Obviously, they're NOT TRADEABLE, but I mean in terms of value to the player. I think balance here will make or break people's use of the daily ZCQ.
For example, I haven't played the game in months but I'm sure you can still go farm for ecto. What is the current rate people farm ecto approximately with popular builds? It's my opinion (and one you can back up by looking at most of the game's empty content) that people will not focus on tasks that are low reward based. They'll instead simply mob around the most valuable tasks.
The other thing to take into consideration is Zkeys. Zkeys are in some way a joke, people with multiple accounts raking in endless money and use of them on monthly chest opening. Yet they're still worth a decent amount, for whatever reason I don't know, maybe sheer luck considering the abundance of them. So they have to be considered as the other thing that "takes away players from other content" because they give a vast reward for doing virtually nothing at all. So how will a zcoin exchange rate compare? And will people want to play missions that may be hard and require effort to get a reward that's already being given out like candy on Halloween every month?
They'd better hurry up and balance this before the update because frankly I'm already having a hard time seeing how the new daily challenge will fit in against a game with 2 super easy, super wealth producing mechanics already in place.
What should zcoins be worth?
IlikeGW
Lonesamurai
well if they aren't tradeable then they have no value
if they are, then surely they are worth however much they can be traded in for
if they are, then surely they are worth however much they can be traded in for
moriz
depends on what you can get from them. being a collector's item with no title attached, its value will be purely dependent on how popular the items you get for trading them in.
it also depends a bit on how the missions are structured. if it is random each time you talk to the npc, then the value of zcoins will be relatively fixed. if the mission changes by day, you'll probably find the zcoins spike in value on days higher end pvp is chosen as the mission.
as for long term trend, it's value will start relatively high, how high depends on the popularity of the items you get with them. since there's no title attached, its value will quickly go down.
it also depends a bit on how the missions are structured. if it is random each time you talk to the npc, then the value of zcoins will be relatively fixed. if the mission changes by day, you'll probably find the zcoins spike in value on days higher end pvp is chosen as the mission.
as for long term trend, it's value will start relatively high, how high depends on the popularity of the items you get with them. since there's no title attached, its value will quickly go down.
go cubs
Yah it all depends...we have no idea what exactly they will be used for so we will have to wait and see...
Scythe O F Glory
We don't even know what they are, what they're used for, how much it costs for whatever they're being used for, how many we get per quest...
Let's just wait for the freakin update.
Let's just wait for the freakin update.
Jensy
Well, for one, you can't trade them outside of your account. Linsey said as much at the chat the other night. You will be able to trade them in at the pet menagerie, and she said we would be able to use them to get zkeys, and other collector items (which *are* tradeable).
Rak Orgon of Beowulf
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We don't even know what they are, what they're used for, how much it costs for whatever they're being used for, how many we get per quest...
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GoGo Soggy!
IlikeGW
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Well, for one, you can't trade them outside of your account. Linsey said as much at the chat the other night. You will be able to trade them in at the pet menagerie, and she said we would be able to use them to get zkeys, and other collector items (which *are* tradeable).
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You guys aren't reading my post at all I know all this I'm saying how will they approach balance that makes them worthwhile reward for the quests
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Im not sure if i understand correctly, but if your saying how will they make the trade in for zcoins worthwhile when people have unlimited money from zkeys monthly. Then theyl probably trade them in for A: Balth faction, B: Green Zonly Weapons or something that goes in your HoM, and if coins are going to be non-tradeable then i presume the item you trade for will be customized for your account so you cannot sell it. So nothing traded actually has any value.
If this post didnt make sence, then please, ignore it, coz im not sure what your talking about, and im also a little on the booze and not sure what im talking about 100%
Eragon Zarroc
It is impossible to predict seeing as we do not know exactly what they are and how they are acquired. we only know they are used in pet menagerie, which doesn't seem like it will be a multi-million platinum business, lol
Jensy
Punctuation, man. Learn it.
Okay, there's no way to answer this just yet. I'd imagine that the reward will fit the quest difficulty. For example, you'd get more coins from the Urgoz Bounty Quest than you would from killing, like, suneh stormbringer on the plains of jarin. Likewise, we'll probably get more coins for winning a GvG than you will winning a JQ match.
It's all speculation at this point \o_O/
Okay, there's no way to answer this just yet. I'd imagine that the reward will fit the quest difficulty. For example, you'd get more coins from the Urgoz Bounty Quest than you would from killing, like, suneh stormbringer on the plains of jarin. Likewise, we'll probably get more coins for winning a GvG than you will winning a JQ match.
