Jade Quarry, leechers, and bots
Raku Clayman
I come from a PVE reference, but, I like some of the Luxon skill for PVE, so, I've been doing Jade Quarry to reach higher Faction levels. However, doing JQ is getting more and more frustrating every day. Rarely, do I get in a group that doesn't have leechers, bots, and people who drop out within seconds of getting in. I'd say 9 out of 10 are like this. It can't be that all these people are leechers who are just going along for the ride to get a few Faction points. It is my thought that the other side, in this case Kurzicks are planting someone and then dropping out so that their buddies can get max Faction points. At the risk of being called paranoid(lol), if it was just once in a while I wouldn't think this, but, for weeks it's been just about every group I go with. What's the deal?
Rhamia Darigaz
never fear raku, i am a double agent for the luxon and kurzick side. after seeing the atrocities that occur in that dark, evil forest i can assure you my loyalties lie first and foremost with the luxons.
from my time as a double agent i have reason to believe that the kurzicks are indeed planting moles deep in luxon territory to sabotage their efforts to gain glorious faction. whether their intentions are for the benefit of their fellow kurzicks or simply to wreak havoc on the morale of luxon forces is irrelevant, although i tend to believe those filthy kurzicks would act for the latter of the two motives; their sense of loyalty to their homeland is too weak to presume the former.
i have long sought for a defensive retaliative measure against this treacherous act of the kurzicks. my search, however, has thus far been in vein as i know the luxons to be morally above a barbaric mirror retaliation. the best we can do is pray to our Glorious Turtle God of Righteousness to smite down the kurzicks just as the Koopa Troopas of old smote down Mario, the foulest turtle hater known to luxon-kind.
in summary, QQ cry moar, JQ is srs bsns.
from my time as a double agent i have reason to believe that the kurzicks are indeed planting moles deep in luxon territory to sabotage their efforts to gain glorious faction. whether their intentions are for the benefit of their fellow kurzicks or simply to wreak havoc on the morale of luxon forces is irrelevant, although i tend to believe those filthy kurzicks would act for the latter of the two motives; their sense of loyalty to their homeland is too weak to presume the former.
i have long sought for a defensive retaliative measure against this treacherous act of the kurzicks. my search, however, has thus far been in vein as i know the luxons to be morally above a barbaric mirror retaliation. the best we can do is pray to our Glorious Turtle God of Righteousness to smite down the kurzicks just as the Koopa Troopas of old smote down Mario, the foulest turtle hater known to luxon-kind.
in summary, QQ cry moar, JQ is srs bsns.
Seraphim of Chaos
you're lucky that people even play JQ. a few months ago it was empty
Satu-Wyvern
There are leechers, bots and leavers on both sides...
God_Hand
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Bottom line: The problem isn't going away anytime soon, if ever.
tcratty
lol great story rhamia enjoyed reading it laughing my way thru
and jade quarry is hit or miss but the luxons seem to be pretty good in the morning american central time more wins then loses anyway
and jade quarry is hit or miss but the luxons seem to be pretty good in the morning american central time more wins then loses anyway
Edge Igneas
Yes we all know I think, though I think it was much worse a couple months ago, its tuned down a little, but still pretty open. I play on Kurzick and Luxon, but the Luxon side usually always has more leechers.
For example, in FA you usually have tons of people that can go /A for 2ndary profession and use Shadow of Haste to get back to the spawn point thats only reachable in the beginning, even if it "looks" like they are going out to battle, they will pop back into a spot where no one see's them for the rest of the match.
Sadly JQ is the same, usually always someone with a stupid name or obvious leecher traits, its just ignorant and I don't know how people can do it
The sad thing is that theres not much we can even do about it, personally I don't have time to report someone standing around when im needed down in the mine, and some people are even scared to report because they think they will get banned for over-reporting.
