Boycott the Storage Update!

enxa

enxa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Novi Sad, Serbia

Rt/

10 bucks is really a fair price. Its even less than a monthly fee for most mmos. And i always thought they should sell storage space. They have my support.

Monk of Myst

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2009

Knights of Mysterania

Mo/

/not signed

Not meaning to sound mean but...
/shakes head
Pathetic. This extra storage thing is an OPTION. This means that you do not need to buy it. If you feel you can get a better deal, then go buy the second account and if you don't want to use that GW X2 program, go use your laptop and your desktop to transfer everything. Yes, many of us in the Guild Wars Community think that this should be free, blah, blah, blah, but the truth is, it's not. A-Net is not forcing this upon ANYONE. Although we have been through this, on MOST NON-MONTHLY FEE MMOs, this option is something you pay for and they have to upkeep servers and pay people some how.

Another thing, is A-Net REALLY going to care if the people who didn't sign this buy this OPTION or another account? No. It's still money in their pocket. They are a business and they're out to make money one way or another, even if it means nickle and diming occassionally.

Also, why are you not waiting until AFTER the update to make this decision? Yes, we have been told a good amount of what will be in the update but do we REALLY know if that's the whole thing? Probably not. For all we know, those of us who do quests X,Y, and Z on a specific day might get this for free. The only people who know every detail about the update are in an office working their butts off on putting the finishing touches on the update to impliment it.

Times, when has A-Net asked any of us to pay a monthly fee to help with upkeep of servers? Never. When has A-Net asked us for anything? Never.

I would like to leave everyone with one last thought here: Child goes to Mommy and Daddy and says "I want this!" or "Can you fix this ASAP?" And they get or fix it for the child. After a number of years the, the child tells them to buy them something little and Mommy and Daddy say to the child "Well, you need to BUY this one!" Then the child throws a temper tantrum because they can't get it for free and Mommy and Daddy won't give it to them.

Hmm...Do we see any comparison between the Guild Wars community and the child in this story?

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

If I could access my other characters storage directly from my main character or access my other account's storage directly without having to run another copy of GW to do it, then the new tabs would not be worth it for ME. As it currently stands I can do neither, and it annoys me to cycle through mules to try and find where I put something, so for ME, it is worth the convenience for 4 or 5 more tabs. In other words, to answer those people that say it's not about having the money but about the tabs being worth it -> to me, the convenience is worth it. If I was broke or making minimum wage and the dollar meant more to me than it does now then that may be a different story. It's about supply and demand. I have money so it means I am more willing to buy things I don't NEED than someone making minimum wage or living at home. It's no different than any of you feeling a game is worth the money you (or your mommy/daddy) spent and someone who believes that wasting money on a game instead of saving it is foolish.

Cycling through mules is not convenient. Selecting tabs in storage is. Convenience will also be on a per-person basis, just like paying someone to change your oil in your vehicle or buying pre-made network cable instead of cutting and assembling it yourself for cheaper. For me, 10 dollars a tab isn't too bad. Do I think it's optimal, no. Do I think it's over the top, no. I pay for cable TV and wireless phone service. Anyone that pays for cable tv from a major provider and still complains about 10 dollar storage tabs in an online games(one-time fees) is just crying to be heard. If you want, feel free to go ahead and not buy the tabs and keep cycling through characters. I'll buy the ones available to me :-)

to all their own. like I said, for me, a one-time payment of one hour worth of hard-earned cash is worth the convenience of not cycling through my other characters looking for items I stored on them when they could be in storage. I realize that for some of you that may be more like a day or two worth of hard-earned cash and that for some of you it's more like non-earned cash that's given to you. For those of you in those cases, maybe you have a point. We can probably assume many of the people here are cheap anyways, so the complaints are to be expected. Guild Wars may be a great game, but the truth is a lot of people bought it because it was a cheap alternative to subscription based games.

I think the easiest solution for those complaining would be to remove the buyable tabs completely, leaving the extra tab from the promotion and the equipment bag/tab combo, which would put the storage update almost exactly in line with previous storage updates (1 extra per campaign bought for the first update, 1 materials storage tab for the second update).