It's all speculation at this point \o_O/
Kook~NBK~
There's to much information that we don't know: Everything they can be traded for, How many will be given per quest reward, etc. But at a rough guess, I'd say.....
$2.50 ???
$2.50 ???
Shayne Hawke
The value of Z-Coins isn't the real question here, since Z-Coins themselves can't be traded. What matters is the relation between the worth of rewards. For example, Imperial Commendations have a value between 200 and 320 based on the rewards you obtain from them, and certainly some things you can get have more value than others. Those items with the highest return value determine the Commendation's worth. Granted, those are tradable, but the same thing applies to coins.
In today's market, for example, if you could turn in two Z-Coins for a Rice Bean Cake or fifty coins for a Z-Key, which would you choose to get more value out of your Coins? That's how the Z-Coin's worth will be determined, which makes Linsey's job of balancing those rewards tough. Hopefully, if she balances it a little out of proportion, they won't take too long to shift the reward scales.
In today's market, for example, if you could turn in two Z-Coins for a Rice Bean Cake or fifty coins for a Z-Key, which would you choose to get more value out of your Coins? That's how the Z-Coin's worth will be determined, which makes Linsey's job of balancing those rewards tough. Hopefully, if she balances it a little out of proportion, they won't take too long to shift the reward scales.
Codin The Great
it should be worth 1 MILLION PLATINUM!!! *puts pinkie finger up to mouth*
Winterclaw
100 zcoins should get you a set of zarmor.
GhostKairi
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100 zcoins should get you a set of zarmor.
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pumpkin pie
$9.90 for 100k?
Lonesamurai
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it should be worth 1 MILLION PLATINUM!!! *puts pinkie finger up to mouth*
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I actually just spat coffee over my monitor laughing
Empress Amarox
We don't particularly decide what they should be worth, Linsey does that. So, that's what they're going to be worth.
What should they be worth? Who knows... We don't even know what we have to do exactly to get them, and how many we get from doing said thing that we don't know of. That being said, if we don't know the difficulty to earn them, nor the amount or reward given, it's impossible to place a value.
What should they be worth? Who knows... We don't even know what we have to do exactly to get them, and how many we get from doing said thing that we don't know of. That being said, if we don't know the difficulty to earn them, nor the amount or reward given, it's impossible to place a value.
mazey vorstagg
I think they should be OVER 9000!!
More seriously, if each daily quest rewards 1 Zoin, then let's assume that a player has an average income of 0.8 Zoins a day. I'd say there should be a variety of rewards:
1-5 Zoin rewards consisting of things like Salvage kits, Repair kits as well as alcohol and sweets.
5-10 Zoin rewards where you get a stack of tonic, or a stack of summoning stones to summon an ally (like the golem ones or the imp one)
10-20 Zoin rewards: Collectors weapons with skins like those of the PvP only skins, or other weapons
20-25 Zoin rewards: Armor pieces, Zaishen Armor for every class. Or, if they don't make new armor skins then, an armour voucher to get mats and 15k for a piece of prestige armor.
More seriously, if each daily quest rewards 1 Zoin, then let's assume that a player has an average income of 0.8 Zoins a day. I'd say there should be a variety of rewards:
1-5 Zoin rewards consisting of things like Salvage kits, Repair kits as well as alcohol and sweets.
5-10 Zoin rewards where you get a stack of tonic, or a stack of summoning stones to summon an ally (like the golem ones or the imp one)
10-20 Zoin rewards: Collectors weapons with skins like those of the PvP only skins, or other weapons
20-25 Zoin rewards: Armor pieces, Zaishen Armor for every class. Or, if they don't make new armor skins then, an armour voucher to get mats and 15k for a piece of prestige armor.
Dronte
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cthulhu reborn
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You guys aren't reading my post at all I know all this I'm saying how will they approach balance that makes them worthwhile reward for the quests
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What you ask here is completely different from the title of your thread.
Do you want to know what z-coins should be worth or do you want to know how Anet will balance the rewards for the z-quests?
They are 2 completely different questions. If you feel that people misread your question, you should have been less ambiguous.
In the end we won't know untill we get a few basic questions answered:
-How much time/effort will it take per z-coin (this relates directly to the quest rewards and what you have to do to get them).
-What does a z-coin buy you exactly? (We may be able get z-keys but what is the exchange rate?)
Without exact answers to these questions there is no possibility to answer what gaming value the coins will have. In my view it will be related directly to the exchange rate for z-keys.
For your 2nd question, I would think that Anet balances it around the 2 basic questions I mentioned. It should basically not take more time/effort to get a z-key with z-coins than doing it with balthazar faction.
