GW-Guru - for the users - or the moderators - bumping

Having a life - people (like me) want to bump our threads once a day (without having to watch our clock om the second) - and if we have a life - we will not be able to bump on exactly 24 hours - which means that we sometimes have to stay up to be able to bump. Some days its not possible to bump before next morning (or in the evening - depends on when we think its the best time for bumping).
And sometimes the clock does not match - so people try their best to maintain the 24 hours - but fail because of the clock. I have run countless threads in Buy, Sell and High-end both before and after becoming a moderator, so I know hitting the 24 hour mark can be difficult. No one is going to ban you for a few minutes, but if you are prevented from bumping at the 24 hour mark it will keep until the morning, afternoon or even evening as your schedule allows, it is not the end of the world.

The clock argument I simply do not understand:
Quick Links -> Edit Options -> Date & Time Options
Now your time zone is always adjusted to your local time zone when you log in to bump your thread. Claiming issues with the clock made you bump early is no excuse!

In theory, we could change the bumping rule,- it would not really matter as long the rule applied to everyone and was enforced by the moderators.

But, all the problems would remain unchanged:
"I only bumped my thread 1 hour early and you banned me". This complaint is not in any way reliant on the bump mark being 10, 12, 22 or 24 hours.
Some people learn to respect the rules (even if they do not agree with them), some people will try to bent the rules to suit their purposes and some people will break the rules no matter what they are.

24 hours is by far the easiest rule for everyone to remember as it should correspond to our other daily schedules.

But actually the far most easy rule are to make it possible to allow one bump every day (dato based)
- then it will be much more userfriendly
- because everyone can remember if they have bumped their thread today - or yesterday
- it will make the same amounts of bumps
- and less banning i guess... The moderators clocks are also adjusted to the local time zone in our respective countries. We would have to do countless calculations when moderating to determine if the daily bumps were placed correctly in relation to each users time zone. This is simply not doable and in no way "easy".
It would also allow people to submit their thread just before midnight and then bump it one hour later,- and trust me they would!
I have closed a lot of threads where the user thought the rules allowed a daily bump and had bumped within two hours of submitting it.

Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind To be honest it's usually not that much of a problem, simply add some ---- to fill it up. I will however look into the possibility of having the restriction removed in Ventari's. ok cool , would make it alot tidier if it was removed in there Arkantos The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2006 W/ 04 Apr 2009 at 05:29 - 17 Quote:

