Hey all, I am having an issue....
I am running into these monks in this area, and they are able to heal themsevles without wasting any energy... This is the only thing standing between us and a 2 man full vanq every 45-55 minutes...
The combo I am up against:
[Healing Light][Mending][Signet of Devotion][Signet of Rejuvenation]
Our Build Set:
- I am running a 600/Smite Duo
- Smite can not be touched since you have to have [[Purge Signet], [[Blessed Signet] and [[BiP]
- 600 has to have its standard 4...
- Open slots can not be filled due to 2 man farm for drops...
So I can only have 1 skill on the bar to kill this thing... does it even exist?
Skills that work:
[[Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]] (w/ wanding from both players)
Skill that have not been tried:
[[Ebon Vanguard Sniper [email protected]]
Skills Tried (but failed):
[[Pain [email protected]]
[[Scourge [email protected]]
[[Ether Nightmare (Luxon)@7]
[[[email protected]]
[[[email protected]]
[[[email protected]]
[[spirit [email protected]]
[[mark of [email protected]]
1 skill to kill....
![]HM[ Sabre Wolf](/static/static/../Img/avatar102835_2.gif){kind=avatar}
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
scythefromunder
Ummm...
What exactly are you trying to do?
What exactly are you trying to do?
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
[Edit]
See first post with more details of the situation...
See first post with more details of the situation...
scythefromunder
Since you are 600/smiting, you got 6 slots open, use them to bring some damage dealers. Unless you're doing something that i'm not getting 
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
ya, its a farm... so you can not fill slots... or you take drops away...
if there isnt such a thing then its fine, we can go without... but there are like 8-10 of these things spread out all over the map... so its like that close to a full clear...
if there isnt such a thing then its fine, we can go without... but there are like 8-10 of these things spread out all over the map... so its like that close to a full clear...
scythefromunder
Whar area are you working in?
distilledwill
[[Backfire]?
I would suggest [[spirit shackles] but they will always be able to heal through the signets... its a toughie.
If you can interupt [[Signet of devotion] with [[Complicate] that will solve your signet problem, but that still leaves the main spell.
I would suggest [[spirit shackles] but they will always be able to heal through the signets... its a toughie.
If you can interupt [[Signet of devotion] with [[Complicate] that will solve your signet problem, but that still leaves the main spell.
tmakinen
Longhair Yetis at Jaya Bluffs?
If you don't like signets then [Ignorance] is your friend. If that is too expensive to use then a suitably placed [Primal Echoes] will do the job.
If you don't like signets then [Ignorance] is your friend. If that is too expensive to use then a suitably placed [Primal Echoes] will do the job.
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
[[[email protected]]... not enough damage
[[[email protected]]... still to much heal from the 1 spell
[[[email protected]]... didn't try it, but recharge is longer then the effect...
HOWEVER!!!!
[[Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]] did work, with added wanding from both myself and the Smite
Ty for the help though...
[[Primal [email protected]], Did not try that... but I think it would take a bit to really work itself in... that and it would kill the Smite's [[Blessed Signet]
[[[email protected]]... still to much heal from the 1 spell
[[[email protected]]... didn't try it, but recharge is longer then the effect...
HOWEVER!!!!
[[Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]] did work, with added wanding from both myself and the Smite
Ty for the help though...
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If that is too expensive to use then a suitably placed [Primal Echoes] will do the job.
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Incandecree
Diversion on the 600. That would work.
Haxor
For future reference: [Spirit Shackles]
Edit: Didn't actually realize the signets were the problem. Possibly combine with [Ignorance]
Edit: Didn't actually realize the signets were the problem. Possibly combine with [Ignorance]
Khazad Guard
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ya, its a farm... so you can not fill slots... or you take drops away...
if there isnt such a thing then its fine, we can go without... but there are like 8-10 of these things spread out all over the map... so its like that close to a full clear... |
Scythe O F Glory
[Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support] if you are patient/lucky.
legacyofkain85
or maybe get 3 necros,4 henchmans and vanq all without a problem.I also vanquished some areas using 600/smite,but discordway is so much faster,used to get 3 necro heroes and borrow 3 more necros from a guildie or friend or from mi other account,for a 6 necro team+mi warrior.
Onion Guy
[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support]and["finish hi] should help.
TheodenKing
There are almost always options on a 600 skillbar. Not knowing where you are farming makes it difficult to advise. But I imagine I would try one or more of the following:
[spirit shackles], [ignorance], [mark of subversion], [ebon vanguard sniper support], [ebon vanguard assassin support].
[spirit shackles], [ignorance], [mark of subversion], [ebon vanguard sniper support], [ebon vanguard assassin support].
imnotyourmother
Sniper is the one..
Cursed One
what about rust+ interupts?
MuC
Ebon vanguard sniper support if u are lucky. Or take ebon vanguard sin support and finish him if u have any free spot left.
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
I had already said [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]] works... but you need to wand ontop of the Sin's attack...
Again... you can only have ONE SKILL... not a combo...
[[Ebon Vanguard Sniper [email protected]]... mmmm, just have to sit there until you get the wonder shot... Monk it not killing me by any means... its a stalemate...
