HM/Vanquish With Sabway?
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Cummins Turbo Diesel
If the PvXwiki build is garbage, what skills should my heros running?
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help. Nah, its not.
This myth is spread by terrible players who dont understand what the word Optional means. Don't listen to those noobs.
Applies to Discord too, they dont know whats wrong with it (because nothing is) they just repeat after eachover.
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help. Nah, its not.
This myth is spread by terrible players who dont understand what the word Optional means. Don't listen to those noobs.
Applies to Discord too, they dont know whats wrong with it (because nothing is) they just repeat after eachover.
Xenomortis
I count a lack of BotM as a flaw.
And it used to contain Rotting Flesh, which was disgraceful
And it used to contain Rotting Flesh, which was disgraceful
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Cummins Turbo Diesel
If the PvXwiki build is garbage, what skills should my heros running?
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help. Nothing complicated with Discord, you just have to remember the main rule that Discordway is about spamming Discord.
Common mistake is that people forget about it and flood their bars with all the crap, triple putrid biles, barbs, vile miasma, orders, splinter, physicals with over 2 pips of energy regen don't run the AP caller. End result is that instead of killing stuff with Discord their team spends 90% of time buffing melee or spamming useless shit.
Why Discord is considered superior to Sabway? Because while having less AoE damage than Sabway it takes down any mob in a second without any real downtime between kills, so you gain huge advantage against tougher mobs like Djinn bosses. Knocklock from caller > amazingly good hero AI (yes I'm serious) reacts to their Discord being primed in seconds > *poof* boss gone before he could say "Searing Flames".
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help. Nothing complicated with Discord, you just have to remember the main rule that Discordway is about spamming Discord.
Common mistake is that people forget about it and flood their bars with all the crap, triple putrid biles, barbs, vile miasma, orders, splinter, physicals with over 2 pips of energy regen don't run the AP caller. End result is that instead of killing stuff with Discord their team spends 90% of time buffing melee or spamming useless shit.
Why Discord is considered superior to Sabway? Because while having less AoE damage than Sabway it takes down any mob in a second without any real downtime between kills, so you gain huge advantage against tougher mobs like Djinn bosses. Knocklock from caller > amazingly good hero AI (yes I'm serious) reacts to their Discord being primed in seconds > *poof* boss gone before he could say "Searing Flames".
Paul Dawg
I already said: [barbs]. It works more reliably than [mark of pain]. Sure, a well-placed [mark of pain] on a mark who lives exactly 19.9 seconds does a lot of damage. But too often it doesn't really work as planned; remember, you're trusting your HERO to know how and when to do it. The risk with [barbs] is much lower because of the quick recharge.
I'm not saying [mark of pain] is bad; I'm just responding to someone who said you'd have to be a fool not to bring it. (Sab, from what I've read, has never been an all-out [mark of pain] fan either.)
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
I'm not saying [mark of pain] is bad; I'm just responding to someone who said you'd have to be a fool not to bring it. (Sab, from what I've read, has never been an all-out [mark of pain] fan either.)
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I would like to know what you would take in place of MoP.
Xenomortis
Oh, I thought we were talking about a human player, given that it was started from here:
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Originally Posted by fb_7
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[N/Me;OAVCY8xUewSgQjcZV1N4uzuI] Heroes are crap at hex placement, so unless you micro it, MoP will rarely produce the desired result. If you can't fit it on the bar, then don't bother bringing it.
Oh, and please stop putting the relevant quotes after your post. It can be confusing.
Xenomortis
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
Yes, because entering every fight without minions is wonderful.
Having your MM kill himself with BoTM or running just one MM is even more wonderful.
Try running your Discord with one main MM and one/two Shambling Horrors on the other two necores, you exploit mobs faster and always have quite allot of minions left when entering next battle.
Try running your Discord with one main MM and one/two Shambling Horrors on the other two necores, you exploit mobs faster and always have quite allot of minions left when entering next battle.
Xenomortis
I've never had an issue with a hero killing themselves with BotM, especially in battle. They're far too busy spamming Discord, I've never noticed them casting BotM (although they rarely ever cast it).
I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.
I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.
Cherng Butter
You don't need BoTM if you don't fall asleep after each encounter. Run Shambling on the non-MM's, you'll have a fun little army that will stay alive, and the /rt is there for spot heals.
What's with all the melee hate w/ respect to discordway? I find discordway miles more effective than sabway (same defense, better offense), and running Asuran Scan on an Enduring Scythe lets me spam hexes and call just as much as AP casters. Running 3 quick-activation energy attack skills w/ a speedboost lets me contribute to the spike effectively.
It's probably not as good as a player caster, but I wouldn't say it "sucks."
What's with all the melee hate w/ respect to discordway? I find discordway miles more effective than sabway (same defense, better offense), and running Asuran Scan on an Enduring Scythe lets me spam hexes and call just as much as AP casters. Running 3 quick-activation energy attack skills w/ a speedboost lets me contribute to the spike effectively.
It's probably not as good as a player caster, but I wouldn't say it "sucks."
Daesu
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Following your post trend, here is my reply to you: "If your MM sucks so much that means you have a bad setup!"
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Why the old Discord on PvX caused so much drama on Gurus is because it first had a necro suggested for a player who had all the goodies but then the necro got replaced with the generic AP Caller but nobody bothered to update the hero bars for the change so it sat there with Rotting Flesh up until I fixed it to what it is now and all the complaints have stopped.
Face it, the old pvx discord just sucks crap even more and you were still happily bragging here to everyone that it was your build, I nearly laughed my socks off when I saw your posts back then.  All the complaints have not stopped, you just shut your ears and refuses to listen to any of them that's all.Quote:
You misunderstood my post read it again.
You won't have any problem with BoTM with a single MM when you have more than 10 minions however, it is troublesome because the sac is large and they spam it inside battle. They won't "kill themselves" because Anet said to fix their AI with that but I see no reason to run a spell you dont need that will remove 25%+ of their hp mid-battle. What I'm saying in my post is that I hate running single MM with Discord. You get more corpses availible than a single MM can cope with, that means that you spend time outside battle, and one of your heroes has to spend less time using Discord. If you run more than one MM BoTM's sac becomes too large and it's not worth it. Quote: |
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That is the most ridiculous shit I have ever seen you spew. My MM has never sacrificed himself to death with BoTM before.
Following your post trend, here is my reply to you: "If your MM sucks so much that means you have a bad setup!" Daesu learn to read ok?
But if you run BoTM with a minion bomber, you fail.
Following your post trend, here is my reply to you: "If your MM sucks so much that means you have a bad setup!" Daesu learn to read ok?
But if you run BoTM with a minion bomber, you fail.
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Originally Posted by Daesu
Face it, the old pvx discord just sucks crap even more and you were still happily bragging here to everyone that it was your build, I nearly laughed my socks off when I saw your posts back then. All the complaints have not stopped, you just shut your ears and refuses to listen to any of them that's all.
LOL Face another one of your lies? Old pvx build wasn't my build. I wasn't happy about the article like the rest thats why I fixed it, rest of pvx didn't give shit and guru just kept fighting with each other anyway. It is easy enough to see date of revisions on the wiki and compare them to when the complaint threads have been opened and you will see that they were opened before I fixed the old Discord. So just quit making things up. Quote:
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
I'm just aware that there can be some long delays between encounters and it's best to have a minion wall that can actually reach their targets before being nuked to death.
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If you have made up your mind to use it, go ahead.Quote:
PS alone can't replace a minion wall. We are not talking about tank and spank here.
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