Bonus weekends are screwing up the economy

It costs time to get make believe money.

What upsets people is when the developers devalue time that was *already spent* acquiring make believe money. People can't adjust their behavior to account for the caprice of the devs, as the community isn't informed of these changes (or their material impacts) in advance.

Can you see how this would upset rational people? Just because other people don't share your values doesn't make them irrational or idiots.

Looks like this has turned into yet another "XTH screwed up GW" thread, so I'll put in my two cents:

1. Like everyone else is saying, the drop in zkey prices is because of XTH mostly, but I think some of the recent drops (aka the bigger ones) have been because of double points, which has mistakenly happened TWICE (if I've heard correctly).
2. On Topic: Weekends have nothing to do with it, in fact, as far as I recall, weekend events have been happening every weekend for as long as I can remember. The balth faction makes no difference.
3. The fake economy died a loooonnnngggg time ago.

I was wondering when the "omg you guys fail for having an opinion, go kill yourself" guy would come along too.

haha, when hasnt the GW economy been RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed?

ever since perma sins and uw speed clears the price in everthing has gone down. remember when ectos were 9k a pop? and went down to 3k at one point. and shards were 800g?

dont start a QQ thread because just z-keys have gone down. try and think about why they have gone down. just like everything else in GW. they messeed up the z-key points this month and last month. so prices will drop for a while, while more z-keys circulate the market.

when it gets back to normal they will pop up to 5kish as they were before, once all the nublettes are done trying to get a quick sale.

The majority of this thread is about people whining how other people have numerous 'second accounts' which they use for the sole purpose of getting free money. Honestly if getting a free couple'a million gold (depending on how many accounts you own and how high you can sell your keys for) every month sounds like a time waster then i really need to reconsider how i see the universe.

Of course i can see how this would upset a rational person, but starting a thread with the title Bonus weekends are screwing up the economy and then getting a bunch of people to agree and some to disagree etc isnt the way of going about trying to get the problem fixed. How about starting a poll in sardelacabout why the XTH shouldnt be removed. Then have a nice logical debate with other users about why imaginary money is so important, in the hope that regina/andrew/anet will see said thread and address issues.

Thats funny because i was wondering when you were going to start ignoring my blatent trolling and actually answer some of my highly valid points. The money is not real, apart from investing time into getting said money, give me another logical reason as to why Anet should care about it (also i'd like to point out right now that anet obviously dont care otherwise the XTH wouldnt of been introduced, and and there wouldnt be weekends every weekend making money easy to get.

I think you got the right idea, although I don't know how long it will take for things to get back to "normal", or if they ever will get there without some change to the perma-sin build. That and the whole HZH deal but I'm not going to touch that in this thread..

edit: Whoops, almost forgot that bonus weekends are a good thing despite what they may do as they get people doing things in game at least.

People with 20 accounts for XTH are not what's causing the Zkey price to drop. Why? Because the number of people with a bunch of accounts for that purpose is such a tiny number of total GW players as to be nearly negligible. It's a tiny percentage of people who are on this forum, and forumgoers themselves are a tiny percentage of players.

The reason the prices have dropped so much recently is because things have been messed up the last couple months. I agree with stanzhao - things will even out and then go back up to where it used to be for Zkeys.

The economy was messed up LONG before the z-chest was implemented.

And a fluctuating price of z-keys... laugh. They are overvalued anyways (5k for a creme or a gold you will just merchant).

Wait.....

We get a ton of "FREE" Zkeys every month and we're complaining about it's value??? Maybe Anet should take away all the "FREE" keys the OP and anyone like minded have gotten. The price will go back up for sure, except you can't have them for free anymore. How does that sound?

Anet should spoil you people less. Then you'll really have something to whine about.

Guildie of mine got keys three times last month (not this very last round), I got mine doubled. Ended up with a lot left, because I had hoped the price would go back up. It didn't, and I ended up with more to sell when anet said "oh, here, take all the points you earned, and we'll forgive the debt'. I expect this was the problem many people ran into, where the demand was far less than the supply. This is basic stuff, you guys.

If you can remember back far enough, keys were maybe 2.5-3k when the xth first started, it was only after they started churning out the damn title and tonics that the price went up. If we don't get any new tonics after April (as the calendar suggests), then they'll likely stabilize at 3-4, regardless of how many keys are out there.

Most people that got free stuff are made WORSE off than they were before. In this case, the only players that benefit are those willing to drop IRL cash on having tons of accounts for XTH. Everyone else (except the devs) loses.

Perhaps an illustration will make this concept easier to grasp.

Suppose you already have lots of zkeys, ectos and armbraces that you invested time acquiring.

Suddenly ANet makes it really easy for other people to get said ectos/zkeys/armbraces. (Ex: 2007 dupe, XTH, perma SF)

The price of everything rare goes up dramatically, because there are tons and tons of new ectos, zkeys and armbraces in the system.

The value of the time you invested previously drops. The contents of your storage are now worth, say, 30% less than they were before in terms of in-game gold. But the real value (what you can actually buy with the contents of your storage) may have been cut by 70-90%. Yes, the numbers were that bad during the dupe.

they shouldn't have invented the z-key or the chest in the first place, ofc im not complaining much cause i do make money this way though its only with one account and the max key i got was like 16 compared to 100+ keys some people get by using alt accounts, hey if you got the account might as well use em. there were some bonus weekends that wrecked GW, but the thing is there really isnt much they can do for the weekends by limiting all pvp weekends.

sounds nice. Never gotten any zkey for "free" before. So go ahead, take them all.

True, sometimes you wonder what you played/farmed for. Go to the mediamarkt, saw them sell GuildWars for €10,--. Buy 3 new accounts, register them. Get 100 points each account every month (not that hard) and you end up with 60 z. Keys! And 12 new character slots you can use as mules... How much was it to buy a new character slot for your old account? It's a joke.

I have to agree somewhat these bonus weekends have driven down the z keys price quite a bit taking away a huge chunk of my income it's

Really funny seeing PvPer's going on about how those darn PvEers don't deserve z-keys, considering that the XTH freebies have greatly increased the interest level in PvP among most of the PvEers (including me) that I know. They are now watching the tournament matches (or just regular ones), talking about the different guilds playing, and getting more interested in playing PvP because "it looks like fun!"

So Anet has a feature that not only gives away free stuff, but also increases the interest in a part of the game that many players might otherwise ignore. Seems like a win-win for all of us to me.

true, but that doesn't mean everyone has to have the stuff in their box turned into merchant fodder.

This. This is me exactly!

Wait, wait, you think faction bonus weekends are the reason there are so many Zkeys around?

lololono

Instead of completely removing the XTH System, wouldn't it make more sense to decrease the amount of keys that you can obtain per account? (Possibly a point made already, haven't read in detail).

Hopefully the prices will sort themselves out with the April Update, which will hopefully contain a few balances/ changes to problematic skills.

Also, removing the XTH would get rid of people QQ'ing about not getting their free stuff on time, which is always slightly amusing to see each month.