Boycott the Storage Update!
enxa
10 bucks is really a fair price. Its even less than a monthly fee for most mmos. And i always thought they should sell storage space. They have my support.
Monk of Myst
/not signed
Not meaning to sound mean but...
/shakes head
Pathetic. This extra storage thing is an OPTION. This means that you do not need to buy it. If you feel you can get a better deal, then go buy the second account and if you don't want to use that GW X2 program, go use your laptop and your desktop to transfer everything. Yes, many of us in the Guild Wars Community think that this should be free, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is, it's not. A-Net is not forcing this upon ANYONE. Although we have been through this, on MOST NON-MONTHLY FEE MMOs, this option is something you pay for and they have to upkeep servers and pay people some how.
Another thing, is A-Net REALLY going to care if the people who didn't sign this buy this OPTION or another account? No. It's still money in their pocket. They are a business and they're out to make money one way or another, even if it means nickle and diming occassionally.
Also, why are you not waiting until AFTER the update to make this decision? Yes, we have been told a good amount of what will be in the update but do we REALLY know if that's the whole thing? Probably not. For all we know, those of us who do quests X,Y, and Z on a specific day might get this for free. The only people who know every detail about the update are in an office working their butts off on putting the finishing touches on the update to impliment it.
Times, when has A-Net asked any of us to pay a monthly fee to help with upkeep of servers? Never. When has A-Net asked us for anything? Never.
I would like to leave everyone with one last thought here: Child goes to Mommy and Daddy and says "I want this!" or "Can you fix this ASAP?" And they get or fix it for the child. After a number of years the, the child tells them to buy them something little and Mommy and Daddy say to the child "Well, you need to BUY this one!" Then the child throws a temper tantrum because they can't get it for free and Mommy and Daddy won't give it to them.
Hmm...Do we see any comparison between the Guild Wars community and the child in this story?
Not meaning to sound mean but...
/shakes head
Pathetic. This extra storage thing is an OPTION. This means that you do not need to buy it. If you feel you can get a better deal, then go buy the second account and if you don't want to use that GW X2 program, go use your laptop and your desktop to transfer everything. Yes, many of us in the Guild Wars Community think that this should be free, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is, it's not. A-Net is not forcing this upon ANYONE. Although we have been through this, on MOST NON-MONTHLY FEE MMOs, this option is something you pay for and they have to upkeep servers and pay people some how.
Another thing, is A-Net REALLY going to care if the people who didn't sign this buy this OPTION or another account? No. It's still money in their pocket. They are a business and they're out to make money one way or another, even if it means nickle and diming occassionally.
Also, why are you not waiting until AFTER the update to make this decision? Yes, we have been told a good amount of what will be in the update but do we REALLY know if that's the whole thing? Probably not. For all we know, those of us who do quests X,Y, and Z on a specific day might get this for free. The only people who know every detail about the update are in an office working their butts off on putting the finishing touches on the update to impliment it.
Times, when has A-Net asked any of us to pay a monthly fee to help with upkeep of servers? Never. When has A-Net asked us for anything? Never.
I would like to leave everyone with one last thought here: Child goes to Mommy and Daddy and says "I want this!" or "Can you fix this ASAP?" And they get or fix it for the child. After a number of years the, the child tells them to buy them something little and Mommy and Daddy say to the child "Well, you need to BUY this one!" Then the child throws a temper tantrum because they can't get it for free and Mommy and Daddy won't give it to them.
Hmm...Do we see any comparison between the Guild Wars community and the child in this story?
CyberNigma
If I could access my other characters storage directly from my main character or access my other account's storage directly without having to run another copy of GW to do it, then the new tabs would not be worth it for ME. As it currently stands I can do neither, and it annoys me to cycle through mules to try and find where I put something, so for ME, it is worth the convenience for 4 or 5 more tabs. In other words, to answer those people that say it's not about having the money but about the tabs being worth it -> to me, the convenience is worth it. If I was broke or making minimum wage and the dollar meant more to me than it does now then that may be a different story. It's about supply and demand. I have money so it means I am more willing to buy things I don't NEED than someone making minimum wage or living at home. It's no different than any of you feeling a game is worth the money you (or your mommy/daddy) spent and someone who believes that wasting money on a game instead of saving it is foolish.
