This thread illustrates perfectly why this topic is extremely delicate. Everyone has good and bad arguments on both sides of the "fence". But Anet has to be this "fence" and bear the consequences of their choice on these policies. Many players only see their side of the argument, each participant of this thread has some kind of "logic" to base its argument on. But there isn't a sound and formal logic that can be used as a common ground for a foolproof policy, hence the problem of finding a middle ground, that will undoubtedly lead to making some players angry. People who (rigthfully) blame Anet for stupid bans should also highlight the fact that they reversed some of these bans.
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Jecht Scye
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Fril Estelin
Targren
You're being sarcastic, but yes, that's actually exactly the case. You cannot preach tolerance and then advocate intolerance towards those who do not conform, without losing any moral high ground to utter hypocrisy. It's like trying to legislate against stupidity.
Tullzinski
You mean like this:
The Arizona Stupid Motorist Law
http://www.arizona-vacation-planner....orist-law.html
Targren
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You mean like this:
The Arizona Stupid Motorist Law http://www.arizona-vacation-planner....orist-law.html |
Although that law is more about punishing stupidity, which I am all for.
I love this part...
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HawkofStorms
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You're being sarcastic, but yes, that's actually exactly the case. You cannot preach tolerance and then advocate intolerance towards those who do not conform, without losing any moral high ground to utter hypocrisy. It's like trying to legislate against stupidity.
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They don't have to. They are a company. They own the product. They can do whatever they want with it.
Junato
Okaaaayyy.....
Doesn't Anet have the knowledge that common folks like us wouldn't know anything in respect to what names would be in another language. I have to say that they must have management issues over there. A bias more like.
Why don't they set up a basis in respect to language. For example, the polish case we all live in Canada and America mostly and they need to know that in order to have a system to realize that the common folks in America and Canada are not polish. Its a minority threat.
They are basically nitpicking the possible offensive words in the game. I am surprised that the 6 letters in assassin is not blocked. I also notice that for some long words a part of the word has an offensive word in it and they block it.
I have got a solution for them to wise up. Ask for peoples ages and reflect that on the basis of filtering offensive words.
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to the guy that explained the stupid motorist law, that isn't the stupidest law I have heard... One I heard is that if you are caught going to china with gum you can go to jail.
Stupid laws in Canada -http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/469049/stupid_laws_in_canada.html
Doesn't Anet have the knowledge that common folks like us wouldn't know anything in respect to what names would be in another language. I have to say that they must have management issues over there. A bias more like.
Why don't they set up a basis in respect to language. For example, the polish case we all live in Canada and America mostly and they need to know that in order to have a system to realize that the common folks in America and Canada are not polish. Its a minority threat.
They are basically nitpicking the possible offensive words in the game. I am surprised that the 6 letters in assassin is not blocked. I also notice that for some long words a part of the word has an offensive word in it and they block it.
I have got a solution for them to wise up. Ask for peoples ages and reflect that on the basis of filtering offensive words.
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to the guy that explained the stupid motorist law, that isn't the stupidest law I have heard... One I heard is that if you are caught going to china with gum you can go to jail.
Stupid laws in Canada -http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/469049/stupid_laws_in_canada.html
Fitz Rinley
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Hasn't the history shown us that it's the attitudes of expansion and globalisation that lead to war?
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They don't have to. They are a company. They own the product. They can do whatever they want with it. |
As soon as it becomes known that ANet has chosen to promote intolerance, support cultural bigotry as a means to eliminating oponents you cannot beat, and allow random griefing of players by holding them accountable for things they cannot know ahead of time, then this game will be on its way out and so will NC West.
Tolerance and inclusion is the international standard to avoid the repeat of WW I and WW II. With the exception of one segment of fundamentalists in the Third World, that effort has been successful in avoiding atleast one Nuclear Holocaust and heating up a cold war. Tolerance is the Ethical standard by which all governing bodies, including corporations, are now accountable both socially, and in majority lawfully. So, while there may not exist any specific law requiring they actively promote tolerance, as a social vector of society, it is mandatory they do so. Their income will rely much more on toleration than the lack of it.
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Tolerance and inclusion is the international standard to avoid the repeat of WW I and WW II.
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With the exception of one segment of fundamentalists in the Third World,
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..that effort has been successful in avoiding atleast one Nuclear Holocaust and heating up a cold war.
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Tolerance is the Ethical standard by which all governing bodies, including corporations, are now accountable both socially, and in majority lawfully.
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Their income has been just fine over the last several centuries and - this may be shocking to you - it has not been based on tolerance. It was more along the lines of enslavement, plunder, war, colonisation and outright occupations.
Lonesamurai
Ok, as Tycho himself said today, he and everyone, has a capacity to offend that sometimes they just can't turn off...
Oh come on... it is funny in a "it really shouldn't be" way...
... please don't lynch me...
Oh come on... it is funny in a "it really shouldn't be" way...
... please don't lynch me...
Tullzinski
@Lone - That is funny. Of course some think I am a bit twisted anyway.
Guess I am not going to get an answer on being able to clean up you own accounts.
hehe...amazing that it has to be stated, but you know that someone did not call for help because they broke the law. Compounding the stupidity. Need a law to make it against the law not to call for help if you break the law...Where does it end?
Guess I am not going to get an answer on being able to clean up you own accounts.
hehe...amazing that it has to be stated, but you know that someone did not call for help because they broke the law. Compounding the stupidity. Need a law to make it against the law not to call for help if you break the law...Where does it end?
pumpkin pie
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This thread illustrates perfectly why this topic is extremely delicate. Everyone has good and bad arguments on both sides of the "fence". But Anet has to be this "fence" and bear the consequences of their choice on these policies. Many players only see their side of the argument, each participant of this thread has some kind of "logic" to base its argument on. But there isn't a sound and formal logic that can be used as a common ground for a foolproof policy, hence the problem of finding a middle ground, that will undoubtedly lead to making some players angry. People who (rigthfully) blame Anet for stupid bans should also highlight the fact that they reversed some of these bans.