I think its pitiful sometimes, though Luxon's are great allies, sometimes im suprised when I see someone fighting alongside me, I think its a great player, then seconds later the same person might ditch for whatever reason. Like I saw this morning 1 person leave because 1 player didn't log in yet, then another left right because that one left, and it starts a chain. 7 on 8 or even 4 on 8 isn't impossible odds. And when it comes to the case of ditching for instance when we have leechers (because the leecher won't /resign) we are *forced* to warp out or fight. Then back in town I have to wait 30 minutes because I warped out during a fight? Come on, something is just wrong.
Personally, I can't understand the nerve of leechers, reporting is useless as they just delete the account and make another char, but the IGNORANCE of some people just gets on my nerves, like this one leecher that started to dance during the match when people reported him?
Is it REALLY that hard to fight? You will get more points when you fight, leechers and botters are disgusting people imo, and if I ever catch anyone doing it I will most likely report to their clan personally about them doing it.
For example, in FA you usually have tons of people that can go /A for 2ndary profession and use Shadow of Haste to get back to the spawn point thats only reachable in the beginning, even if it "looks" like they are going out to battle, they will pop back into a spot where no one see's them for the rest of the match.
Sadly JQ is the same, usually always someone with a stupid name or obvious leecher traits, its just ignorant and I don't know how people can do it
The sad thing is that theres not much we can even do about it, personally I don't have time to report someone standing around when im needed down in the mine, and some people are even scared to report because they think they will get banned for over-reporting.I think its pitiful sometimes, though Luxon's are great allies, sometimes im suprised when I see someone fighting alongside me, I think its a great player, then seconds later the same person might ditch for whatever reason. Like I saw this morning 1 person leave because 1 player didn't log in yet, then another left right because that one left, and it starts a chain. 7 on 8 or even 4 on 8 isn't impossible odds. And when it comes to the case of ditching for instance when we have leechers (because the leecher won't /resign) we are *forced* to warp out or fight. Then back in town I have to wait 30 minutes because I warped out during a fight? Come on, something is just wrong.
Personally, I can't understand the nerve of leechers, reporting is useless as they just delete the account and make another char, but the IGNORANCE of some people just gets on my nerves, like this one leecher that started to dance during the match when people reported him?
Is it REALLY that hard to fight? You will get more points when you fight, leechers and botters are disgusting people imo, and if I ever catch anyone doing it I will most likely report to their clan personally about them doing it.
Painbringer
Leechers and Botters are on the Guild Wars Welfare Program. Until the government (Anet/ncsoft) actually does something about it nothing will change we can complain and complain till we are red in the face. All we get is red in the face and all the leecers and botters get more and more faction
lewis91
like the other guy said, your lucky people even play JQ any more. But yeh the leechers and griefers are a huge headache, and whats worse is when you report them if no one else does you get dishonour points.
But theres been many threads opened about this and im sure this'l get a close soon enough
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But theres been many threads opened about this and im sure this'l get a close soon enough
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truemyths
I think the Guild Wars welfare program (leechers) increased with the new administration. Ask not what you can do for your luxons, but ask what your luxons can do for you!
Handouts r the new mantra!
Handouts r the new mantra!
Shayne Hawke
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Raku Clayman
Rhamia, that was really funny.
Hey, thanks all. I feel better now that I know I am not the only one who feels the way I do.
In the meantime, I got to level 7 today. I think I will stop doing JQ until Anet does a double points weekend.
I had the same problem with FA, which is 1 reason why I switched to JQ. I never knew the time when no one was doing it.
Where do I see my dishonor points? I must have a bunch.
Hey, thanks all. I feel better now that I know I am not the only one who feels the way I do.
In the meantime, I got to level 7 today. I think I will stop doing JQ until Anet does a double points weekend.
I had the same problem with FA, which is 1 reason why I switched to JQ. I never knew the time when no one was doing it.
Where do I see my dishonor points? I must have a bunch.
Ratson Itamar
You can't see your dishonor points. From my personal excperience, Luxons win more AB games and lose more JQ games. FA is really unbalanced (for the kurzicks' favor ofc) so I didn't even include it. If you just want to raise your points fast and you don't have loyalty to your current guild/alliance then I'd recommend that you switch to Kurzick, JQ gives way more points for time spent than AB.
