive skins only used by greens).
And @esthetic, since a large number of people who buy z-keys do so with "dirty money," it really is no different from supporting the gold sellers directly.
Furthermore, money is RIDICULOUSLY easy to acquire in this game and there is nothing to really spend it on. No other MMO I have every seen has it this easy. Casual gamers DON'T need tons of money and they can still buy everything they want with max stats just by playing through the storyline. "Casual gamer" doesn't mean you can't beat GW:EN once (which took me 3 days to beat when I first bought it) and collect the gold reward from a NM storyline book.
FURTHERMORE, if z-keys suddenly did spike up in price (of course, many of your suggestions would actually have the exact opposite affect) then the causal and non-causal gamers (who after all, make XTH predictions as well) would both get more money. Therefore there wouldn't really be any benefit as the poorer players would still be just as poor relative to the rich.
And @esthetic, since a large number of people who buy z-keys do so with "dirty money," it really is no different from supporting the gold sellers directly.
Furthermore, money is RIDICULOUSLY easy to acquire in this game and there is nothing to really spend it on. No other MMO I have every seen has it this easy. Casual gamers DON'T need tons of money and they can still buy everything they want with max stats just by playing through the storyline. "Casual gamer" doesn't mean you can't beat GW:EN once (which took me 3 days to beat when I first bought it) and collect the gold reward from a NM storyline book.
FURTHERMORE, if z-keys suddenly did spike up in price (of course, many of your suggestions would actually have the exact opposite affect) then the causal and non-causal gamers (who after all, make XTH predictions as well) would both get more money. Therefore there wouldn't really be any benefit as the poorer players would still be just as poor relative to the rich.
gouso85
I think all this ramble about z keys and chests are going out of controll.. the best way i think is not to shut the predictions game down but to make the z keys customized then everyone would have to use the keys themself and can only use one account and they can get a small ammount of cash from the drops which eveyone can sell.
nottin in life is free untill a net maid it so
nottin in life is free untill a net maid it so
Wish Swiftdeath
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XTH doesn't even work on my accounts so be happy yours does.
XTH doesn't even work on my accounts so be happy yours does.
Tullzinski
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Support has been unable to fix it? They fixed both my accts.
http://www.guildwars.com/support/default.php
Aldric
God i'm fed up reading whiney posts from people who do nothing more than complain that their free for doing nothing shit isn't enough and they want more.
20-40k a month should be plenty ontop of the shedloads you make from actually just playing the game.
20-40k a month should be plenty ontop of the shedloads you make from actually just playing the game.
crazybanshee
Ummm, would you like to start a level 1 character that immediately has all skills and titles, and max armor, and all quests done? What else would there be to play for? Free money not enough for you? Or did you stockpile keys and cry as the value plummeted?
esthetic
Hmm, so you decided to complain about the people you think are complaining... I am fed up with ppl who have nothing constructive to say but complain about other peoples posts! or is this your strat to +1? and don't use the lords name in vain dear.
Shasgaliel
I would prefer them to be 400g each so /unsigned.
Aldric
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Originally Posted by esthetic
Hmm, so you decided to complain about the people you think are complaining... I am fed up with ppl who have nothing constructive to say but complain about other peoples posts! or is this your strat to +1? and don't use the lords name in vain dear.
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You wanted opinions on how to Anet can change the game/z chest so that you personally could benefit because the 20-40k you can expect free each month is just not enough.I stated my own opinion that 40k + game money should be fine for anyone.
esthetic
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Originally Posted by Aldric
Yes because greedy people whining about not getting enough free stuff is annoying and when you make a thread on a forum about not getting enough free stuff you can expect some people to disagree.
You wanted opinions on how to Anet can change the game/z chest so that you personally could benefit because the 20-40k you can expect free each month is just not enough.I stated my own opinion that 40k + game money should be fine for anyone. |
Look, this is a GAME we are playing. A fantasy GAME. I am not asking for "FREE STUFF" I agree, its all pixels, a game, this is entertainment, and I am making an observation and suggestion on increasing the entertainment value of the GAME.
Chieftain Heavyhand
Just like everything GW get in fast or lose out.
Farming spots, speed clear builds, whatever be there at the beginning or lose out.
Same with Z-keys, was a great money maker to begin with, more and more people found out about the keys, people got greedy bought more accounts, A-net messed up and gave double points two months in a row, and the guys who are gobbling the keys up seem to be running out of cash.
To the guy who wishes the keys were 400g each I bet you do.
The market is flooded with keys they were free so some of the people are selling low. But I look at it like the ecto prices during the speed clear times ecto prices went way down because the market was flooded, they came back up after a while. I think the keys will to. After all the extra keys are used up from the double point fiasco, prices will go back up, will they hit 5k a key, I'm not sure.
Buyers I'm sure wish the key prices would go below 2k, but from a sellers point of view those guys were willing to pay 5k at one time so it is just a waiting game.
AS for the complaining about the drop in price, it was bound to happen.
Farming spots, speed clear builds, whatever be there at the beginning or lose out.
Same with Z-keys, was a great money maker to begin with, more and more people found out about the keys, people got greedy bought more accounts, A-net messed up and gave double points two months in a row, and the guys who are gobbling the keys up seem to be running out of cash.
To the guy who wishes the keys were 400g each I bet you do.
The market is flooded with keys they were free so some of the people are selling low. But I look at it like the ecto prices during the speed clear times ecto prices went way down because the market was flooded, they came back up after a while. I think the keys will to. After all the extra keys are used up from the double point fiasco, prices will go back up, will they hit 5k a key, I'm not sure.
Buyers I'm sure wish the key prices would go below 2k, but from a sellers point of view those guys were willing to pay 5k at one time so it is just a waiting game.
AS for the complaining about the drop in price, it was bound to happen.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Chieftain Heavyhand
AS for the complaining about the drop in price, it was bound to happen. |
Everything in this game will eventually drop in value as people start to hoard oversupplys to use as currency.
Proff
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Originally Posted by esthetic
Well, if you have played lately you know that the Zkey prices have dropped yet again. From what I recall they were as high as 8,000 now they are as low as 3,500. I guess its supply and demand as many ppl are now signed up to get their keys and they have gotten their rank 1 emote so not as much demand. Only those crazy ppl trying to max out this title and looking for an everlast are buying keys.
Why is this an issue? People use Zkeys every month to sell and fund their in game purchases and activies allows more time for playing and not farming, for those that do not like to farm. I would say since the addition of Zkeys there seems to be less third party sale of in game gold and items for real world money. Both of these things are a good thing in my opinion. |
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Originally Posted by esthetic
If the Zkey prices drop any farther like to 2k it means a player with one account will only make roughly 20k to 40k a month which is not enough to satiate the masses.
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Originally Posted by esthetic
My suggestion is as follows, make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest. Have Z rank increase the max cap. for Balth Faction. Decrease the max needed for Rank 12 (currently this is set so high only [rawr] or ppl with 20 accounts can reach it). This will drive up the price of Z Keys.
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Originally Posted by esthetic
My motives are for my own gain as I have multiple accounts and the changes will affect me are multiplied. Flame away!!!
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