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Red Sonya
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There is a difference between light-side capitalism and dark-side capitalism. Expansionism can also mean inclusion rather than exclusion and oppression. Because left-minded philosophies reject ethical foundation, seeking to obtain Utopia by eliminating the effort to do right, they are incapable of accepting there is difference.
They are free to push and support intolerance, bigotry, chauvinism, and prejudice as much as they like. They are free to savage their customer base by holding them accountable to the impossible. They do have that choice, lawfully or unlawfully, to do whatever they feel like. Socially, they do not have that choice. As soon as it becomes known that ANet has chosen to promote intolerance, support cultural bigotry as a means to eliminating oponents you cannot beat, and allow random griefing of players by holding them accountable for things they cannot know ahead of time, then this game will be on its way out and so will NC West. Tolerance and inclusion is the international standard to avoid the repeat of WW I and WW II. With the exception of one segment of fundamentalists in the Third World, that effort has been successful in avoiding atleast one Nuclear Holocaust and heating up a cold war. Tolerance is the Ethical standard by which all governing bodies, including corporations, are now accountable both socially, and in majority lawfully. So, while there may not exist any specific law requiring they actively promote tolerance, as a social vector of society, it is mandatory they do so. Their income will rely much more on toleration than the lack of it. |
FalconDance
Anet is sad, just sad. Support is so worried right now about super secret words embedded in names that might mean something awful to someone in a foreign (to the originator) language that they're totally ignoring the new morons naming characters in totally inappropriate ways.
I mean, obviously these folks are trying to see how long they can get away with a toon named "Molesting Gwen" or "Castratus Tu Padre" or Rawwr Gasm[laid].
Seriously, leave the rest of us alone and go after these little kiddies who think they're so cute and bullet-proof. (And I am not equating age with the word kiddies, either.)
I mean, obviously these folks are trying to see how long they can get away with a toon named "Molesting Gwen" or "Castratus Tu Padre" or Rawwr Gasm[laid].
Seriously, leave the rest of us alone and go after these little kiddies who think they're so cute and bullet-proof. (And I am not equating age with the word kiddies, either.)
Fitz Rinley
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It was the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction that kept the world away from a nuclear exchange between warring sides. Not tolerance, not inclusion, not tree-hugging hippies but first and second strike capabilities.
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Tell them what? It is their own inter-tribal and inter-cultural animosity that is destroying them and keeping them from being profitable, by both their own standards and ours. Consider custom practices that inhibit trade and make contracts impossible to fulfill, practices of genocide and slavery that predate the existence of the west by Millenia, and outdated feudalistic systems equating to gang warfare abandoned by Western civilization centuries ago.
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Their income has been just fine over the last several centuries and - this may be shocking to you - it has not been based on tolerance. It was more along the lines of enslavement, plunder, war, colonisation and outright occupations.
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Your sense of history is unbalanced with an agenda based on turning the formally oppressed into the new oppressors. That has never resulted in liberation. It continues to fail African tribes to this day carrying out thousand year old blood feuds against one another. It has failed to advance people following that policy of genocide and persecution adopted in the Middle East in the early 600s AD. Consider the treatment of the Nestori, Zarthushti, Yazidi, etc. The reason Western Civilization stands accusable of anything is because it practices self-critical analysis. This does not exist outside of Zarthushti-Judeo-Christian heritage and those it has heavily influenced historically.
HawkofStorms
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Why isn't this closed already? All this talk about the evils of Nazism and all these other dumb metaphors to a.net are getting out of hand.
They are acting no different from any other online game company. Get over yourselves.
Why isn't this closed already? All this talk about the evils of Nazism and all these other dumb metaphors to a.net are getting out of hand.
They are acting no different from any other online game company. Get over yourselves.
Fitz Rinley
Funny, that - in several dozen games played by members of the Gaming Clan I am in no one seems to be comparing this to a regular practice by some other game. Perhaps, holding people accountable for things they cannot know, in languages they do not speak fluently or natively, with inuendos that are not available in any normal dictionary or classroom text, hundreds of miles away, under transliterations that are questionable, with a lack of multi-lingual support text (or even IPA), when they are unable to identify the parts of speech themselves, and especially when the name banned was not pruriant in the language it was meant to be understood in is just a little outside of the normal behavior of other games. But even assuming it was normal behavior, that is no reason NC West should not hold itself to a higher standard.
Tullzinski
LOL in light of the update I know why I never got an answer to clean up your own house.
Cheaper to report youself, take the 72 hour ban and get your named changed for free.
Maybe ANET will start to charge us for a name change due to a report violation. 15 bucks to fix a naming infraction account locked until you pay...
Cheaper to report youself, take the 72 hour ban and get your named changed for free.
Maybe ANET will start to charge us for a name change due to a report violation. 15 bucks to fix a naming infraction account locked until you pay...
Fril Estelin
Fitz Rinley
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LOL in light of the update I know why I never got an answer to clean up your own house.
Cheaper to report youself, take the 72 hour ban and get your named changed for free. Maybe ANET will start to charge us for a name change due to a report violation. 15 bucks to fix a naming infraction account locked until you pay... |
Tullzinski
JoeKnowMo
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LOL in light of the update I know why I never got an answer to clean up your own house.
Cheaper to report youself, take the 72 hour ban and get your named changed for free. Maybe ANET will start to charge us for a name change due to a report violation. 15 bucks to fix a naming infraction account locked until you pay... |