Can someone help me I don't know why I am dieing all the time

Junato

Junato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Between J&K spending time at the spacebar

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A/D

This is my ogden's skill bar
[build=OwYTksGD3BZEXBJfkSCrolETAA]

This is my tahlkora's skill bar
[build=OwUTM02C1JDQEir01WCI5jETAA]

This is my Mox skill bar
[build=Ogej8ZpM7OMXo7B0lNglulXBAA]

This is my skillbar
[build=OwFj0tf6oSxgDQdPNMHM7PRPuMA]


So here is the problem... I have been farming in jahai bluffs, because there are a lot of bosses there that need to be killed. However, I die constantly.

This is what I am doing.
I am usually the one who picks out the healer in the group and focus all my heroes to kill it and then I just let them work out the rest. The only thing that I am not conscious about is if my choice of heroes and their skills are appropriate. Can someone help me with that.

talisk3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2008

[YUM]

R/

[Healer's Boon] increases the health gained. You really only have a few healing spells. So it's not a good elite choice. [Word of Healing] is amazing and will save you many times over.
M.O.X has no elite. So take a different hero. Maybe a support Paragon. But really if you just bring 1 hero monk and 1 henchmen monk you should be fine. No need to waste 2 heroes on monks.
Also, add runes/insignia's to you AND your heroes. Don't forget henchmen :P

riktw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

netherlands

Mo/E

get stone daggers out of ogdens bar please.
if you need insperation on builds for heroes, go to pvxwiki

Buns United

Buns United

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Holland, ZHZ

R/W

You have no protection prayers on your monks' bars.

Your sin will probably run out of energy, and will need to spam critical strike, instead of death blossom. (Also, no ias.)

If you really want to make it easy for yourself, I'd suggest trying Sabway.

Either way, experiment some! See what works, and what doesn't. It may seem like healing breeze (for example) is an awesome skill now. But stay open to suggestions, and try some variations yourself.

Thor Tyr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Spartan Red Team [SRT]

Mo/A

this is what i use on my hero monk

[build=OwYT043A5Zj87kITfkxHJuiGBA]

and if i am running 2 hero monks this is the other build

[build=OwAS8YIPCkZyKhiUPmIb6YC]

this is what i run on my sin

[build=OwBj0tf2IT6P1g/PVQMMHM4OYcA]

these builds could help you stay alive

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

[no elite]-NO
[resurrect]-Really No
[stone daggers]-For the love of _______ NOO

riceangel

riceangel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2008

Floirda

[ASH]IGN: Tokyo Hina

W/E

Two hb monks arent necessary,two healing monks will heal the same target(which isnt necessary) and cause a countinous waste of energy, and then dead people. If those healing monks where WoH hybrids it would keep you alive better,hb isnt used to its full effectiveness when specced into another attribute.A protection or support character(such as a paragon,earth ele,or hybrid mm) along side ur HB is enough to keep u alive.

Your HB bars arent sturdy enough, ogdens bar only has one heal that is boosted by HB.The main advantage is the huge heals that are made by HB, healing breeze isnt a strong heal. A build like Thor's above me is a good choice for a single HB monk.(Also whats with the stone daggers?)

Also in PvE, enemy healers usually arent even that strong, so while u charge at them,u let the rest of the mob attack walk past you and kill ur backline, so pick the weakest enemy that is a threat(such as an assassin or elementalist<--these hurt in harder areas) and destroy it quickly,once u eliminate a couple of them its pretty easy.

[Morkai]

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor Tyr View Post
this is what i use on my hero monk

[build=OwYT043A5Zj87kITfkxHJuiGBA]

and if i am running 2 hero monks this is the other build

[build=OwAS8YIPCkZyKhiUPmIb6YC]

this is what i run on my sin

[build=OwBj0tf2IT6P1g/PVQMMHM4OYcA]

these builds could help you stay alive Why do you run [RC] and [Dismiss Condition]?

Also OP: try refining your hero bars, you have 24 skill slots to work with, so make sure each skill is worth it's slot on the bar.

Usually on a monk hero i like to bring 3 Heal spells, for example [WoH][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss]. 2 Utlity spells; [Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex], and usually some prot, [Aegis][Protective Spirit].

Also, i'd avoid melee heroes, they're rather bad at what they're supposed to do.

BrettM

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

For the love of Dwayna, set your hero monks to Avoid Combat. They shouldn't be fighting at all, much less trying to sling Stone Daggers around. Let them concentrate on keeping the party healed. I not only set my hero monks to Avoid, I also give them caster-modded spears and a healing or protting focus.

