Why were the dupers not all banned?

I am sure this will be open to massive flames but I am really sick of seeing people with 1000's of armbraces and kanaxais etc...

Even the most skilled and dedicated player will never amass the vast wealth that the dupers acquired during their tenure here in gw.

I admit that some have been banned yet I see alot of them(I wont mention names obviously) roaming about spamadan or blatantly making rediculous bids on items in the high end section.

Do the developers not care(or in some instances in collusion) about the dupers?
Do the dedicated players of this game no deserve an equal playing ground to buy rare items?

This is not a whine really as I don't really want to spend 5000ectos on a mini but perhaps the developers(GM) should look into some of the high end threads a little more carefully.

how much u talking cause 5,000+e is easily gotten legally

5 min after I wrote this post I got a nice screen shot of a Kanaxai for sale..

Kanaxai Duper.jpg

In my opinion ANYONE that has 1000 armbraces is a duper and should be banned......

And how exactly are you so sure that this Kanaxai was duped?

Eventually, somewhere along the line, someone got lucky with the incredibly rare minis and somebody else, whether legitimately or not, had so much net worth (in ecto, rare items, etc.) that they both felt one of these high end deals was fair trade.

Not all expensive things in the game are the result of scams and dupes. Some, yes, many, no.

I laugh at the "seller" not being able to spell Kanaxai. Did you have them show it? It is probably more likely someone just trolling for bids, not that they really have one for sale.

Lol, till recently I had a guildie who made a small fortune trading rare (not duped) stuff.
It's called powertrading and when you have a fair amount of gold at hand it's not that hard.
And what you see is someone trying to sell a mini, not sure if he/she will get that amount of armbraces for it though.

Please post a SS with 1000+ armbraces next time...

It isnt the point of the Kanaxai not being legitimate, it is the point of the buyer. I don't know anyone in the game that can get 1000 armbraces and NOT be a duper. My whole point to the entire thread is that all these dupers should be banned so that the people who do make money the real way ie doing runs :O are rewarded with their life savings on a rare mini. there is noone that has played 6000hours+ that has 1000 armbraces.

There is a player I know that has 150,00e, 50,000zaishen keys, 5000 armbraces and about 40 high end pets worth 1500e+. I will not say his IGN but just let me do the math.

Assuming Ectos are 4,5k, zkeys are 4k, and armbraces are 200k, thats 1,875,000,000 Gold+ 60,000,000(or more) in Minipets. Estimating about 2 Billion gold total.

Also assuming that this person played the game 8 hours every day for 48 months that would mean that they earned about 175k Per Hour consistently for 48 months.

This either means that this person has NO life what-so-ever, or they duped.

Duped is the most logical answer.

I have power sold my self and it isnt that. You show me a screen of a person that has 750 armbraces...that is not a known duper and then I will acquiesce.

OP Translated:

"Sum1 haz mur monies den meh, so dey mus b d0per! banzor dem Pl0X"

There is enough people duping, or simply even breaking the rules and getting away with it.

If Anet doesn't care, they don't care. Not much U can do about it.

(P.S.: Go look up some gold selling forums -Where people can meet, greet and trade - and look up some of the names selling items, you'll find a decent amount of top PvP'er getting away with this stuff)

Anet doesn't care enough to actively hunt these people down. For them, it's important no-one is able to bot their Kurzick title...

No, he's wondering why known dupers are back in the game.

There have been ways, over time for people to make millions of gold for a few hours work. EG running the old shiverpeak chest, the chance to get r7 cryts's and selling them for alot. You could make 2million from soloing groups in urgoz when it was first introduced, for about 4 days work at 8hours a day. If you have more than one account you can use them to duo stuff while you keep all the drops. If you had a friend in pvp who didnt care about money or minipets at all you mightve been able to get minipets off them.

Saying there is no way to make that much money is a lie. And there were countless more ways to earn alot of money legally. And dont even get me started on powertrading.

And i know GW hasnt been out for that long, i found it moronic to do the math, and then say that its impossible.

Nobody can deny the fact that duped armbraces and high end miniatures are still out there. It's just a matter of time when they'll appear.

You cannot dupe minis.....and not all people with 500+ armbraces are dupers...but people who you have never heard of who pop out with 1500 armbraces spamming wtb kanxais or pandas are dupers for sure...

I didn't see that assumption that maybe this person bought gold and used the monet that way. It is another scenario besides duping.

All I see in this thread are legitimate questions about known exploits used by those 'in the know' for a while at some point in the past, and elites (e.g. 'in the know') flaming them for not having 150-300 days /played time farming 25k-200k per hour.