Songbringer
Exspecially if you are a PvE player and don't like leechers. Not that JQ AB or FA is PvP. Just go vanquish. SCMQ runs happen all the time for luxons. I mean jesus the top luxon alliance has 168m faction or something. Just group with them and vanquish. For kurz 22k/30 minutes in moro trail is simple. H/H can roll it.
Gift3d
All the pvers are done botting/leeching their r12 kurzick and now everyone is botting/leeching their r12 luxons. ANet doesn't give a damn about this and they never will, that's something you have to accept as a player.
But really, quit doing cooperative PvE like JQ and invest some time in things more worthwhile. If you PvE mainly, the only real reason i can see someone farming kurz/lux faction is to increase the effectiveness of the linked PvE skills. If that's the case in your situation, just join kurzick and run the same garbage everyone else does to get quick, easy, boring faction. Unless you're one of those ridiculously absurd people who feel a certain loyalty to some silly faction in a video game, then i guess you're just SOL and i hope you get well soon.
But really, quit doing cooperative PvE like JQ and invest some time in things more worthwhile. If you PvE mainly, the only real reason i can see someone farming kurz/lux faction is to increase the effectiveness of the linked PvE skills. If that's the case in your situation, just join kurzick and run the same garbage everyone else does to get quick, easy, boring faction. Unless you're one of those ridiculously absurd people who feel a certain loyalty to some silly faction in a video game, then i guess you're just SOL and i hope you get well soon.
Raku Clayman
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All the pvers are done botting/leeching their r12 kurzick and now everyone is botting/leeching their r12 luxons. ANet doesn't give a damn about this and they never will, that's something you have to accept as a player.
But really, quit doing cooperative PvE like JQ and invest some time in things more worthwhile. If you PvE mainly, the only real reason i can see someone farming kurz/lux faction is to increase the effectiveness of the linked PvE skills. If that's the case in your situation, just join kurzick and run the same garbage everyone else does to get quick, easy, boring faction. Unless you're one of those ridiculously absurd people who feel a certain loyalty to some silly faction in a video game, then i guess you're just SOL and i hope you get well soon. |
D A R K S O I F O N
It's truly amazing how people use bots or even go as low as leeching in jq. What's the point????? It not only annoys the team but every player both luxon and kurzick that it happens to. Wish there was a way to prevent this from happening.
gw_poster
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the best we can do is pray to our Glorious Turtle God of Righteousness to smite down the kurzicks just as the Koopa Troopas of old smote down Mario, the foulest turtle hater known to luxon-kind.
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lol, he said "smote"....good stuff
Sabia
I play JQ regularly and have noticed that there are more and more leechers every day. I did 3 rounds this morning and had 2+ of them every time. Thing is, I report them, others report them, they get the dishonorable mark, but they're back as soon as the mark is gone. I emailed this complaint and was told to send screenshots/time/etc about it. I have done this, others have done this, numerous times. Nothing is done. This makes it darned frustrating for those of us who actually DO play the game. Does ArenaNet even pay attention to it's players? I see I'm not the only one with this complaint. Hopefully things will be different in GW2.
makosi
I get the feeling that there's nobody at Anet who investigates the /reports.
The rules aren't enforced in JQ (and FA) so it seems you're free to run an 'Enter Battle' macro, leech all day, then come home to max Balthazar and allegiance faction.
Without a warning or deterrent, these behaviours will continue.
The rules aren't enforced in JQ (and FA) so it seems you're free to run an 'Enter Battle' macro, leech all day, then come home to max Balthazar and allegiance faction.
Without a warning or deterrent, these behaviours will continue.
MithranArkanere
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I don't know, ask the two dishonor points I get every time I report a leech.
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And I don't mean suicide-bomber builds, which I despise too.
Don Zardeone
Autokick players with no activity for 30 seconds and let a person who is waiting replace that player. Autoreplace leavers with a waiter.
Add option for waiters to only join games that are even or have 1 point deficit.