Since the b-day celebration starts a week from Thursday and I would assume they wouldn't want to do 2 things at the same time, it would seem logical that the content update will come this Thursday (unless Anet are confident enough that the one will not affect the other, which would seem unlikely, but hey it's their call). So let's just wait and see what the rewards are and what it takes to get them. Then you can instantly see if it's worth it to you or not.
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What you ask here is completely different from the title of your thread.
Do you want to know what z-coins should be worth or do you want to know how Anet will balance the rewards for the z-quests? They are 2 completely different questions. If you feel that people misread your question, you should have been less ambiguous. In the end we won't know untill we get a few basic questions answered: -How much time/effort will it take per z-coin (this relates directly to the quest rewards and what you have to do to get them). -What does a z-coin buy you exactly? (We may be able get z-keys but what is the exchange rate?) Without exact answers to these questions there is no possibility to answer what gaming value the coins will have. In my view it will be related directly to the exchange rate for z-keys. For your 2nd question, I would think that Anet balances it around the 2 basic questions I mentioned. It should basically not take more time/effort to get a z-key with z-coins than doing it with balthazar faction. Since the b-day celebration starts a week from Thursday and I would assume they wouldn't want to do 2 things at the same time, it would seem logical that the content update will come this Thursday (unless Anet are confident enough that the one will not affect the other, which would seem unlikely, but hey it's their call). So let's just wait and see what the rewards are and what it takes to get them. Then you can instantly see if it's worth it to you or not. |
We do not know how much Zoins will quests award.
We do not know how much Zoins you will need for X. We do not even know what X is except Zey and Pet Unlock. And do not know what those X will cost anyway.
We can assume that effort to get enough Zoins for one Zey will be similar to effort needed for 5k balth faction. Or maybe similar several clicks in XTH.
Coraline Jones
I like how the item hasn't even been implemented in game, and people are already giving it cute pet names like "zoins".
In any case, Z-coins will not have any value and can't be traded with anybody, so they have no inherent value whatsoever. You have to trade them for items which probably do have value, so there's your answer. Until you know the trade ratio, then I don't know what this discussion is trying to prove.
I personally see Zaishen Challenge Quests going one of two ways. Either the rewards are so lousy that people ignore them (like most quests today) and everybody goes back to their usual farming. Or they are so awesome that everybody begins farming Z-coins and then GWG has three or four threads every week complaining about:
* How the influx of Z-coins is "ruining the economy".
* The quests don't add any new content, and they make you do the same boring crap that you did already.
* The rewards/quests are broken and ArenaNet needs to do (suggestion) to fix it.
In any case, Z-coins will not have any value and can't be traded with anybody, so they have no inherent value whatsoever. You have to trade them for items which probably do have value, so there's your answer. Until you know the trade ratio, then I don't know what this discussion is trying to prove.
I personally see Zaishen Challenge Quests going one of two ways. Either the rewards are so lousy that people ignore them (like most quests today) and everybody goes back to their usual farming. Or they are so awesome that everybody begins farming Z-coins and then GWG has three or four threads every week complaining about:
* How the influx of Z-coins is "ruining the economy".
* The quests don't add any new content, and they make you do the same boring crap that you did already.
* The rewards/quests are broken and ArenaNet needs to do (suggestion) to fix it.
Proff
1 Billion Ecto. Each. Just because.
Red Sonya
Zcoins will be worthless they already told you that igmo. But, what you can trade them in for will have value and since they are going to be tied to Zkeys then that value will start out at about 3.7k per zkey, but, might take 5 zcoins to get a zkey. You can bet your bottom dollar though if it's faster farming zcoins to get zkeys then people will leave pvp and start pveing again for the zcoins except for the pvp that will give zcoins. At any rate I see this destroying the economy even more as people flock to get the zcoins to get zkeys which they will flood the market like the market has been flooded already and soon you will see zkey prices around 2k and then even less. Remember AMBER and JADE from Factions? I used to get 10k each for amber, now what's an amber chunk worth? 500gp? lol I wish anet would quit making things easy to farm that flood the market and drive prices down. Of course I made my fortune selling amber and jade until the prices dropped just like I made my 2nd fortune buying and selling zkeys (buy low sell high). I love it when I find a fool who'll trade me ectoes straight up for zkeys. 
mazey vorstagg
It would more likely be 2 ZKeys for a Zoin.You're limited to 1 zoin a day, even if it only takes you 20 minutes to get one. On some days you might have to run a HM Dungeon to get the bounty, which could take 2hours+
Zoins are gonna be hefty currency, you won't have tons hanging around. A ZKey is easy to get, comparatively.
Zoins are gonna be hefty currency, you won't have tons hanging around. A ZKey is easy to get, comparatively.