EDIT: oh, and I can't be sure since we don't know the full details, but reading the forums and the wiki discussion with Linsey makes it sounds like well be able to put an Equipment Bag (varying sizes they mentioned in the preview) on each of our characters, with one tab in storage to hold equipment bag (whether it holds one or multiples, I just don't know yet). If this is true, if each character can hold an equipment bag which in turn holds much of their armor/weapons, and of course that doesn't cost us anything - then this is probably the biggest free storage update hands-down that we've ever gotten. Assuming just a 10-slot equipment bag (big guess since I don't know how they work, could be less could be more) per character, that's a SHITLOAD of free storage coming our way, assuming you have lots of armor/weapons like me to put into them for each character.

even so, a free tab via the promotion and then an equipment bag/tab for it makes it bigger than the last storage update.

and I saw at least one person mention that his parents won't pay for the storage updates. well, at least your honest.. and you're just friggin spoiled - tough shit. don't expect sympathy from me. once you get out on your own and then if you have a problem with it I may consider sympathizing with your position. that's ust part of growing up, the rest of us did it, and not everyone has the opportunity to even play games like this on someone else's dime.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us. Besides $40 will buy GW2 so why should I waste any more money with GW1 since it's a dead game anyways? When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.

Zebideedee

Zebideedee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W

N/Me

Too late in the day for me, I've managed without for over a year, I'm sure I'll get by.

If it was some new content, missions etc. then I would buy but just for storage, thanks but no thanks!

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

I'm glad they made it a purchase and not just a free update, even if I'm not going to use it myself. At least the pack rats who ruin the game have to pay for the privilege now.

Proff

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

Online petitions and boycotts ftw.....

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya View Post
YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us. Besides $40 will buy GW2 so why should I waste any more money with GW1 since it's a dead game anyways? When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.
75% of what? Guru is a forum, it's opinionated, it's full of trolls and people who say one thing but do another. And, most importantly, the vast majority of players are playing, not comming here to comment. If this majority buy extra storage slots, Anet'll know they did the right thing (both for players and for them, they may sell a buy-once-but-then-free-to-play game but they need money). If they don't, Anet will lower the cost or give us a new kind of offer (Linsey clearly said she's not marketing and didn't have any impact on this). People think they're smarter than Anet by talking on Guru, they aren't, because 4years after launching GW1 (so 7-8 years(?) after starting their project) they're still strong.

As CyberNigma and others said, it's about convenience. Buy the convenience or not, or else you can always buy the same storage space cheaper, I think it's quite a smart move from Anet, but I still believe $10 is slightly overpriced. But we still have to wait until April 28th to see the full offer (who knows if they won't modify it?).

spamslayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

SOUP

W/Mo

/not signed
obvious reasons.
  • don't want to pay money then don't buy
  • anet lets you play for free; server space costs, also have to pay workers
don't mess up something for the rest of us that want it just because you are too cheap to support anet.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya View Post
When GW2 comes out and all the people exodus to it NCsoft will do just like they did with AUTODUEL and TABULA RASA bye bye nice knowing you folks but we are shutting this down.
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Mike O'Brien is one of three co-founders who helped form ArenaNet in the spring of 2000. He was the original creator of Blizzard's Battle.net and has had a large hand in programming and developing Diablo, Starcraft, and Warcraft III. Needless to say, the guy knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to quality games.
As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on. Also, if you've read enough (which I can guess you haven't) you will see that GW1 and GW2 will be running hand in hand. You can update items in HOM and then access them in GW2.

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by enxa View Post
10 bucks is really a fair price. Its even less than a monthly fee for most mmos. And i always thought they should sell storage space. They have my support.

10 bucks is fair lol look at it this way

new toon slot =55 spaces to put things and another toon to play on get new bday prsents and what not

buying a tab= 20 slots thats it

so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

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Originally Posted by spamslayer View Post
/not signed
obvious reasons.
  • don't want to pay money then don't buy
  • anet lets you play for free; server space costs, also have to pay workers
don't mess up something for the rest of us that want it just because you are too cheap to support anet.



As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on. Also, if you've read enough (which I can guess you haven't) you will see that GW1 and GW2 will be running hand in hand. You can update items in HOM and then access them in GW2.
tabula rusa closed its servs in jan and yes they did give all its loyal members a treat or two for free, aion beta and also 3 mnth sof city of heros and so on

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem View Post
tabula rusa closed its servs in jan and yes they did give all its loyal members a treat or two for free, aion beta and also 3 mnth sof city of heros and so on
Really?

I don't remember getting those and I was playing Tabula til the end

spamslayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

SOUP

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem View Post
10 bucks is fair lol look at it this way

new toon slot =55 spaces to put things and another toon to play on get new bday prsents and what not

buying a tab= 20 slots thats it

so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that
You fail to recognize that when you have 32 characters you don't have that option anymore and you fail to see the convenience of having those tabs in the storage.