Serves 2 purposes:
1. Teams have much higher chance of getting the full 8 player team.
2. Real leechers who are now forced to make a macro to leech (it moves them every 29 seconds) can be reported and more heavily punished.
I'm guessing the current leechers don't go heavily punished that much because the system or the guy who does the punishing doesn't know if the guy leeched or went for a biobreak.
Anecdote:
Some guy was standing around and someone reported him. I reported him, several others reported him too. More people than normal reported him. He came back with 1 minute left in the game and started calling us noobs, that he had an important phone call and started reporting everybody, including me.
Add option for waiters to only join games that are even or have 1 point deficit.
Serves 2 purposes:
1. Teams have much higher chance of getting the full 8 player team.
2. Real leechers who are now forced to make a macro to leech (it moves them every 29 seconds) can be reported and more heavily punished.
I'm guessing the current leechers don't go heavily punished that much because the system or the guy who does the punishing doesn't know if the guy leeched or went for a biobreak.
Anecdote:
Some guy was standing around and someone reported him. I reported him, several others reported him too. More people than normal reported him. He came back with 1 minute left in the game and started calling us noobs, that he had an important phone call and started reporting everybody, including me.
Dzjudz
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If you PvE mainly, the only real reason i can see someone farming kurz/lux faction is to increase the effectiveness of the linked PvE skills.
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But yeah, you can get faction much faster by vanquishing.
jazilla
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Some guy was standing around and someone reported him. I reported him, several others reported him too. More people than normal reported him. He came back with 1 minute left in the game and started calling us noobs, that he had an important phone call and started reporting everybody, including me. |
The only real fix for me was to stay out of PvP areas where the issues with players leaving/going afk/botting etc. bothered me so much that I wasn't enjoying the game. I remember when the botting was so bad in RA that I quit playing it for a while. Seems to me like the botters are slowly coming back to, but we will see.
Martin Alvito
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I don't know, ask the two dishonor points I get every time I report a leech.
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You can't see your dishonor points.
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I get the feeling that there's nobody at Anet who investigates the /reports.
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I think the biggest reason is that you need a grind title to get GWAMM.
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lemming
What bothers me the most is that even on a Saturday, an entire team reporting someone will get their attention enough for them to do something within the hour, while dozens of reports on JQ bots over an extended period of time result in a whole lot of nothing. Either the process is automated and therefore really bad, or whoever is manning the support desk only pays attention when the same individual gets reported by more than a few people at a time.
Chasing Squirrels
The big problem I find is that nobody bothers reporting the leechers and I even try to tell my team mates they usually just end up telling me to shut up.
Most people that want savior of kurz or luxon do the sc it would take ages to do it playing cm
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I think the biggest reason is that you need a grind title to get GWAMM.
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StormDragonZ
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I don't know, ask the two dishonor points I get every time I report a leech.
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dancing gnome
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Originally Posted by Painbringer
Leechers and Botters are on the Guild Wars Welfare Program. Until the government (Anet/ncsoft) actually does something about it nothing will change we can complain and complain till we are red in the face. All we get is red in the face and all the leecers and botters get more and more faction
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Coraline Jones
I seriously want to know what is ArenaNet's solution in GW2 to take away the absolutely insane amount of botting that's seen in GW1.
If the answer is seriously "Well, botting is just a fact of life in MMOs and we can't do anything about it" or "The players will police themselves with the handy Dishonor system that's so effective in GW1", then their game is broken from the start.
If the answer is seriously "Well, botting is just a fact of life in MMOs and we can't do anything about it" or "The players will police themselves with the handy Dishonor system that's so effective in GW1", then their game is broken from the start.
Iuris
For GW2, I expect part of the solution will be the much bigger maps and random events on it. A bot can prosper in a controlled environment, but if your path can take you through a heavy fight here that's never been there before, it might offer some trouble. Also, the changed nature of skills and game style - I doubt a bot will be able to synnergize with other players.
Zephyr of Light
THREAD REVIVAL
So, today i went Jade Quarry, and being surprised it seemed active.. WITH BOTS OMFG.
95% of each time i entered a battle, 12-15 players were just bots.
