Hero Teams

just run Sabway/Discord they stroll Igor the troll strikes again...

The best build would be one that synergizes with your own character build/playstyle and the area. You need to give more information than that for us to give you a better recommendation.

I just prefer to run builds that are not mainstream... and the idea was not to update builds but to get up a form of database of different team builds that would work well together, just because a build works, every other person uses gimmick builds, and sooner or later Anet is gonna nerf em, so that would leave every other person pretty well screwed for the time being... I just wanted to try to compile something for others that may or may not have every hero, or a specific set of heroes, I wanted to try and get the GWG community involved in coming up with something that could help pretty well everyone, regardless of they have or don't for heroes anyway. I didn't post builds to update on because that wasn't the point behind it. I'd suggest a n/rt healer, optional (roj, mm, etc.), and a order derv or nec.

Thanks Daesu, so I changed some of the skills around and switched out some others and came up with the following:

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+2 Hea=12+1+3 Ins=8 pve][Ethereal Light][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Pro=12+2 pve][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Spirit Bond][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Deny Hexes][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build]

What do you think? Check your Protter's energy during HM fights. I usually dont let one monk hero bring both PS and SB, too many 10e fast recharge spells can drain him dry since heroes tend to spam. I also prefer SoA to RoF. You can set your protter to avoid combat since he doesn't have any skills that need to target an enemy.

I prefer Waste not want not to Leech Signet. You only get energy back if Leech Signet interrupts a spell and the signet recharge is high. I also like to bring Cure Hex for a hex removal but that is up to you.

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+2 Hea=12+1+3 Ins=8 pve][Ethereal Light][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/E name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Pro=12+2 pve][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Spirit Bond][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Deny Hexes][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build] Ok... so I'm thinking maybe

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Hea=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Cure Hex][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Personally, I've never really been a fan of [[GoLE] for E-management, I much prefer the interupt of [[Power Drain]. I also threw in [[Divine Intervention] because with past usage experience, heroes use it really well and I'm gonna give [[Waste Not, Want Not] a shot, I'll let you know how it goes.

That works extremely well together, I also brought along my Rt/N Minion Bomber... Tested this in several HM locations and managed to hold the pressure of several large groups without fail...

[build prof=Rt/N name=Explosive Minions desc="Set hero on avoid combat.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Spa=12+1+1 Dea=12 pve][Animate Bone Minions][Aura of the Lich][Blood of the Master][Death Nova][Boon of Creation][Explosive Growth][Signet of Creation][Spirit's Gift][/build] Or just use a necro MM with Foul Feast, Infuse Condition, Dwayna's Sorrow, ..etc.

Ok... so I'm thinking maybe

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Hea=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Cure Hex][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Personally, I've never really been a fan of [[GoLE] for E-management, I much prefer the interupt of [[Power Drain]. I also threw in [[Divine Intervention] because with past usage experience, heroes use it really well and I'm gonna give [[Waste Not, Want Not] a shot, I'll let you know how it goes.
I personally dislike one heal and one prot monk hero teams because you lose out on damage greatly, that is unless you run 6 heroes ofc. I dont really like UA/HB Miicry on heroes either because it's simply not worth the effort making them mimicry stuff but w/e.

thats what I suggest:

[build prof=Mo/Me box Heal=12+1+1 Div=10+1 Ins=8 pve][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Heal Party][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Healer's Boon][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1 Pro=11+1+1 Ins=8 pve][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Shield of Absorption][Heaven's Delight][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Ok now first of all, never...and I say NEVER run superiors and especially superiors when you already have a major rune stuck somewhere the small bonus they would give to the skills is simply not worth the large health loss. Only in rare cases ONE superior or major can be useful if you have to hit an important breakpoint but it doesn't apply here.

