How to best capitalize on mesmer heroes use of epidemic

Enchanted Warrior

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W/Mo

06 Apr 2009 at 20:32 - 1
Gwen is setup as follows.

[Gwen;OQBEAbkCOIcQP74EKksyTA]

Template critiques aside, how can a curses necro (player) best capitalize on on her use of Epidemic. Rotting flesh is my thought, but it can take a while to cast (even with Modti's dep staff and the double 1/2 casting time mods)


Side note: Why does it say pvp build? I never pvp. does this mean there is a pvp altered skill?

Nightow

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06 Apr 2009 at 20:42 - 2
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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior View Post
Gwen is setup as follows.

Side note: Why does it say pvp build? I never pvp. does this mean there is a pvp altered skill?
Energy Drain has a PvE version. The stickied guide in campfire should show you how to put it in as the PvE version.

Enchanted Warrior

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06 Apr 2009 at 20:48 - 3
Thanks Nightow, will give it a look.

MisterB

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06 Apr 2009 at 20:51 - 4
[Energy Drain (PVE)]

[Gwen pve;OQBEAbkCOIcQP74EKksyTA]

Eragon Zarroc

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06 Apr 2009 at 21:29 - 5
[enfeeble] for widespread weakness, [rip enchantment] for bleeding, [plague sending] to use their conditions against them, [weaken armor] for widespread cracked armor. All curses attribute. I suggest [enfeeble]+[weaken armor] ;-) long durations, softens their armor, softens their dmg output. Use other curse hex skills for widespread pressure degen.

Enchanted Warrior

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W/Mo

06 Apr 2009 at 21:45 - 6
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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc View Post
Use other curse hex skills for widespread pressure degen. Good job, I do use WA, and Enfeeble. I'm thinking Suffering would be good to add as it's already an aoe.

*goes off to buy skills lol*

Update: My first pass at template based on Eragon's suggestions. With runes etc, my curses is 15. And I use Modti's Dep as my staff.

[necro;OANCY8xkMBpIN5uzngdAbA/C]

Marth Reynolds

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06 Apr 2009 at 22:07 - 7
If you're bringing gwen along and you run those conditions yourself you can consider using [Fevered Dreams] alongside [Epidemic] not to sure how heroes use it tough, i just used myself mostly and it's nice for spreading the conditions better.

For the Necro build, if you wanna use [Plague Sending] there's 1 skill wich makes it a ton better [Foul Feast].
Personally i wanna try and get [Contagion] in one of these set ups but it just doesn't seem to be worth it :/

Eragon Zarroc

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06 Apr 2009 at 22:19 - 8
i would replace [light of deldrimor][i am unstoppable][wail of doom] for [lingering curse][well of silence][necrosis] u shouldn't be in the middle of mobs, so LoD and IAU don't seem too useful. wail doesn't last enough to be effective beyond quick spikes and it seems ur aiming more for pressure. between the well, lingering, and suffering, u should be able to keep 5-8 pips degen going steady. and i would definitely follow marth's suggestion for taking [fevered dreams] with [epidemic] pwnage ;-) but be sure to give gwen something else for e-management since she won't have e-drain. i'd take out [signet of weariness] because energy denial on monsters is a lost cause ;-)

zelgadissan

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06 Apr 2009 at 22:32 - 9
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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior View Post
how can a curses necro (player) best capitalize on on her use of Epidemic. Rotting flesh is my thought Just so you know, Disease (therefore Rotting Flesh) spreads to any nearby enemy of the same kind, while Epidemic's range of adjacent is smaller. Epidemic would be pointless for only Disease, especially when the mobs with multiple species in it are very few and far between.

That's really all I can say since you said to ignore Gwen's template

Enchanted Warrior

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06 Apr 2009 at 22:48 - 10
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan View Post
Just so you know, Disease (therefore Rotting Flesh) spreads to any nearby enemy of the same kind, while Epidemic's range of adjacent is smaller. Epidemic would be pointless for only Disease, especially when the mobs with multiple species in it are very few and far between.

That's really all I can say since you said to ignore Gwen's template
Thanks LOL I've seen too many threads degrade into flame wars over templates.


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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc View Post
i would replace [light of deldrimor][i am unstoppable][wail of doom] for [lingering curse][well of silence][necrosis] u shouldn't be in the middle of mobs, so LoD and IAU don't seem too useful. wail doesn't last enough to be effective beyond quick spikes and it seems ur aiming more for pressure. between the well, lingering, and suffering, u should be able to keep 5-8 pips degen going steady. and i would definitely follow marth's suggestion for taking [fevered dreams] with [epidemic] pwnage ;-) but be sure to give gwen something else for e-management since she won't have e-drain. i'd take out [signet of weariness] because energy denial on monsters is a lost cause ;-) I have LOD for the +70 holy it does and finding treasure etc, in dungeons, and lately Necros seem to have a bullseye on them, (but I'll take the heat if it means no more necro nerfs lol). But I see your point.

I'm going to try this:
[necro;OANCY8xkMBf2N4uzngdAbgjA]

Will [Enfeebling Blood] work as good or better than [Enfeeble]?

Chthon

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07 Apr 2009 at 01:25 - 11
Uhh...

1. Disease automatically infects adjacent foes, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

2. Enfeebling Blood has a far bigger AoE ranger than Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for weakness. (Yes, EB is much better then Enfeeble.)

3. Weaken Armor has an AoE range equal to Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

4. Bleeding is so weak it's not worth spreading around.

5. If you really want to spread conditions, use Extend Conditions. In that case, for a hero I'd suggest a Me/E with EC, Glyph of Immolation, Steam, Phantom Pain, and Drain Delusions for starters. That way the hero produces their own AoE blind, deep wound, and burning. For your build, go to the PvE skills for cripple (YMLAD) and dazed (Technobabble).

Enchanted Warrior

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07 Apr 2009 at 03:14 - 12
Is there any correlation between [Mark of Rodgort] and hexes of some sort? Whereas having your Ele/* hero use MOR, helps a necro somewhow? i.e "already suffering from a hex..."

Enchanted Warrior

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07 Apr 2009 at 03:17 - 13
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Originally Posted by Chthon View Post
Uhh...

1. Disease automatically infects adjacent foes, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

2. Enfeebling Blood has a far bigger AoE ranger than Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for weakness. (Yes, EB is much better then Enfeeble.)

3. Weaken Armor has an AoE range equal to Epidemic, so Epidemic is worthless for it.

4. Bleeding is so weak it's not worth spreading around.

5. If you really want to spread conditions, use Extend Conditions. In that case, for a hero I'd suggest a Me/E with EC, Glyph of Immolation, Steam, Phantom Pain, and Drain Delusions for starters. That way the hero produces their own AoE blind, deep wound, and burning. For your build, go to the PvE skills for cripple (YMLAD) and dazed (Technobabble). EC? YMLAD? Sorry not up on all the acronyms.

Paul Dawg

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07 Apr 2009 at 03:56 - 14
EC and YMLAD are [extend conditions] and ["you move like a dwarf!"].

In my experience, heroes are kinda crappy at using [epidemic].