Cycling through mules is not convenient. Selecting tabs in storage is. Convenience will also be on a per-person basis, just like paying someone to change your oil in your vehicle or buying pre-made network cable instead of cutting and assembling it yourself for cheaper. For me, 10 dollars a tab isn't too bad. Do I think it's optimal, no. Do I think it's over the top, no. I pay for cable TV and wireless phone service. Anyone that pays for cable tv from a major provider and still complains about 10 dollar storage tabs in an online games(one-time fees) is just crying to be heard. If you want, feel free to go ahead and not buy the tabs and keep cycling through characters. I'll buy the ones available to me :-)
to all their own. like I said, for me, a one-time payment of one hour worth of hard-earned cash is worth the convenience of not cycling through my other characters looking for items I stored on them when they could be in storage. I realize that for some of you that may be more like a day or two worth of hard-earned cash and that for some of you it's more like non-earned cash that's given to you. For those of you in those cases, maybe you have a point. We can probably assume many of the people here are cheap anyways, so the complaints are to be expected. Guild Wars may be a great game, but the truth is a lot of people bought it because it was a cheap alternative to subscription based games.
I think the easiest solution for those complaining would be to remove the buyable tabs completely, leaving the extra tab from the promotion and the equipment bag/tab combo, which would put the storage update almost exactly in line with previous storage updates (1 extra per campaign bought for the first update, 1 materials storage tab for the second update).
EDIT: oh, and I can't be sure since we don't know the full details, but reading the forums and the wiki discussion with Linsey makes it sounds like well be able to put an Equipment Bag (varying sizes they mentioned in the preview) on each of our characters, with one tab in storage to hold equipment bag (whether it holds one or multiples, I just don't know yet). If this is true, if each character can hold an equipment bag which in turn holds much of their armor/weapons, and of course that doesn't cost us anything - then this is probably the biggest free storage update hands-down that we've ever gotten. Assuming just a 10-slot equipment bag (big guess since I don't know how they work, could be less could be more) per character, that's a SHITLOAD of free storage coming our way, assuming you have lots of armor/weapons like me to put into them for each character.
even so, a free tab via the promotion and then an equipment bag/tab for it makes it bigger than the last storage update.
and I saw at least one person mention that his parents won't pay for the storage updates. well, at least your honest.. and you're just friggin spoiled - tough shit. don't expect sympathy from me. once you get out on your own and then if you have a problem with it I may consider sympathizing with your position. that's ust part of growing up, the rest of us did it, and not everyone has the opportunity to even play games like this on someone else's dime.
Cycling through mules is not convenient. Selecting tabs in storage is. Convenience will also be on a per-person basis, just like paying someone to change your oil in your vehicle or buying pre-made network cable instead of cutting and assembling it yourself for cheaper. For me, 10 dollars a tab isn't too bad. Do I think it's optimal, no. Do I think it's over the top, no. I pay for cable TV and wireless phone service. Anyone that pays for cable tv from a major provider and still complains about 10 dollar storage tabs in an online games(one-time fees) is just crying to be heard. If you want, feel free to go ahead and not buy the tabs and keep cycling through characters. I'll buy the ones available to me :-)
to all their own. like I said, for me, a one-time payment of one hour worth of hard-earned cash is worth the convenience of not cycling through my other characters looking for items I stored on them when they could be in storage. I realize that for some of you that may be more like a day or two worth of hard-earned cash and that for some of you it's more like non-earned cash that's given to you. For those of you in those cases, maybe you have a point. We can probably assume many of the people here are cheap anyways, so the complaints are to be expected. Guild Wars may be a great game, but the truth is a lot of people bought it because it was a cheap alternative to subscription based games.
I think the easiest solution for those complaining would be to remove the buyable tabs completely, leaving the extra tab from the promotion and the equipment bag/tab combo, which would put the storage update almost exactly in line with previous storage updates (1 extra per campaign bought for the first update, 1 materials storage tab for the second update).
EDIT: oh, and I can't be sure since we don't know the full details, but reading the forums and the wiki discussion with Linsey makes it sounds like well be able to put an Equipment Bag (varying sizes they mentioned in the preview) on each of our characters, with one tab in storage to hold equipment bag (whether it holds one or multiples, I just don't know yet). If this is true, if each character can hold an equipment bag which in turn holds much of their armor/weapons, and of course that doesn't cost us anything - then this is probably the biggest free storage update hands-down that we've ever gotten. Assuming just a 10-slot equipment bag (big guess since I don't know how they work, could be less could be more) per character, that's a SHITLOAD of free storage coming our way, assuming you have lots of armor/weapons like me to put into them for each character.
even so, a free tab via the promotion and then an equipment bag/tab for it makes it bigger than the last storage update.
and I saw at least one person mention that his parents won't pay for the storage updates. well, at least your honest.. and you're just friggin spoiled - tough shit. don't expect sympathy from me. once you get out on your own and then if you have a problem with it I may consider sympathizing with your position. that's ust part of growing up, the rest of us did it, and not everyone has the opportunity to even play games like this on someone else's dime.