Thor Tyr

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Spartan Red Team [SRT]

Mo/A

the rc monk i usually only use where i know there are alot of conditions other then that i would run a hench monk

Daesu

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

Sorry but your hero builds are the most terrible that I have ever seen. Spammable stone daggers to drain your healing monk's energy on a weak attack with only 6 earth magic? No condition removal to support your melee? Heal party instead of direct healing spells that synergize with divine favor from a primary monk? Healing Breezes? Mox's bar is terrible too and no elite?

TheodenKing

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

N/Me

For starters, "Dying" not "dieing."

A lot of fail on your hero bars. Too much for adjusting... you need to scrap them and start over.

Go to pvxwiki and find sabway and discordway. Run one of those on your heores. Once you see how effective they are, you can tweak them to your liking. Also on that note, heroes don't know how to use [glyph of lesser energy] correctly. So even if you don't use a pvxwiki build, make one that doesn't need the glyph for energy management.

Regarding your skillbar, realize that if you are running [save yourselves], that means you are giving +100 armor to your heroes and making yourself very soft in comparison. SY is a great skill... but if YOU are dying quickly, consider not making yourself such a target.

Junato

Junato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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I did not know I would get so much attention out of this thread.
Anywho, I was planning on having 2 heroes Ogden and tahlkora, but the paragon speech from someone gave me some insight.

By the way My ogden is always at avoid combat.

Kenzo Skunk

Kenzo Skunk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rebirth]

This is all you`ll ever need from a monk hero. You could switch [Dwayna's Kiss]for [Protective Spirit] if you want more prot and if foes deal massive damage. And this one will cover most of the areas/missions. No need to waste two hero slots on two monks. Take damage dealers instead.

brakner

brakner

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Vancouver, B.C.

Glade Runners [GR]

R/P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenzo Skunk
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[Word of Healing][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Rebirth]

This is all you`ll ever need from a monk hero. You could switch [Dwayna's Kiss]for [Protective Spirit] if you want more prot and if foes deal massive damage. And this one will cover most of the areas/missions. No need to waste two hero slots on two monks. Take damage dealers instead. Have you noticed Dunk is a bit of an idiot when it comes to [Patient Spirit]? I take 100 damage, he cast it on me, doesn’t see a healing result so cast [Word of Healing]. I then see like 5 green numbers over my head for like 300+ healing including Divine bonus. Complete waste of energy and now I have 2 skills on recharge , I changed it for [Words of Comfort] because he’s clueless it seems.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor Tyr
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the rc monk i usually only use where i know there are alot of conditions other then that i would run a hench monk Still....why would you use RC and dismiss condition? RC has a 2 second recharge, there's no reason for dismiss.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Yeah, I hate patient spirit on heroes, unless I'm running something stupid like [Healer's Covenant]. I don't know how that UA wiki build got 5'd considering how fast heros whip through energy with useless patients. Then again I generally don't like non-smiter monk heroes at all, and run either n/rts, n/mos, or Renewal prot spammers. Infinite energy > infinite hero stupidity.

Jensy

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

No, no no no no. Why do people take rez skills on monks? Rez skills are for other heroes! /poing

[Word of healing][protective spirit][dismiss condition][remove hex][patient spirit][reversal of fortune][aegis][glyph of lesser energy]

14 healing, 10 prot, 10 divine. Can also change out PS for [Spirit Bond]

Seriously, don't take a rez on your monks Rezzes eat up energy, if your monk is too busy rezzing everyone guess what, yep no energy to heal your party.

Also, for the love of god, if you MUST give them a rez, give them [resurrection chant]. Rebirth kills the entire energy pool, and resurrect... I think I'd just prefer if it I were left for dead, than be rezzed with that x_x

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

lol, with these heroes no wonder you die alot.

[build prof=a/w box dagger=14 crit=13][critical agility][critical eye][brawling headbutt][golden fox strike][wild strike][moebius strike][death blossom][save yourselves!][/build]
[build prof=mo/e box heal=14 prot=10 divine=10][word of healing][dwayna's kiss][dismiss condition][protective spirit][guardian][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy][aegis][/build]
[build prof=mo/rt box smite=14 chan=10 divine=9][ray of judgment][splinter weapon][smite condition][smite hex][reversal of damage][smiters boon][strength of honor][death pact signet][/build]
[build prof=d/n box mysticism=12 blood=11 wind=10][arcane zeal][order of pain][dark fury][watchful intervention][faithful intervention][vow of piety][imbue health][mystic healing][/build]

Here, same setup of dual monk and a derv but with much more dommages and surviveability. If you still die with this urbad.

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by riktw View Post
yes, even more specific:
HB build:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Mo/E...7s_Boon_Healer
Derv build:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build/any_PvE_Avatar_of_Melandru

more questions, just say it I think it's better to let the OP have his choice of builds from a variety that works instead of specifically telling him which to run. I like to give people freedom of choice. Just guide that choice to some right decisions instead of making it for him/her.

Junato

Junato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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Too much choice! I guess I will have to try them all..