Keg farming keyboard?

I was going to put this into the technicians corner but it kinda spreads into other areas so i'll ask it here.

I was just wondering what kind of keyboard I could get that had a kind of 'turbo' function to it. So that I can set it to 'when I hold down space bar, act like space has been repeatedly pushed over and over as fast as you can' kind of thing.

I am aware that some keyboards have this function, but not which. Could someone point me in the direction of one? Or perhaps some software that lets me do this?
(The function, ofcourse - would be so that I can just hold down my space bar and 'drop item' key for a couple of seconds to make the kegs go boom, rather than mashing them like a mad man in the middle of the night)

In addition to this, I just wanted to make sure that doing this wouldnt violate the terms of the ULA? I'm pretty sure it wouldnt... but just to be safe.

EDIT
Regarding the EULA matter, I have come to the conclusion that I would be OK to use this kind of a turbo feature and not get banned. Please send all your dissagreements, trolling and genuine debate into this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...31#post4574531 where it would be much more appropriate.
The rest of this thread can be (hopefully) used to answer my other question: how I could get what i'm asking for (I dont want to buy a G15)

Thanks.

This would be in violation since people that have set up macros for keg and raptor farming with G15 keyboards have been banned. I wouldn't risk it.

Using Macros violates the EULA. You have a very good chance of losing your account if you use any to keg farm.

Spamming Space + F1 isn't that difficult anyways.

All I do is spam Space + ,

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/ke.../3498&cl=US,EN

That is a Logitech G15, it has macro keys which record key presses, or in other words press one button to press space + f1 (or ,), I've heard people get banned for it which makes me somewhat angry that I paid nearly $150.00 bucks for this when it came out.

Whats a G15 keyboard?

And this isnt really macroing.. is it? I'm still playing the game.
How would the game even know if it was a violation? Surely it would just think I was pressing the keys really really fast.

The whole idea is that I dont have to spam them :P

Oh right.
Okay well then yeah I can see why I shouldnt use that then.

What about just some really simple little programme from somewhere that just adds a 'turbo' function then?
Surely that cant be an issue...

Is 1/2ing your button presses really worth losing your account over?

I wouldn't suggest it.

No offense to OP but people like him should get banned if he ever achieves success using this. Think about it, HOW MUCH EBAY GOLD could those bots generate? And no, hitting space bar once is not "playing the game".

ON TOPIC: I knew a guy in game that ran a bot, I don't know exactly what he did but he said he just checks back every 5 minutes, issues a command and go...

Hold on, i'm not actually asking for a G15 keyboard here. I'm simply asking if there is a way to press those buttons over and over while I hold them down.

It strikes me that no one knows if that is against the EULA, they just keep thinking G15 = ban.



I have a feeling you're completely missing the point. I'm not asking for a bot. Neither am I asking to hit spacebar once. Your on-topic bit is the most off topic of everything you just said.

Not necessarily, it's just an example. Anything that can do something "for you" in place of manual input, i.e. pushing a button multiple times on your individual push, could be considered a violation. It's the automated part that matters, not necessarily that the automation has to come from a G15 (or any other arbitrary product).

Alright, that makes sense to me. A bit of a shame though, I guess.
I'll leave it, not worth the risk.

Thanks for the help, all!

get a G15. program a key to hit both pick up and drop. u only have to spam on one key instead of alternating between two. and u wouldn't get banned for this because it is completely imperceptible to tell ur using it, lmao. macroing is determined based on repetitive action over long periods of time. u won't even get flagged until u get reported, which won't happen for keggin because u don't zone in and out of a town. there would be no way for Anet to know if ur spamming 2 keys or one, lmao. but spending 80-100$ on a keyboard so u only have to spam one less key is a little wasteful if u ask me ;-)

The logitech G15 buttons are classified as "MACRO Buttons", I recently had a chat with support that ended in the conclusion that if I used my keyboard to gain some sort of unfair advantage such as creating a macro to press two buttons I could be punished for it.

As I understand the Eula, bots are different from Macros only in length.

If you have a maco that does mouse impulse in North direction 500 times, tabs twice, press 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 5, wait, wait, 1, 2, 3, then picks up loot and runs back to town, then it doesn't matter if it is an executable or a keyboard macro, you are in violation.

If you have a keyboard macro that hits a button 5 times instead of one, or a button that does a sequence (select nearest item and pick up), or maybe f12 and 'Y'. then you are probably not in violation.