I changed your build around in this way, the team uses same concept with same energy management but with better skills.
I dont like [healing whisper], anything that makes your monk go closer to the fronline is simply bad. I replaced it with [dwayna's kiss], with so many enchants flying around it's a great powerheal especially when combined with [healer's boon].
For the US guy [dismiss condition] is much better, can target self, slightly more heal, same recharge and cast and the conditional healing bit simply does not exist because everything has some kind of ench on it. [divine intervention] is useless, you dont die in pve, especially with two players and six heroes, if you die then something went wrong and youre wiping, in that case being alive slightly more won't matter. I dont see it for pulling or countering boss damage either, for that job prot spirit > all. On other hand Heaven's Delight is a very good cheap party wide heal when combine with UA and heroes use it well. RoF, heroes suck at RoF but are good with [shield of absorption]. ^^

Ok... allow me to restate the topic.

I'm looking to come up with a large compilation of general hero builds that will synergize well with other hero and player builds. I'm not looking for builds such as Discordway or Sabway, etc... Basically I would like to turn this into a large discussion and the overall goal would be to come up with a vast amount of hero builds that when put with other hero builds would work extremely well (possibly even better than the gimmick builds that everyone uses today).

So I'll start off with a few hero monk builds that I hope to improve:

[build prof=Mo/Me name="Unyielding Healer" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Hea=10+2 Ins=8 pve][Ethereal Light][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Signet of Rejuvenation][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="Unyielding Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Pro=10+2 Ins=8 pve][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Shielding Hands][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Any suggestions?
To be honest this is where you been closest to the bullseye in terms of monks. UA/HB Mimicry with heroes is bullshit like I have said before, good with two players in elite mission and things but it's just not hero-firendly.

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Aegis][Divine Healing][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

Interrupts, great party-wide heals, great target heals, condition/hex removal, almost perma block from aegis chain....what else do you need to stay elive in PvE? ^^

Divine Healing or Cure Hex can be replaced for Shield of Absorption or Guardian for the second monk, DH and HD can be replaced with Heal Party for bar compression if needed. Cure Hex can be replaced with Deny Hexes but honestly you often dont need this much hex removal in PvE.

To be honest this is where you been closest to the bullseye in terms of monks. UA/HB Mimicry with heroes is bullshit like I have said before, good with two players in elite mission and things but it's just not hero-firendly.

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Aegis][Divine Healing][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

Interrupts, great party-wide heals, great target heals, condition/hex removal, almost perma block from aegis chain....what else do you need to stay elive in PvE? ^^

Divine Healing or Cure Hex can be replaced for Shield of Absorption or Guardian for the second monk, DH and HD can be replaced with Heal Party for bar compression if needed. Cure Hex can be replaced with Deny Hexes but honestly you often dont need this much hex removal in PvE. You know Igor, I feel compelled to agree with you because people say we have always been arguing with each other. But if I have to agree with you even though I think it is a bad build then I am just not being honest.

At least with your post just before this one, I can agree with the top half but this build is just too energy draining for one. What happens if you are not fighting casters (or they are dead) but a melee group and you need energy? You have no spells to interrupt and no energy management.

Besides patient spirit there are no direct heals and patient has a 2s delay for heals. Sometimes you just need direct heals on the spot. You also dont need 3 copies of party heals. Heroes also dont use dismiss condition or cure hex as direct heals.

Also I dont see how your dual UA is any superior to UA+HB mimicry, seems inferior to me. HB stacks with UA for a huge amount of heal. To calculate how much the HB build heals if you cast UA at 14 Divine Favor, just multiply what the spell originally says it heals for by 2.355, round to the nearest whole number, then add 35 for divine favor. Example, Ethereal Light at 14 heal prayers says it heals for 95, so 95x2.355=223.725. Rounded it is 224+35 for Divine Favor in 1/2 seconds for 5 energy. You still lose 2 heroes to damage and the only other reason you said was "bullshit" without explaining why it is not hero-friendly.

Looking at his protter build again, there is also a problem:

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

He should at least keep Heaven's Delight or its counterpart. Otherwise, he is not making use of UA other than a res and for the other monk to mimic.