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Originally Posted by therangereminem View Post
tabula rusa closed its servs in jan and yes they did give all its loyal members a treat or two for free, aion beta and also 3 mnth sof city of heros and so on
I was talking about the O'Brian quote; I was saying Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft are still alive.

Vampyre

Vampyre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Indiana

Carpathian Mists

R/Rt

/Not Signed I'm supporting Arena Net.. And WILL BE BUYING 4 Of Them!

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

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As far as I know those 3 games are still up and running. No doubt ArenaNet has improved on the original Battle.net and it is what Guild Wars is running on.
What do Blizzard's past business decisions regarding the continued maintenance of battle.net have to do with ArenaNet's upcoming business decisions about Guild Wars?

Vampyre

Vampyre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Indiana

Carpathian Mists

R/Rt

/not signed...

I am supporting Arena Net.. And Will Be Buying 4 Of The Slots....

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

You can buy a mule for 9.99 or a whole new campaign for 9.99 with four slots off New Egg

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

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Originally Posted by Painbringer View Post
You can buy a mule for 9.99 or a whole new campaign for 9.99 with four slots off New Egg
and for those of us that don;t have access to Newegg because we don't live in America?

spamslayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

SOUP

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctb View Post
What do Blizzard's past business decisions regarding the continued maintenance of battle.net have to do with ArenaNet's upcoming business decisions about Guild Wars?
Wasn't talking of business decisions; I was addressing what Red Sonya said about GW1 going bye bye after GW2 comes. If you are talking about a business decision to end GW1: I am simply stating that I would find that highly doubtful considering the experience that Mike has had.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

I say that Anet should go the extra mile and sell extra bag slots for $4.99 as well on a per character basis.

If you were to delete such a character, or it gets /nameban, then the next one you make gets an extra bag slot or something.

They need money. Durrrr!!!

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya View Post
YAY the ain't gonna buys and think the price is too high and won't buy because they are charging us (kind of a rediculous choice since the ain't gonna buy was sufficient) are taking the MAJORITY of the votes thus 75% are against it and that will show anet they fudged up with us.
Imagine if this poll was a reflection of reality, and your maths was right: 75% won't buy. But perhaps the remaining 25% will.

And if 25% of the GW population bought just one extra tab of storage each - that would add up to a substantial income for A-Net... storage tabs would be considered a "win"... and any boycotters would simply go unnoticed.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Fun fact of the day:

New bags will feature up to 20 slots. That would give you 30 aditional slots per character. For weapons/armors only, true, but those are what eats most storage. Thats about tab and half.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by therangereminem View Post
so why would anyone buy a tab for 10 bucks for 20 spaces then to buy a toon slot and get 55 spaces to put things, unless the new slots ahve 50 spaces in thm each its not worth it at all its a rip off, anyone with a brain can tell that
Read the thread and Linsey's own words: people buy it for convenience, simply. If you want space but don't care about convenience, buy char slot or account.

About the price: I thought it was a bit high, but when you consider this pane for 2-3 years (until we may no longer play GW1) at $10 against 1month of WoW, it's not a bad deal.

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai View Post
Really?

I don't remember getting those and I was playing Tabula til the end




http://eu.playtr.com/en/news_article...ur_subscribers


that tells of the info from off site

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

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I am simply stating that I would find that highly doubtful considering the experience that Mike has had.
I don't see how his experience in developing the Battle.NET software for Blizzard has anything to do with what ArenaNet decides to do with GW1 when GW2 comes out. O'Brien's experience with bNet appears to have been technical, but it will be a business decision when it comes time to determine what to do with the GW1 servers.

JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure

ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content.

enlightened

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

The League Of Friends

W/Mo

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Originally Posted by JASON626 View Post
all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure

ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content.
QFT!

12characters

Society

Society

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

Rt/N

/Signed. I'm strongly against such selling gameplay advantages for RL money.

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Society View Post
/Signed. I'm strongly against such selling gameplay advantages for RL money.
Sorry? What gameplay advantages?

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON626 View Post
all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure
Convenience of not having to swap between chars or GWx2 various accounts. Convenience is the keyword here, $10 will buy you convenience.