That is my understanding of the Eula. Perhaps we need to get an official ruling from the staff on this?

I'd have thought they were both the same in terms of legality.
Since, they are basically automating parts of your gameplay.
Even if the second macro is shorter in length.

Basically, regardless of what your macro does...
Most of the time it will be increasing your efficiency at a particular task by enabling you to issue commands at a faster pace than you could so manually
...or it will be entirely automating a task so that you don't need to interact at all (at which point it's technically a bot.)

Does anyone here even know someone who's been banned for having a key programmed to push ", + space"? Really? I realize it's not hard to do, but has anyone EVER been banned for ", + space"? I don't mean have it programmed so all you have to do is hold it down and it repeats the same ", + space", I mean that you'd still have to be sitting there tapping the key repeatedly. Now I don't remember the exact words but I remember seeing a post by Regina (I think?) saying that botting (and I'm paraphrasing) is anything that can be done without you in front of the computer.

Now if you have a button programmed to just drop a keg and then talk to Budger and you actually have to be there for the repeated tapping of said button.....

Again, like someone said earlier, it's a different story if I have the same key programmed to run outside town, kill 10 critters, pick up loot, run back to town, etc, etc.......

Just to clear this up - the "game would know" because all of those button presses would have a precise gap of 50ms (or whatever) between them. Whilst it would be a simple matter to write a macro that randomised intervals between key presses, this would be deliberately avoiding detection and thus ban-worthy.

Sure, I understand that.

but how do we know that the game would continue detecting that the button presses are 50ms apart, when everything else that i'm doing is completely randomized? Surely all the other keypresses would 'throw it off the scent' so-to-speak.

Not that i'm deliberatly looking for ways to 'cheat' the EULA here.
I just think that this is quite an insignificant little thing that would make life twenty times easier - and would, at the end of the day, be ridiculous to ban someone over.

Its as simple as allowing someone to hold down space and , rather than mash them like a mad man.


I completely agree with this, because what this person said:

Has completely thrown me into doubt. It does make sense.

I think there are two reasons people legitimately macro:

1: There are x keys that are easily accessible to your hand while controlling the mouse with your other hand. Thus if you want to do something like pick up an item (+ space), you either select next item and hit the action key (move your hand), change bindings (like I have done, to 'F' as select next item) which can limit other options, or if you have a keyboard for it (I have the G11, but haven't set up many special bindings yet), set up one of your M keys as a combo to do both in one press. It allows you to do the same thing while keeping your hand in the ready position.

2: people might bind something such as a repeated key press or combo to a key (such as ctrl-shift-space, or 8-8-8-8-8) in order to protect themselves from lag. When running a critical mission or running a survivor in Kilroys, it sucks to die, or lose a kill because of lag when you hit the correct button but that one press missed; rather you hit your macro, and it will press repeatedly, just to be safe.

I still say we need a definitive ruling on g11 and g15 keyboard macros; what is allowed and what isn't. I think Regina and Co. need to give us something official as to what is botting, and what is simply using technology appropriately. Until we get that specific ruling, I think any bans are bound to be arbitrary at best.

(^^That is the engineer in me asking for specifications

Well guys if you mosey on down to this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=1#post4574531

Its looks like we got some difinitive answers regarding one of my original questions, whether this would be against the EULA. I know that people are probably going to dissagree with me, but just to quote:


That was the support talking about what you can/cant use the keyboard for. And just to quote myself: (as I cant be bothered to type much more right now)


So this is how I feel about the issue, and actually i'm pretty secure that if I got a 'turbo' kind of feature, I would be OK. Afterall, I'm still playing the game.
Can we please go to the other original question of how I would get such a feature, now, instead of turning into a debate about the G15 (we can do the debating in the other thread).
cheers guys.

I'd still advise you to use the tried and tested method illlustrated here:


However, if you did want something similar to what you originally requested, I'm pretty sure a macro is the closest thing you'd get.
You could either buy a keyboard (or mouse) that supports macro keys, or download some macro software that will let you map macros to keys on your current keyboard (or mouse, I guess).

Then, you could either do as was suggested and macro both drop/pickup to one key and repeatedly press that, or you could macro a series of key presses (Drop-Pickup-Drop-Pickup-etc...) to limit the number of times you need to press and achieve something similar to what you originally requested. (Although, I really don't recommend that at all.)

The reason I recommend against it is because this is most likely somewhere in the 'grey area' mentioned in the above quote and there's a possibility you might eventually find yourself explaining to support why you should be unbanned =\