Equipment Packs

Gained? A sense of accomplishment for those who buy the bigger ones, a feeling of roleplaying/immersion, or a simple gold sink (which this game is sorely lacking). You may as well ask why skills cost 1k, armor costs at least 1k plus materials, ID kits cost 100g 25 uses and superior kits costs 500g for 100 uses.

Lulz. Yes it is. The fact that we've gone 4 years without it (and that we went a good 2 years with just one storage pane) is proof positive that it is optional.

A stack of 250 ectos would be completely optional as well; I don't have one, but I play the game just as well as anyone with one. Go out and find someone who would turn down a free stack of ectos, and I'll stop laughing at "optional = no one would turn it down". For your convenience: the definition of optional.

I do enjoy how you're saying that storage is more vital than skills. This is supposed to be an action RPG based around combat, not Barbie Dress-Up Time. Without anything other than a single pane of storage and our characters' individual storage, GW would still have solid gameplay. Without skills but with unlimited storage, it wouldn't even be a game.

Add ecto stacks to the online store for $9.99 - I'd consider that one.

So this is now a Epeen item, just what we needed more epeen stuff. Like I stated before in game gold no problem. Go through multiple quests to obtain larger storage - grind which no one would choose not to do.

So if ANET put in a checkbox giving you a choice to remove additional storage and return to 1 pane of storage, you think there are people that would choose that? As I said before 1. Nobody would not choose storage.
2. Just because you MAKE something optional does not mean it truly is optional. There is the the option to breathe air or water, but someone chooses not to breathe air and breathes water instead. This is an option everyone has but would someone choose it being of sound mind?

The guy that has no more room in storage for the stack of ectos would have to turn it down. You can stop laughing now.

I am happy that I have bought you some joy. What I said was your comparisions fail-skills being one of them. I can choose to go through the entire game without any number of skills. IMO if people were given a choice between having 20 skills unlocked or 20 storage slots they would choose storage. You are trying to tell me that I stated 1. storage = better gameplay 2. Storage is more vital than skills - quite a stretch. Please show me where I specifically or even implied these 2 items.

Show me the guy that wouldn't delete an item in storage if someone offered him a stack of ectos for free. (except the already stupidly rich )

Have to turn it down? Don't think so

Edit:
After rereading your post. I'll comment on this. If I had to do a series of quests to get the max size EP then I'd probably not bother as I don't have a problem with my current storage levels.

The guys whos inventory if full of stacks of ambraces.

What a weird notion. Isn't it completely obvious that when ANet makes extra storage optional, it truly is optional?

Thank you!

Skyy High wanted an example and I gave him one.

I can see your reason for not doing any possible quests associatied with the EPs, but there is a chance you may need it later and then would HAVE to complete to get the additional storage. Is you HOM armor and weapons full up???

Yes I get that it is optional, no one has to do it.

My polish alarm is going off though! It is not making sense to me as to WHY it is optional!

A majority of people want/ask for more storage.
More storage is made available by ANET in the form of EPs, but you have a option to get it.
Majority of people get the EP storage.
What is the point of making EP's optional when the majority of people wanted it in the first place and will get it no matter what grind/in game cost may be attached to it.

Just expand storage and be done with it like ANET did the first time.

Give everyone the same size EP and be done with it. Trying to add associated content with EPs may be a reason but seems to add grind and force a majority of people to play the additional content.

My point is that if this is quest driven the majority of people will feel the need to complete it to get the additional storage. Defeating the whole reason to make it an option.

However...
Perhaps since a small minority of people will not need/want it and this will probably save ANET some server space, hence the need to make it an option.

I would do it either way. Quest or in game money. I would prefer quests though if I had to decide. And something more to do in game would seem to be something everyone would want.

I've just had a thought about the Equipment Packs...

Will they be available in presear?

I hope so, since we just got a whole bunch of new things to store there. Unfortunately, an equipment pack won't really help much with that, since most of us probably aren't carrying more than a couple of weapons/offhands. But any help is better than none at all.

However since posting that, I've remembered Charr Bags...

so them appearing and being available in presear seems less likely to me

Even a basic 5-slot one would be great to have in pre, especially while we probably can't hope for more, because the bigger ones are most likely intended to be rewards for new content and biggest may be somewhat hard to get (hopefully the progression is done right). But Pre needs an account storage more, a good convenient way to transfer items between characters without help of other account. I'd love to sacrifice a tab in post to have one ine pre.

I was wondering today about a one way only type of storage tab for pre characters

like a chest around the secret garden area that any character could put stuff into in pre and take out in post, but not put anything in

omg and they could call it a TIME CAPSULE it makes perfect sense!!

oh wait pre searing is just a tutorial area with little content that players are intended to leave relatively quickly and anet doesn't care about perma-pre characters because the rest of guild wars is more important? nvm then.

Yeah, it's an e-peen item, like Runes of Holding are e-peen items.

F***ing moron. Where in this quote did I mention e-peen?
Where? Not a goddamn word.

Optional. Does. Not. Mean. Desirable. Do you need a pickaxe-shaped dictionary to get this through your head?

Can you play the game without storage? Yes. YES. You have been playing it without storage, THEREFORE IT IS OPTIONAL. Period. End of f***ing semantic argument.

Um, duuuur?
Sell multiple stacks of armbraces, buy rarest minipet in the game which costs at least a couple of stacks, accept stack of ectos, sell ectos and buy a few more armbraces. Are we now going to postulate that a player who has every storage slot filled up with mini pandas and MPBs wouldn't accept a stack of ectos? Because I really need the laugh, you know.