Red Sonya
YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us. Besides $40 will buy GW2 so why should I waste any more money with GW1 since it's a dead game anyways? When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.
Zebideedee
Too late in the day for me, I've managed without for over a year, I'm sure I'll get by.
If it was some new content, missions etc. then I would buy but just for storage, thanks but no thanks!
If it was some new content, missions etc. then I would buy but just for storage, thanks but no thanks!
Kanyatta
I'm glad they made it a purchase and not just a free update, even if I'm not going to use it myself. At least the pack rats who ruin the game have to pay for the privilege now.
Proff
Online petitions and boycotts ftw.....
Fril Estelin
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YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us. Besides $40 will buy GW2 so why should I waste any more money with GW1 since it's a dead game anyways? When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.
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As CyberNigma and others said, it's about convenience. Buy the convenience or not, or else you can always buy the same storage space cheaper, I think it's quite a smart move from Anet, but I still believe $10 is slightly overpriced. But we still have to wait until April 28th to see the full offer (who knows if they won't modify it?).
spamslayer
/not signed
obvious reasons.
As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on. Also, if you've read enough (which I can guess you haven't) you will see that GW1 and GW2 will be running hand in hand. You can update items in HOM and then access them in GW2.
obvious reasons.
- don't want to pay money then don't buy
- anet lets you play for free; server space costs, also have to pay workers
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When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.
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Mike O'Brien is one of three co-founders who helped form ArenaNet in the spring of 2000. He was the original creator of Blizzard's Battle.net and has had a large hand in programming and developing Diablo, Starcraft, and Warcraft III. Needless to say, the guy knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to quality games. |
therangereminem
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10 bucks is really a fair price. Its even less than a monthly fee for most mmos. And i always thought they should sell storage space. They have my support.
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10 bucks is fair lol look at it this way
new toon slot =55 spaces to put things and another toon to play on get new bday prsents and what not
buying a tab= 20 slots thats it
so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that
therangereminem
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obvious reasons.
As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on. Also, if you've read enough (which I can guess you haven't) you will see that GW1 and GW2 will be running hand in hand. You can update items in HOM and then access them in GW2. |
Lonesamurai
spamslayer
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10 bucks is fair lol look at it this way
new toon slot =55 spaces to put things and another toon to play on get new bday prsents and what not buying a tab= 20 slots thats it so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that |
I was talking about the O'Brian quote; I was saying Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft are still alive.
Vampyre
/Not Signed I'm supporting Arena Net.. And WILL BE BUYING 4 Of Them!
Ctb
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As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on. |
Vampyre
/not signed...
I am supporting Arena Net.. And Will Be Buying 4 Of The Slots....
I am supporting Arena Net.. And Will Be Buying 4 Of The Slots....
Painbringer
You can buy a mule for 9.99 or a whole new campaign for 9.99 with four slots off New Egg
Lonesamurai
spamslayer
Wasn't talking of business decisions; I was addressing what Red Sonya said about GW1 going bye bye after GW2 comes. If you are talking about a business decision to end GW1: I am simply stating that I would find that highly doubtful considering the experience that Mike has had.
bhavv
I say that Anet should go the extra mile and sell extra bag slots for $4.99 as well on a per character basis.
If you were to delete such a character, or it gets /nameban, then the next one you make gets an extra bag slot or something.
They need money. Durrrr!!!
If you were to delete such a character, or it gets /nameban, then the next one you make gets an extra bag slot or something.
They need money. Durrrr!!!
Riot Narita
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YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us.
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And if 25% of the GW population bought just one extra tab of storage each - that would add up to a substantial income for A-Net... storage tabs would be considered a "win"... and any boycotters would simply go unnoticed.
zwei2stein
Fun fact of the day:
New bags will feature up to 20 slots. That would give you 30 aditional slots per character. For weapons/armors only, true, but those are what eats most storage. Thats about tab and half.
New bags will feature up to 20 slots. That would give you 30 aditional slots per character. For weapons/armors only, true, but those are what eats most storage. Thats about tab and half.
Fril Estelin
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so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that
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About the price: I thought it was a bit high, but when you consider this pane for 2-3 years (until we may no longer play GW1) at $10 against 1month of WoW, it's not a bad deal.
therangereminem
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Really?
I don't remember getting those and I was playing Tabula til the end |
http://eu.playtr.com/en/news_article...ur_subscribers
that tells of the info from off site
Ctb
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I am simply stating that I would find that highly doubtful considering the experience that Mike has had. |
JASON626
all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure
ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content.
/failure
ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content.
enlightened
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all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content. |
12characters
Society
/Signed. I'm strongly against such selling gameplay advantages for RL money.