And its ALL of the skills thats are issue... not just the signets... read what [[Healing Light] does...
[[spirit shackles] - No
[[mark of subversion] - No
Also, please read the FIRST post before posting... a lot of you are suggesting skills that are known not to work for this issue already.
Again... you can only have ONE SKILL... not a combo...
[[Ebon Vanguard Sniper [email protected]]... mmmm, just have to sit there until you get the wonder shot... Monk it not killing me by any means... its a stalemate...
And its ALL of the skills thats are issue... not just the signets... read what [[Healing Light] does...
[[spirit shackles] - No
[[mark of subversion] - No
Also, please read the FIRST post before posting... a lot of you are suggesting skills that are known not to work for this issue already.
Puddin Cheeks
just an idea, but what about some [you move like a dwarf]. knockdown and interrupt with some added damage.
Toxic OnyX
[scourge healing] ?
Spiritz
Big question not yet answered - where are you farming ??
Knowing that would help as the only details you give us is - vs monk as 600/smite team.
More details means more help - and less you sayin read first post.
Do hm monks actually maintain mending ?
Anet is gd for giving foes stupid skills - like hulks outside ascalon with shield bash and no shields to use it lol .
I could ask another 10 questions but refraining from till we get more details
Knowing that would help as the only details you give us is - vs monk as 600/smite team.
More details means more help - and less you sayin read first post.
Do hm monks actually maintain mending ?
Anet is gd for giving foes stupid skills - like hulks outside ascalon with shield bash and no shields to use it lol .
I could ask another 10 questions but refraining from till we get more details
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
Well I am fine now...
What we ended up doing was bring the [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and since it wasn't killing quite enough, but enough to kill after about 5-6 casts... and the fact I never die the whole time... was to have the Smite drop the rebirth and bring another [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] to have two of them on the one monk... If I die, just wipe and shrine rez with a little DP which will be gone in one group...
We were able to clear the entire area and Vanq it with one [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support]... but I think it would have been 100 times easier if we had two, and the smite cast his a split second before I aggro...
What we ended up doing was bring the [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and since it wasn't killing quite enough, but enough to kill after about 5-6 casts... and the fact I never die the whole time... was to have the Smite drop the rebirth and bring another [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] to have two of them on the one monk... If I die, just wipe and shrine rez with a little DP which will be gone in one group...
We were able to clear the entire area and Vanq it with one [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support]... but I think it would have been 100 times easier if we had two, and the smite cast his a split second before I aggro...
blackknight1337
Ok, from your first post I'm going to assume you are running these builds, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
600
Protective Spirit
Spirit Bond
SoA
Spell Breaker
-Open Spot-
Essence Bond
Balthazar's Spirit
Blessed Aura
Smiter
Holy Wrath
Retribution
Life Attunement
Vital Blessing
Blood Is Power
Rebirth
Blessed Signet
Purge Signet
Its actually really simple to open up at least 2 slots in your build.
First, get rid of life attunement. You don't need it, it is just a crutch for starter 600 monks. There is one slot for you. Move balthazar's spirit to the smiter.
Secondly, with practice you don't need BiP in 95% of areas. If I smite for one of my friends, I use BiP or Blood Ritual about once, and that is if he dies. Perhaps a slot here, depending on your skill level with 600.
Thirdly, rebirth is useless as a rez in this build, outside of areas such as FoW, DoA, etc. It is far easier to just kill off the smiter and rez at the shrine, with full energy. Definitly open slot here.
Last is purge signet. If you don't have to deal with being dazed in the zone, don't take it.
Just personal preference there.
600
Protective Spirit
Spirit Bond
SoA
Spell Breaker
-Open Spot-
Essence Bond
Balthazar's Spirit
Blessed Aura
Smiter
Holy Wrath
Retribution
Life Attunement
Vital Blessing
Blood Is Power
Rebirth
Blessed Signet
Purge Signet
Its actually really simple to open up at least 2 slots in your build.
First, get rid of life attunement. You don't need it, it is just a crutch for starter 600 monks. There is one slot for you. Move balthazar's spirit to the smiter.
Secondly, with practice you don't need BiP in 95% of areas. If I smite for one of my friends, I use BiP or Blood Ritual about once, and that is if he dies. Perhaps a slot here, depending on your skill level with 600.
Thirdly, rebirth is useless as a rez in this build, outside of areas such as FoW, DoA, etc. It is far easier to just kill off the smiter and rez at the shrine, with full energy. Definitly open slot here.
Last is purge signet. If you don't have to deal with being dazed in the zone, don't take it.
Just personal preference there.
Fay Vert
He just wants your help, he doesn't want to contribute anything, like tell you where the farm is you helped him do.
Fuzzy Taco
Assuming with my expert deductive skills that you are farming Jaya Bluffs in HM with 600/Smite, I recommend these.