But even though this may stir your heart in the way "omg i can never win this"
I will give you a few tips on how too win JQ, even if you are the only real player.
This is how i made a sexy 29 win streak as being the only real player there.
Tip 1 : Go Monk, as monk you're best thing too do is keepin ONE npc (Illusion) alive as he will kill the bots quite swiftly, bring "Make Haste!" too speed up the Juggernauts/Turtles because the Necro and Mesmer bots dont have that.
Just by this tip i managed too get a boatload of wins cause my "team" was able too get points way faster, and ALWAYS had the advantage of one extra point carrier.
Tip 2 : Bodyblocking, bots have scripted pathing and AI behaviours.
Just by Bodyblocking at crucial points you can tank up as Prot monk, or Earth ele easily a bunch of Necro's and thus preventing them too score points, which equals a win.
Tip 3 : Feeling like making a Carnage?, go Wrastler's sin or Air ele as you will decimate the Caster bots really easily, and thus prevent them from capping.
But the true message is, Anet please wake the f*ck up and do something about it.
Because of this is you're attitude towards you're games im not surprised that Tabula Rasa was a FAILURE, and so will GW2 and Wildstar with your current lack of interest and policy.
Sincerly,
Zephyr
So, today i went Jade Quarry, and being surprised it seemed active.. WITH BOTS OMFG.
95% of each time i entered a battle, 12-15 players were just bots.
But even though this may stir your heart in the way "omg i can never win this"
I will give you a few tips on how too win JQ, even if you are the only real player.
This is how i made a sexy 29 win streak as being the only real player there.
Tip 1 : Go Monk, as monk you're best thing too do is keepin ONE npc (Illusion) alive as he will kill the bots quite swiftly, bring "Make Haste!" too speed up the Juggernauts/Turtles because the Necro and Mesmer bots dont have that.
Just by this tip i managed too get a boatload of wins cause my "team" was able too get points way faster, and ALWAYS had the advantage of one extra point carrier.
Tip 2 : Bodyblocking, bots have scripted pathing and AI behaviours.
Just by Bodyblocking at crucial points you can tank up as Prot monk, or Earth ele easily a bunch of Necro's and thus preventing them too score points, which equals a win.
Tip 3 : Feeling like making a Carnage?, go Wrastler's sin or Air ele as you will decimate the Caster bots really easily, and thus prevent them from capping.
But the true message is, Anet please wake the f*ck up and do something about it.
Because of this is you're attitude towards you're games im not surprised that Tabula Rasa was a FAILURE, and so will GW2 and Wildstar with your current lack of interest and policy.
Sincerly,
Zephyr
Oo D A W N
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THREAD REVIVAL
But the true message is, Anet please wake the f*ck up and do something about it. Because of this is you're attitude towards you're games im not surprised that Tabula Rasa was a FAILURE, and so will GW2 and Wildstar with your current lack of interest and policy. Sincerly, Zephyr |
fadekill
Played yesterday and was shocked by the number of N/A bots. Much rather playing FA without bots...
Adding to your second tip: If you have a second team member, try cap all shrines but the oponents ranger shrine at yellow. Body block the bots at the bottom corner of the stairs. The bots won't attack you and just use dash from time to time because all they want is the shrine.
Adding to your second tip: If you have a second team member, try cap all shrines but the oponents ranger shrine at yellow. Body block the bots at the bottom corner of the stairs. The bots won't attack you and just use dash from time to time because all they want is the shrine.
Vizi
Well there's nothing else to do than keep emailing with IGNs, screens, explain a bit, after a week or 2, do the same email with a longer list if needed. Just be careful not to include leechers (unless you see them all the time), just botters.
makosi
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Well there's nothing else to do than keep emailing with IGNs, screens, explain a bit, after a week or 2, do the same email with a longer list if needed. Just be careful not to include leechers (unless you see them all the time), just botters.
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Rubbish customer service, weak design and bad business.
Huge regret paying for deluxe GW2 to get ~30 of trying to like it. As a company, they don't deserve it.