i take it you never go into the ventari section then lol I do. The rule is reasonable and easy to follow. People just choose to not follow it. Every person who is capable of reading the date is fully capable of following the rule. Stop The Storm Keeping DoA Alive Join Date: Jan 2007 England Were In [DoA] A/N 04 Apr 2009 at 13:12 - 18 Quote: Originally Posted by Arkantos I do. The rule is reasonable and easy to follow. People just choose to not follow it. Every person who is capable of reading the date is fully capable of following the rule. noones disputing that? dont really understand where youre coming from. Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) E/ 04 Apr 2009 at 14:39 - 19 Stop The Storm: We have spend a great deal of time in the above posts explaining why the 24 hour rule is the best interval possible. That it should be the easiest to remember and the most logical to understand. Exactly what are you arguing here? Stop The Storm Keeping DoA Alive Join Date: Jan 2007 England Were In [DoA] A/N 04 Apr 2009 at 21:19 - 20 hes going on about how the rule is simple to follow and that its not hard to follow the rules etc etc... ive not disputed that anywhere in this thread. all that ive said is that its not needed in ventaris, which it isnt. then he went off about stuff that had no rellevance to what id said. Eragon Zarroc Atra estern?? ono thelduin Join Date: Jan 2008 Madness Incarnate [Duo] W/P 04 Apr 2009 at 22:50 - 21 any tolerence on the rule will lead to people trying to post sooner and sooner, arguing that the time is close enough. It is unfortunate that mods have to be so strict, but is necessary to maintain order. Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005 05 Apr 2009 at 12:03 - 22 Being a former ventaris mod (and a fairly strict one) changing the bump time would have no impact what so ever. I allowed a 15min deviation from the rule max. Funny thing about most early bumpers is they were still online when their bump was due. Most bans were easily avoidable. Repeat offenders were the most annoying, and suffered for it. I was 'recruited' when the relaxed rules were in effect, and the place was a quagmire of badness. Stuey and I done a good job of moping it up though I loved the people who deleted bumps then played stupid afterwards. Good times Miss the abusive PMs too, made me chuckle. Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) E/ 05 Apr 2009 at 15:13 - 23 Quote: Originally Posted by Stop The Storm hes going on about how the rule is simple to follow and that its not hard to follow the rules etc etc... ive not disputed that anywhere in this thread. all that ive said is that its not needed in ventaris, which it isnt. then he went off about stuff that had no rellevance to what id said. Arkantos was posting in relation to the original topic of the thread (the 24 hour bump rule), not your post about the 12-character rule. The 12-character rule may not be needed in Ventari's, but neither does it constitute a big inconvenience there. Messy huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila Guildless R/ 05 Apr 2009 at 15:55 - 24 I missed this thread and *I* was the culprit The guy was banned because the bump he deleted was early, and on top of it he bumped it again (the 2 m early bump). There was a bump on: Mar 24, 2009, 02:11 PM and then the deleted bump: Mar 25, 2009, 12:43 PM that is 90 m early, not 2 minutes, and the reason for the ban. if we changed the bump rule to 22 hours, then people would bump their threads after 20 hours. Each post has the time you posted. Check the time of your last post and there should be no reason to bump it too early. Snow Bunny Alcoholic From Yale Join Date: Jul 2007 Strong Foreign Policy [sFp] 07 Apr 2009 at 04:24 - 25 edit. so apparently the digital clock in my room is an hour fast kawksmashed REDdelver Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Girls Pee Pee When They See [ME] N/Mo 07 Apr 2009 at 17:35 - 26 I'd rather see the some of the mod's sayings be addressed. i.e. I've seen "people are stupid" as tags. And something along lines of you cant escape my thread lock. If i was working at a company and had a "people are stupid" sign in my office, i bet that wouldnt sit well with the companies image. I dont feel as though its a good idea for mod's to represent their own forum in either negative or brash ways. Kattar EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING Join Date: Mar 2007 SMS (lolgw2placeholder) Me/ 07 Apr 2009 at 18:11 - 27 If you can't take a joke, you should probably disconnect your machine from the internet. Faer La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo Join Date: Feb 2006 07 Apr 2009 at 18:15 - 28 Quote: Originally Posted by eskerod and if we have a life - we will not be able to bump on exactly 24 hours If someone has a life, then keeping their "I'm selling/buying XYZ in an imaginary digital world" threads at the top of a community discussion forum shouldn't be that high on their priority list, wouldn't you think? It won't hurt these people with lives if they let their thread sink a few pages for a day. Rules are meant to be followed. REDdelver Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Girls Pee Pee When They See [ME] N/Mo 07 Apr 2009 at 18:26 - 29 ...i know i read some posts about being fair. I'm sure some users who have been banned or had certain threads closed wish they would have the right to say... If you cant take a joke........ Definite issues there... Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) E/ 07 Apr 2009 at 18:58 - 30 REDdelever: We do not limit our moderator's right to creativity concerning their signatures or custom user titles AS LONG as these do not cross certain lines. "people are stupid" - is something of a catch phrase for the TV character portrayed the same moderator's avatar. The statement does not suggest that any particular person is more stupid than another. If I do not feel insulted,- neither should you. "you can troll you can spam but you can't, escape, my thread lock" - all this really says is: you can break the rules, but I will stop you if you do". What exactly do you think is wrong about that? You also forgot my signature, which implies that some people are slow learners where rules and guidelines are concerned and lead such unfortunates to knowledge. A statement I stand by, as I have enough proof to fill a book. This is not a company. All our moderators lend a hand here in their spare time. As such we do not require: suits, ties, certain hair styles or conform user titles/avatars/signatures. You seem to suggest that the rules do not apply equally (if you can't take a joke). May I remind you that the moderator's function here is to keep: threads on topic insulting or provocative comments out useless or redundant threads from taking up space users from breaking the rules to gain trade advantage etc. We do not delete comments or threads for personal reasons, we do so to keep things fair, polite and and on topic. If, by fair you mean you get to decide what you can and cannot do: you are right! As I have said before, this forum is not a democracy! We do however have sound reason for all our policies, and we are not afraid to discuss our actions if you do not understand these. As it has been stated many times: if you feel a moderator has treated you unfairly, talk to him. If the two of you can't reach an agreement and you still feel wronged: write to an administrator. REDdelver Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Girls Pee Pee When They See [ME] N/Mo 07 Apr 2009 at 19:15 - 31 Quote:

If I do not feel insulted,- neither should you. Thank you for proving my point about there are some issues that could be addressed. Please dont ever tell me how i should feel or not feel. This is not your MOD given right. (or your god given right) And as far as creativity...its not creative to be brash. And you can remind me all you want on what a moderator function here is. The fact still remains, moderators need to carry themselves in a way that reflects what you want users to do on the forums. For some to say ...iF you cant take a joke, then you should disconnect could be somewhat expected from teenagers, not a mod on a forum. ITs not polite....yet you just said about keeping things polite. I never said i had a problem with a specific mod. I simply disagree with some tags/signatures. I feel as though these can insult others, i have no problem bringing it up as an issue. I didnt try to call in the National Guard. Kattar EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING Join Date: Mar 2007 SMS (lolgw2placeholder) Me/ 07 Apr 2009 at 19:30 - 32 We have a number of policies here on this forum. Many of them have already been mentioned throughout the rest of this thread and other threads as of late. One of the main precepts here is that if you have a problem, you take it to that person directly. You do not post publicly in a thread. There is no need for the entire community to be brought in on something that is between you and one other person or a few other people. It only serves to call public attention to whatever issue you may have, which is unneeded. This is not a democracy, so it doesn't matter if everyone else agrees with you or not. If you believe someone is acting in a manner that is unacceptable for whatever reason, please contact them. If you don't feel you're making any progress with that person, or do not want to contact them directly, contact our administrative staff. Inde is the chief admin among that group. I am sure they would be happy to take care of any issues you might have. But let me reiterate: if you have a problem, do not post it. Violating the guidelines of this forum is no way to ingratiate yourself with the staff or get your problem sorted out quickly. Contact the appropriate people directly. Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) E/ 07 Apr 2009 at 19:31 - 33 Quote: Originally Posted by REDdelver Thank you for proving my point about there are some issues that could be addressed. Please dont ever tell me how i should feel or not feel. This is not your MOD given right. (or your god given right)