Let's be frank - these elites themselves knew about and prolly used a good number of these exploits, and now have GW wealth that is in some way, shape, or form, based on that very same fraud. FWIW, I myself heard of a bug that was exploited hardcore for a while - rare matl vendor selling ectos for ~200g.

Sure there's power trading, but come on - only the power traders are doing it, and they're not all easily 'duped' (no pun intended LOL). This can get you a million here and there, with some hours invested to be sure...

However, I'd bet most of this wealth is NOT dupe related nor is it power-trade related.

My belief? It's account hacking/farming related. Not sure how much Chinese sweatshop farming takes place here, but I bet it's similar to other MMORPGs. 20 accounts can net you 2-4 million gold in zkeys every month through the xunlai house. Most likely, most of this 'monster' wealth (2 billion gold) is simply the result of javascript-kiddies and their keylogs - NOT DUPES.

Alot of people with thousands of armbraces duped months before the mass duping spree that also resulted in mass bannings. Since the mass bannings for the most part were checking over that day or week in particular, those who did it in advance did not fall under anet's scrutiny. As a result, alot of duped armbraces are still floating around. As to why anet has not banned them, i imagine it is either hard to search every account, including inactive ones, for thousands of armbraces or anet stopped caring.

You mean that, among hackers, there's currently no known method to dupe them?

Or is there some added security for these items (haha!), like a unique string identifier attached to each one, so that existence of 2 with said-same string would immediately flag on the server, resulting in deletion?

I had to LOL, btw...

Are you sure you're not the guy tryin to sell the mini kanaxai? maybe trolling both in game and forums?

Thank, you made me lol

All you need to complete this game can easily be earned by playing.

Anet doesn't care about a few dupers because they don't care about even bigger problems either.

the reason why is it only worked with stackable items, otherwise u would see duping in weaons, etc.

I'm surprised this hasn't been closed yet.

All it is is misinformation, random speculation, and fear mongering.
All the dupers were banned. The stuff they traded to other people wasn't (since those people were innocent and had no way to know they were getting duped items).

imo...if its not dupe ist scamming/hacking.....to many ppl falling for keylogs and to many crazy asian scripts which get passwords

QQ MORE...........Just because you can't figure out how to make LOTS of money doesn't mean everyone who has LOTS of money is a duper.

I got ALL these rare minis without DUPING or EBAYING. Just because you QQers can't figure out how to power trade you think everyone with a lot of money is a duper. I had predicted and gambled on rare mini pets going up in value. I bought and held many items during the 3+ years I have been playing this game. Some have not payed off like the 30+ sup absorbtion runes and 30+ sup vigor I bought before factions.....all the diamonds I bought before nightfall came out. I lost millions in those investments. But some like the 4 unded vizu I bought for 500ectos each sky rocketed and now unded vizu is around 4000 ectos+. My guildies laughed at me saying "why would you pay so much for a mini?".... meaning 500e for 1 unded vizu.

I made a fortune when green weapons first came out in the sorrows furnace update. I would buy them for cheap in war camp and sell them in droknars forge for 5 times what I paid. This was at a time before people used the wiki. Many people didn't even know where war camp was but they were happy to pay for the expensive new green weapons.

It is called power trading and investing. I still have rare items I am holding as investment hopefully they will be worth a ton someday. Items like +25% charr slaying mods and one of the rarest items in game "tattered girl's Cape". There are many other minis right now I think are undervalued and should go up even more soon...like Varesh, Certadon, Gray Giant, Asura. They are already starting to go up. And I stocked up on them months ago. There are many ways to make money in the game without breaking the rules.......

Here is a quick example of a power trade......If you get 1 mini ghostly drop for you in halls you have just made 1650ectos. If that person wants the ectos quick they might sell that mini to me for 1500 ectos. Then I take my time selling it and get max value 1650e. There is no scamming... There is no duping.... and I just made 150 ectos. Now assume while I am holding this ghostly mini trying to sell it that the price goes up to 2000e. That is the perfect example of how I made enough to buy a gold trim guild for 11000 ectos. I really enjoy guild wars and trading is almost as big a part of it as PVE or PVP. SO......QQ more it is really funny. Try using your imagination before calling people cheaters.

Is this a TLDR post?

LOL. The bolded part is especially funny/full of fail. Anyway..

Of course there are legit players with lots of ectoes. People are merely saying that there are those out there who are not legit. Can you say with absolute certainty that everyone major trader is 100% legit?

BTW, not every duper was banned. The majority of them are because they duped within that one week where it got out of hand. The people who duped long before that week though were not.