[600 Jaya;OwQTcmHD5pecX1iBiICARfIPAA]
[Smite Jaya;OwYT44HDHBZ2HfOlCJ6BfyHA]
Those work gorgeously - whenever there's a Yeti monk to be dealt with, simply drop Holy Wrath, micromanage Blessed Signet, force Ogden to cast Glyph of Lesser Energy + Scourge Healing + Ray of Judgment. After that, make him reapply Holy Wrath when he can, and cast Defile Flesh and watch the monk attack you to death. The birds are fairly easy, just tank and watch for Wail of Doom after Spell Breaker inevitably runs out. Each Yeti boss is easy, and just takes a moment - I'd recommend micromanaging Ray on them to speed things up. The Ebon Vanguard Meatshield might be a wee bit more efficient, but this means I can get away without farming title ranks for my monk. Also, this area sucks in Hard Mode, from what I can gather... much better for feathers (while still getting a surprising amount of golds and rune-infested armors) killing all the birds in 10 minutes in Normal Mode with some AoE awesomeness.
[Jaya VwK, as seen on a necro;OAhjYMhsITWMOOeTkiTMxT0krlA]
Pretty much any profession can be bent to have a build with enough damage and healing to murder that place in NM.
[600 Jaya;OwQTcmHD5pecX1iBiICARfIPAA]
[Smite Jaya;OwYT44HDHBZ2HfOlCJ6BfyHA]
Those work gorgeously - whenever there's a Yeti monk to be dealt with, simply drop Holy Wrath, micromanage Blessed Signet, force Ogden to cast Glyph of Lesser Energy + Scourge Healing + Ray of Judgment. After that, make him reapply Holy Wrath when he can, and cast Defile Flesh and watch the monk attack you to death. The birds are fairly easy, just tank and watch for Wail of Doom after Spell Breaker inevitably runs out. Each Yeti boss is easy, and just takes a moment - I'd recommend micromanaging Ray on them to speed things up. The Ebon Vanguard Meatshield might be a wee bit more efficient, but this means I can get away without farming title ranks for my monk. Also, this area sucks in Hard Mode, from what I can gather... much better for feathers (while still getting a surprising amount of golds and rune-infested armors) killing all the birds in 10 minutes in Normal Mode with some AoE awesomeness.
[Jaya VwK, as seen on a necro;OAhjYMhsITWMOOeTkiTMxT0krlA]
Pretty much any profession can be bent to have a build with enough damage and healing to murder that place in NM.
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
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Ok, from your first post I'm going to assume you are running these builds, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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First, get rid of life attunement. You don't need it, it is just a crutch for starter 600 monks. There is one slot for you. Move balthazar's spirit to the smiter.
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Secondly, with practice you don't need BiP in 95% of areas. If I smite for one of my friends, I use BiP or Blood Ritual about once, and that is if he dies. Perhaps a slot here, depending on your skill level with 600.
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Thirdly, rebirth is useless as a rez in this build, outside of areas such as FoW, DoA, etc. It is far easier to just kill off the smiter and rez at the shrine, with full energy. Definitly open slot here.
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Assuming with my expert deductive skills that you are farming Jaya Bluffs in HM with 600/Smite, I recommend these.
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[600 Jaya;OwQTcmHD5pecX1iBiICARfIPAA]
[Smite Jaya;OwYT44HDHBZ2HfOlCJ6BfyHA] Those work gorgeously - whenever there's a Yeti monk to be dealt with, simply drop Holy Wrath, micromanage Blessed Signet, force Ogden to cast Glyph of Lesser Energy + Scourge Healing + Ray of Judgment. After that, make him reapply Holy Wrath when he can, and cast Defile Flesh and watch the monk attack you to death. |
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco
The Ebon Vanguard Meatshield might be a wee bit more efficient, but this means I can get away without farming title ranks for my monk. Also, this area sucks in Hard Mode, from what I can gather... much better for feathers.
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blackknight1337
My point with Life Attunement was not that you were a starter 600, my point was that you don't need it. If nothing else, you get a pip of regen on the 600 and a free slot to boot.
Elite Bushido
if you run the 600+3 smites. you can have like 3 free slots on your bar...
(well for my Rt i do atleast)
(well for my Rt i do atleast)
]HM[ Sabre Wolf
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My point with Life Attunement was not that you were a starter 600, my point was that you don't need it. If nothing else, you get a pip of regen on the 600 and a free slot to boot.
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But that build that Fuzzy put up works the best... I ran that with that Purge change, and it runs fine. Thank You.
faraaz
You should skip Life Attune, bring Balthz spirit on the smiter, bring Vanguard Sin Support + Finish Him and your done.
Lummy
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joshuarodger
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blackknight1337
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way to not read what the problem actually is. AV does absolutley nothing about the monk's signets. FAIL
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SimplyAmazing
what i want to know is, why do you only have 1 optional slot? with my 600 i have 4 optionals, even if i leave them empty i can pretty much destroy any+everything with little exceptions(incubi + other anti-600 enemies), then again, i run 600 rit, which imo, poops all over monk's faces. try it out, not only is it quicker, but you have enough optionals to set-up for almost any area. here's a 3-man variant, it can be used by 2-man, and just as effective, and i have little problems with healers, fleshy healers, i just put up vwk + radiation field, spam some vengeful weap's and they're toast. 600 rit