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
someone i know in GW was banned, as someone gave a dirty link to people through her account
her account is banned now, so she has to wait to get it back
dont tell me they dont ban anymore
seems they prefer to keep bots over people who do 1 wrong thing (in this case it wasnt her doing)
thats saying alot from someone still playing GW and liking their first game.... and not caring about bots, as they at least dont scam people and destroy guilds
but since bots dont have much human actions, why not just ban them? (first looking if they actually are bots)
if i could choose between "anet doing their best to ban bots" or "more content bit by bit" i'd choose for nr2..... but if they dont ban bots, let em not ban people for 1 bad thing..... or let people suffer from dishonour only cuz they leave the teams of bots (yes, this happened to an alliance member)
her account is banned now, so she has to wait to get it back
dont tell me they dont ban anymore
seems they prefer to keep bots over people who do 1 wrong thing (in this case it wasnt her doing)
thats saying alot from someone still playing GW and liking their first game.... and not caring about bots, as they at least dont scam people and destroy guilds
but since bots dont have much human actions, why not just ban them? (first looking if they actually are bots)
if i could choose between "anet doing their best to ban bots" or "more content bit by bit" i'd choose for nr2..... but if they dont ban bots, let em not ban people for 1 bad thing..... or let people suffer from dishonour only cuz they leave the teams of bots (yes, this happened to an alliance member)
fadekill
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someone i know in GW was banned, as someone gave a dirty link to people
her account is banned now, so she has to wait to get it back dont tell me they dont ban anymore seems they prefer to keep bots over people who do 1 wrong thing (in this case it wasnt her doing) thats saying alot from someone still playing GW and liking their first game.... and not caring about bots, as they at least dont scam people and destroy guilds but since bots dont have much human actions, why not just ban them? (first looking if they actually are bots) if i could choose between "anet doing their best to ban bots" or "more content bit by bit" i'd choose for nr2..... but if they dont ban bots, let em not ban people for 1 bad thing..... or let people suffer from dishonour only cuz they leave the teams of bots (yes, this happened to an alliance member) |
cantalus
after GW2 came out, an amount of those that found it garbage started to play JQ, some reported the bots by email, and those bots were banned, however around last christmas anet support stopped responding to emailed reports other than with automated replies, the bots returned, and have become epidemic
i've been told that running a bot 24/7 gets botters 100 zkeys a day, i've no idea, but that's the motivation, not titles, well, not faction titles, and mostly they're from guilds like [MATH], [一一一一], [アェメ], [wO] and [G人巾モ] the sorta guilds who's members ran bots in the end days of activity in HA and now sync HA
i've been told that running a bot 24/7 gets botters 100 zkeys a day, i've no idea, but that's the motivation, not titles, well, not faction titles, and mostly they're from guilds like [MATH], [一一一一], [アェメ], [wO] and [G人巾モ] the sorta guilds who's members ran bots in the end days of activity in HA and now sync HA
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
well, tbh i'm more worried about the goldsellers and scammers through account and the ones with trims
reason is, cuz goldsellers and scammers through account (goldsellers being 1 of them) will ask for your stuff, be it info of your account or reallife, and the trimscammers take over guilds
i'd say: anet, at least go after those if you wont follow the bots, so that people wont lose bigger things than the chance of getting a good or bad team in pvp due to bots
i think its more important to save and protect accounts and guilds, than it is to let people play 1 part of the game better, be it with or without double point weeks
@cantalus dont forget the ones holding house zu heltzer and cavalon (probably more, but those have way too many bots as i've heard and seen)
reason is, cuz goldsellers and scammers through account (goldsellers being 1 of them) will ask for your stuff, be it info of your account or reallife, and the trimscammers take over guilds
i'd say: anet, at least go after those if you wont follow the bots, so that people wont lose bigger things than the chance of getting a good or bad team in pvp due to bots
i think its more important to save and protect accounts and guilds, than it is to let people play 1 part of the game better, be it with or without double point weeks
@cantalus dont forget the ones holding house zu heltzer and cavalon (probably more, but those have way too many bots as i've heard and seen)