I get asked why I bought a gold trim guild frequently..... The answer is .......drum roll.......what else do you spend 11000 ectos on in this game anymore? If you have the money why not buy a gold trim guild. I don't even use the gold trim guild for my main account.... PLUS I am looking to buy more gold trim guilds. I am going to collect them all if I can. LOL

Those sound like big numbers, to be sure - but I think you missed the boat. 10,000 armbraces are 400,000 ecto, at ~40 ecto each (this would explain why they duped 50m armbrace stacks, rather than 1.25m ecto stacks).

So what you're working with is like <2% of these 'monster' wealth accounts (2 billion gold+). So go 'dupe' yourself 50+ times, and when you do, get back in line over there with a retort --->

^ FUZZY MATH...

NOBODY has 10000 armbraces....

I am not a rich "elitist" and still think people complaining about dupers are annoying and arrogant to the explanations being given.

Trader reset, when all country's severs where brought under same prices. Not an exploit.

Only powertraders are powertrading? Thats a brilliant insight. And power trading takes no time with the trade forums on this site. Put up High End with the items and check on it and for good deals for 1/2 hour a day.

Smartest thing in your post

The tinfoil hat is preventing brainwaves from reaching the keyboard. At common rates (5-10 dollars for 100k) the amounts on some of these high-end trades in is the 1000's of US dollars. If I remember correctly the selling price of the first polar bear was like 16,000 USD in gold (I had calculated it out not sure if this is right) so if people are paying out that much for pixels I fear for humanity's sake. (Racist Part Highlighted)

And also thanks WhiteWasabi for helping to explain why the poor complainers should STFU

Its really not that hard to believe that people can get this kind of wealth. One of my friends bought an everlasting phantasmal tonic when it first came out for 40k, sold for 200e, bought an unded shiro'ken for 400e, sold for 700e, etc. You just have to know what to buy/sell and it's easy.

This post was never meant to imply to those who have money that they obtained it all by ill means.

The post was to ask why known dupers were let back into the game.(*you know who you are).

That is all.

Ahh, wasabi's alt - was wondering how he responded to my post within 1 minute, when he wasn't even registered as being in the thread...
Wow, classic debunker. I remember your types in 1999, calling people conspiracy nutcases for claiming there was a 'war on oil,' or that the Wolfowitz doctorine 'emminent Pearl Harbor event/subsequent looting of the US Treasury' was further tinfoil wacko clap-trap. But I certainly digress...
SO I wear a tin-foil hat, yet *YOU* further my assertion that there are chinese sweatshop farmers selling 100k (2-4 hours labor MAX) for $5-10?

GG +1

EDIT: Since when is the truth that there are sweatshops in China set up to farm MMORPGs racist? You need to get a grasp, and realize that they are getting $0.50-$1.00 an hour TOPS to toil away in sweatshops in China, farming MMORPG's 12/7.

Your lack of acknowledging the TRUTH about Chinese slavery is more racist than stating a fact about a legitimate business enterprise in China.

Hmm you must have missed that post about the guy with 5000 armbraces and net value of 2billion. Shall I do the fuzzy math for you? 200,000 * 10,000 = 2 billion.

I am not poor nor do I care too much about rich people's opinions since it was not directed at them, rather it was directed at the dupers not being banned.

You did read the post about how you must be able to make 175k per hour for 48 straight months correct?

At great risk of destroying this thread (which isn't much of a thread anyways so who cares), I have to say that this is pathetic on so many levels. What happened to the good old days when only 2-3 guilds had gold trims and they actually meant something?

No. No we don't. And neither do you. You are randomly speculating.

there's a bunch of doods like white wasabi that did similar things. if you wanna be super rich you got to start from the beginning and stick with it. you have to always be thinking how you can make money and have friends helping each other. for some people that is fun. for others its farming, soloing, pvp, or whatever else. i doubt anyone farmed 1000 armbraces themselves. but 10000s of armbraces have been farmed, and wealth generally ends up in the hands of the smart and wealthy, so its no surprise people have 1000 arms.

People are getting defensive for about this for no reason. The point was about dupers not getting 1000 armbraces legit, although I am not sure how to power sell to 1000 armbraces or more but if you can then cudos.
I expected some flames on this one, but you are correct about speculation since I dont work for Anet and thus don't know the status of the bans.
What I do know is that it is too bad that duped items are still in the game and it demeans those who worked hard for their cash(this means you as well Wasabi since you took personal offense it seems even though none was given).

AND thats why you play 24/7 and dont do nething but GW

...neways but no people with over 2000 armbraces...thats dupe for sure.......cause i mean really you see people you never heard of that powertrades/runs missions/runs dungeons just pop out of nowhere with 2000 armbraces i mean if they pop out with a kanxai or panda sure they may have won it...but random 2000 armbraces??