Of course, invoking some theoretical player who has literally hundreds of stacks of armbraces just sitting around as the sole player who would turn down the (relatively piddly) amount of cash that a stack of ectos represents doesn't really help your argument. If anything, it just makes it look more pathetic.

Ahem.
The antonym of optional is "required". Therefore, by saying that unlocking skills is optional, you are saying that they are not required.

This all stems from you having no f***ing idea what "optional" means. Going to graduate school is optional. Reading a book in your free time is optional. Playing this game is optional. Note that, in none of these cases, would everyone would do the "optional" thing if they could, because that's not what it means!

God forbid they give us a reason to play the game. I said this already: the game needs gold sinks. That's why skills cost 1k, that's why ID kits cost 100g. Of course, you completely misinterpreted all of this already as "lulz I liek e-peen", so I don't even know if it's worth saying this again, but hey, I'm an optimist.

...and then they introduced tomes, in which money is not removed but exchanged between players (and for as low as 200g/skill mind you).
oh and they also introduced options to obtain id kits through collectible items.


if you want my opinion, making the bags hard to get, and the bigger bags harder to get was for one reason only: less server resources taken up.

I think that would be GREAT FUN as I'd rather earn it INGAME than have to pay OUT OF GAME REAL LIFE DOLLARS for it like the extra 4 storage slots which are overpriced.

I'm all for anything INGAME for aquiring new content. It's the real life dollars they try to get out of us on these updates that irks me off.

Since you have degenerated to name calling and swearing I will not engage you further since I am angering you. Not that it offends a retired navy sailor, but that it is showing inability to have a discussion without taking it personaly. Not once did I call you any name or berate you for you opinion. The harshest thing I said was your compairisons fail.

If EPs are tied to quests then it is grind and you are being forced to play the game as dictated by ANET and a majority of people will do it despite it being OPTIONAL, which defeats the purpose of it being optional. Just post that you disagree and refrain personal attacks.

I really have to agree with Snaek about it being solely to take up less server resources. That makes alot of sense when seen from that viewpoint.

You are the one who took "a sense of accomplishment for those who buy the bigger ones, a feeling of roleplaying/immersion, or a simple gold sink" and reduced it to "e-peen". You are the one who continually and stubbornly refuses to use the word "optional" correctly. Insults I can handle; outright stupidity in the face of a sound argument, or deliberate misrepresentation of my position, is inexcusable.

Equipement packs 15 gold zcoins for heavy pack

70 copper coins possible per mission

1 silver coin costs 50 copper

1 gold coin cost 10 silver
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need 150 siver

need 7500 copper coins

107 ish missions provided you get all the optional requirements

If you want it you are going to grind for it. Now the different sizes make sense you can choose how much grind you want to do.

small pack 5 silver coins 5 slots
light pack 1 gold coin 10 slots
large pack 5 gold coins 15 slots
heavy pack 15 coins 20 slots

someone double check my math I may be off or I just dont believe it takes that many copper coins.


GvG has a possible of 350 copper coins per battle (if bonuses completed)

Bounty has a possible of 175 coins (if bonuses completed)

not too bad if you GvG

I divide that amongst my characters assuming i'll be doin this a few times a day and it doesn't seem as bad..but sitll i suppose its somhing to work for.

Not at all quests offer the same amount of Z-coins. The Mission one offered 70 if you do it in HM. The Bounty gives 175 if you do it in HM. The PVP one gives a possible...350 Z-coins if you can win a round in the AT and 3 rated GvGs.

But they are repeatable on each character. So if you wanted to grind out the mission one in HM 8 times at 30minutes a run. Take you 4 hours to get 560 Copper Z-coins, which is 11 Silver Coins. Which is 1 Gold Coin. Which is the Light Eqpack.

Either way if you do just one or two a day, its going to take some time to get the Eqpack, espically since Z-coins can't be traded between people, but they can be traded through you're account, but i'm not sure how yet as they can't be put into storage...


Which is how their are supposed to be traded sooo currently its bugged.

Pretty much the bottom line is this: Anet introduced another grind to the game full of grind to keep us occupied until GW2. Because it'll take a casual player that long to do it. 70 points for the mission. 10 characters. 700 coins per day, if I'm lucky to have all 10 characters able to do that mission that day. 11 days for one 40-slot equipment pack for one character. That's if I have 6 hours per day to do everything.

"but you don't need 40 extra slots on all your characters do you?"

Who says? I can't have multiple armors? Punished for utilizing the biggest gold sink in the game? Punished for playing the game enough to have accumulated multiple weapon sets on each character? Or punishing farmers and players with these accumulations are collateral damage?

Why it's even a physical item (i.e. taking up space in inv) and not something more convenient like how tourney points are stored, I don't get either.

I suppose I could be cynical and assume it's done this way to give people even greater impetus to spring for more storage tabs to hold what CAN be placed in storage.

DING DING DING whadda we have for him Johnny?

Hey, anet had to think of something for us to do till 2010. Bah. Maybe one 20 pack for my main, the rest will make do with 2.5k fivers.

Well I mean they are called Z-coins? So yea they are a physcial item, even if its ironic they introduce a storage update paid for by more physical items. THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IN YOUR STORAGE YET!!!!!!

Overall - I like the quests but 7500 copper coins for heavy equip is way way too much. Should be at the price the medium is and the medium should cost what the light does.

Um... ok, what is the "purpose of it being optional" then?

I hope this is just the start and more methods to gain these larger packs open up to the playerbase. Locking the attainment of them through just one portion of this rather sprawling by now game seems less about optional and more about 'play this portion of the game repeatedly even if you don't enjoy it'.

Originally my thinking was that people would get the best pack no matter what was needed to be done to get it. May have to revisit that due to the grind involved.