Lonesamurai
Fril Estelin
Convenience of not having to swap between chars or GWx2 various accounts. Convenience is the keyword here, $10 will buy you convenience.
Rocky Raccoon
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all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content. |
therangereminem
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Fun fact of the day:
New bags will feature up to 20 slots. That would give you 30 aditional slots per character. For weapons/armors only, true, but those are what eats most storage. Thats about tab and half. |
how do you know atm all they hold is 10 after rune of holding
unless they have said it would be differnt
RazorEdge
/not signed.
I bought 5 or 6 additional character slots, and will probably buy these storage upgrades.
Besides, it's optional and they're gonna have to store more data, which means upgrading equipments etc. Has to come somewhere..
Be happy that we're even getting more storage.
I bought 5 or 6 additional character slots, and will probably buy these storage upgrades.
Besides, it's optional and they're gonna have to store more data, which means upgrading equipments etc. Has to come somewhere..
Be happy that we're even getting more storage.
tadevil
/Not Signed
Stop complaining, if you need it suck it up and pay up it's 10 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dollars.
Stop complaining, if you need it suck it up and pay up it's 10 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dollars.
leeky baby
/signed!
I think this is outrageous that they even considered charging us money for extra storage space!
I think this is outrageous that they even considered charging us money for extra storage space!
FengShuiDove
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Convenience of not having to swap between chars or GWx2 various accounts. Convenience is the keyword here, $10 will buy you convenience.
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Boycott? Screw your "boycott." Don't try to ruin things for the people that want these upgrades, especially when, as stated so many other times in this thread, there are other options still available for you in lieu of the $10 tabs if you choose them. ANet is not mandating a price increase on Amazon or Newegg, ANet is not negating $10 character slots to make the tabs more appealing. You now have an extra choice. No one expects 100% of the playerbase to choose the "newest" or most "convenient" option. Some will, and some won't, as with character slots, new accounts, and whatever other optional legal enhancements to gameplay are available.
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I think this is outrageous that they even considered charging us money for extra storage space! |
Lest we forget, you're NOT BEING CHARGED for the 20 additional slots PER CHARACTER that you can obtain. That's 200 slots if you have one of each profession. A $100 value. Free. So shut up. They're not charging you for extra storage space. They're charging you for superfluous storage space in the case you feel it is necessary in addition to what they have given your for free or in addition to the other options that currently exist.
dts720666
/notsigned
ANet can charge whatever they want for extras in the game, as long as they don't require me to pay a monthly $15 fee to play. I am SO GLAD they are doing what they can to keep the game from having monthly fees.
ANet can charge whatever they want for extras in the game, as long as they don't require me to pay a monthly $15 fee to play. I am SO GLAD they are doing what they can to keep the game from having monthly fees.
Tullzinski
boycott = /unsigned
$10.00 for the optional storage = too pricey just buy extra toon (unless the price for extra toon is going up)
Equipment Packs in assorted sizes - Why? what are we having to do to get largest EP? Why would you want the smallest pack -
Every character will get a fifth slot for an Equipment Pack - okay you give me a extra slot for the pack but how do you get the pack?
Will we be forced to do Zaishen Challenge Quests to get 20 coins to get the biggest Equip Pack? I hope we will not be forced to complete a portion of the game for equipment packs.
$10.00 for the optional storage = too pricey just buy extra toon (unless the price for extra toon is going up)
Equipment Packs in assorted sizes - Why? what are we having to do to get largest EP? Why would you want the smallest pack -
Every character will get a fifth slot for an Equipment Pack - okay you give me a extra slot for the pack but how do you get the pack?
Will we be forced to do Zaishen Challenge Quests to get 20 coins to get the biggest Equip Pack? I hope we will not be forced to complete a portion of the game for equipment packs.
Buster
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Storage update is optional and there are no monthly fees for Guild Wars so all is good here.
Storage update is optional and there are no monthly fees for Guild Wars so all is good here.
JASON626
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They are offering what people have been asking for, how is that a waste?
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This storage update was a community out cry that we needed with all the stuff that has been added to guild wars over the last year or two; con sets, books, armor,minis, keys, tonics,inscriptions etc. The last time they updated storage it was free but it was based on how many guild wars campaigns you owned. Now they charge you money for all the extras they added since they don't have any more guild wars chapters to charge you for.
Basically its a waste because its going to effect small percentage of guild wars players not every player like free update. I'd rather have a new elite area added to locations of FoW, UW, but under one of the other gods than this or a new weapons mod trader which would get rid of 2 storage tabs instantly on my account. Unlocking pets that have been tamed is a good idea. We get a free character pack slot we'll most likely have to quest for.... holds only certain items.