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You're limited to 1 zoin a day, even if it only takes you 20 minutes to get one.
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I do expect some limitation on repeating the quests in the same day, but I doubt it would be that restricted. There are three categories of quests catering to different demographics (casual PvE, "hardcore" PvE, and PvP) and three spaces in your quest log. So I expect you'd get 3 different quests per day which can be done once per day per account. And even a single one could reward more than a single Zcoin, plus I would be surprised if they prevented the other quests from counting towards your zcoin count.
mazey vorstagg
Fair point. I'm just imagining it being like a daily dungeon quest in WoW.
I presumed you'd only be able to get 1 of the three types of quest per day, and completing that quest would grant you a Zoin.
But you're right, if the guy offers all three quests then harder quests could reward more zoins and money than simple bounty quests.
I presumed you'd only be able to get 1 of the three types of quest per day, and completing that quest would grant you a Zoin.
But you're right, if the guy offers all three quests then harder quests could reward more zoins and money than simple bounty quests.
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Fair point. I'm just imagining it being like a daily dungeon quest in WoW.
I presumed you'd only be able to get 1 of the three types of quest per day, and completing that quest would grant you a Zoin. But you're right, if the guy offers all three quests then harder quests could reward more zoins and money than simple bounty quests. |
I'd also assume there would be different rewards of zoins for each quest as well(unless they keep the same and reward much higher bonuses for the other rewards, e.g. faction) since it would be ridiculous if there was a quest for an elite mission giving the same reward as killing Boss X or getting 5 wins in team arenas.
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Or they are so awesome that everybody begins farming Z-coins and then GWG has three or four threads every week complaining about:
* How the influx of Z-coins is "ruining the economy". * The quests don't add any new content, and they make you do the same boring crap that you did already. * The rewards/quests are broken and ArenaNet needs to do (suggestion) to fix it. |
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At any rate I see this destroying the economy even more as people flock to get the zcoins to get zkeys which they will flood the market like the market has been flooded already and soon you will see zkey prices around 2k and then even less.
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wetwillyhip
what's the point of discussing the value of the zcoin when we don't know how many we will need to get a zkey? nothing more is released to us...no reason to guess.
AKB48
and how will you GET the zcoins? OP? You are merely adding another unnecessary part to GW. Don't bother, zkey is nice because it is like lottery, people do it just for the excitement (or however you wanna call it) of opening the chest in hopes of getting something good.
cataphract
I want monthly Automated Pet vs Pet Matches so we can all bet on animals fighting each other and reap the rewards. Unlock pets and other stuff with coins, each pet costing more than the previous one with the Guild Lord costing 1,000,000 coins to unlock. The Guild Lord pet could be shown in outposts and he'd rank everyone that isn't wearing Obsidian armor.
Also a Zaishen Slot machine which would work with coins ofcourse, and players would have a chance to win even more coins and trade them for Zaishen Armor pieces that glow even more than Chaos Gloves.
Ofcourse, winning and losing on that slot machine would give points in lucky/unlucky titles.
Should I go to Sardelac with this?
Also a Zaishen Slot machine which would work with coins ofcourse, and players would have a chance to win even more coins and trade them for Zaishen Armor pieces that glow even more than Chaos Gloves.
Ofcourse, winning and losing on that slot machine would give points in lucky/unlucky titles.
Should I go to Sardelac with this?
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and how will you GET the zcoins? OP? You are merely adding another unnecessary part to GW. Don't bother, zkey is nice because it is like lottery, people do it just for the excitement (or however you wanna call it) of opening the chest in hopes of getting something good.
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Arduin
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Should I go to Sardelac with this?
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On the Zoins, I'd say Linsey and Co. will figure out the balance between the rewards we'll get for each quest, and what can be bought from the Zoins. What's really to discuss for us at this time?
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I want monthly Automated Pet vs Pet Matches so we can all bet on animals fighting each other and reap the rewards.
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Someone already suggested something similar for minipets.
But I do not want more Xunlai style betting before they get it right, it still has issues all the time.
And actually... I see no chance this will ever get implemented in GW1 unless they get the idea to put it in the store as optional content... cough.
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Perhaps you missed the memo, but Zoins are the reward from doing the Zaishen Challenge quests ANet are adding in the April update. The OP isn't suggesting their addition - they're already on the way.
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either way, I wont support this
BenjZee
the ratio of Zoins - Zkeys - Balthazar factions will also have to be balanced with the zoins or balthazar faction to purchase each pet...this should be interesting.
We'll have to wait and see
We'll have to wait and see
Lonesamurai
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I wont support this
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do you think the Zoins area bad thing?