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON626 View Post
all i'd say is why buy storage when you can but another character slot for same price or another account then get z keys pluse 4 character and another storage chest.......................
/failure

ingame gold and such i can see. This whole update looks like a waste of valuable time that they could have used to add more usefull content.
They are offering what people have been asking for, how is that a waste?

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein View Post
Fun fact of the day:

New bags will feature up to 20 slots. That would give you 30 aditional slots per character. For weapons/armors only, true, but those are what eats most storage. Thats about tab and half.

how do you know atm all they hold is 10 after rune of holding

unless they have said it would be differnt

RazorEdge

RazorEdge

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Norway

Soul of Destruction

W/

/not signed.

I bought 5 or 6 additional character slots, and will probably buy these storage upgrades.

Besides, it's optional and they're gonna have to store more data, which means upgrading equipments etc. Has to come somewhere..

Be happy that we're even getting more storage.

tadevil

tadevil

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Presearing Ascalon. ;D

Uhh

Mo/

/Not Signed

Stop complaining, if you need it suck it up and pay up it's 10 RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dollars.

leeky baby

leeky baby

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Surrey University

Starting to play again... need a guild

W/E

/signed!

I think this is outrageous that they even considered charging us money for extra storage space!

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post
Convenience of not having to swap between chars or GWx2 various accounts. Convenience is the keyword here, $10 will buy you convenience.
Don't bother. Rational < rage in here. Despite the fact that this is indeed what the developers themselves have said was the case, people won't accept it. Despite the fact that they STILL HAVE THE OPTION to either not buy or buy a character slot or an extra account if that's what they feel is a better option then they can still do so. Despite the fact that everyone in the game is getting FREE expansions to storage as well as an additional optional expansion, people still think they're being ripped off.

Boycott? Screw your "boycott." Don't try to ruin things for the people that want these upgrades, especially when, as stated so many other times in this thread, there are other options still available for you in lieu of the $10 tabs if you choose them. ANet is not mandating a price increase on Amazon or Newegg, ANet is not negating $10 character slots to make the tabs more appealing. You now have an extra choice. No one expects 100% of the playerbase to choose the "newest" or most "convenient" option. Some will, and some won't, as with character slots, new accounts, and whatever other optional legal enhancements to gameplay are available.

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Originally Posted by leeky baby View Post
/signed!

I think this is outrageous that they even considered charging us money for extra storage space!
You mean like you pay for extra accounts or character slots for mules? Everyone was stoked when the Prophecies accounts were $5. Everyone USED to complain about character slots being $10. Now everyone is saying that's an attractive option.

Lest we forget, you're NOT BEING CHARGED for the 20 additional slots PER CHARACTER that you can obtain. That's 200 slots if you have one of each profession. A $100 value. Free. So shut up. They're not charging you for extra storage space. They're charging you for superfluous storage space in the case you feel it is necessary in addition to what they have given your for free or in addition to the other options that currently exist.

dts720666

dts720666

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/Me

/notsigned

ANet can charge whatever they want for extras in the game, as long as they don't require me to pay a monthly $15 fee to play. I am SO GLAD they are doing what they can to keep the game from having monthly fees.

Tullzinski

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

boycott = /unsigned

$10.00 for the optional storage = too pricey just buy extra toon (unless the price for extra toon is going up)

Equipment Packs in assorted sizes - Why? what are we having to do to get largest EP? Why would you want the smallest pack -

Every character will get a fifth slot for an Equipment Pack - okay you give me a extra slot for the pack but how do you get the pack?

Will we be forced to do Zaishen Challenge Quests to get 20 coins to get the biggest Equip Pack? I hope we will not be forced to complete a portion of the game for equipment packs.

Buster

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

/notsigned

Storage update is optional and there are no monthly fees for Guild Wars so all is good here.

JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger View Post
They are offering what people have been asking for, how is that a waste?

This storage update was a community out cry that we needed with all the stuff that has been added to guild wars over the last year or two; con sets, books, armor,minis, keys, tonics,inscriptions etc. The last time they updated storage it was free but it was based on how many guild wars campaigns you owned. Now they charge you money for all the extras they added since they don't have any more guild wars chapters to charge you for.

Basically its a waste because its going to effect small percentage of guild wars players not every player like free update. I'd rather have a new elite area added to locations of FoW, UW, but under one of the other gods than this or a new weapons mod trader which would get rid of 2 storage tabs instantly on my account. Unlocking pets that have been tamed is a good idea. We get a free character pack slot we'll most likely have to quest for.... holds only certain items.