Shiro and knockdown
Tharg
Can you move 'You Move Like a Dwarf' to knock down Shiro in that second last mission? Does the knock down cancel his battle scars stance? The information on Wiki is not 100% clear.
Lord Of Blame
I don't think this will knock him down if used alone, perhaps using it with earthbind will.
Knockdowns shorter than three seconds don't work on Shiro. Thus, Shiro can be knocked down (although very shortly) by Warriors using a Stonefist Insignia, or by the skill Backbreaker. Earthbind will increase the knockdown duration on Shiro, as well as enable other knockdown skills to knock Shiro down.
No matter what it will not cancel his stance. You have to use a skill that ends a stance for that to happen, which YMLAD does not do.
Knockdowns shorter than three seconds don't work on Shiro. Thus, Shiro can be knocked down (although very shortly) by Warriors using a Stonefist Insignia, or by the skill Backbreaker. Earthbind will increase the knockdown duration on Shiro, as well as enable other knockdown skills to knock Shiro down.
No matter what it will not cancel his stance. You have to use a skill that ends a stance for that to happen, which YMLAD does not do.
Zodiac Meteor
I don't think shiro can be KD.
DarkNecrid
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
I don't think shiro can be KD.
He can, just not through normal KDs.
YMLAD won't KD him, but it will still cripple.
YMLAD won't KD him, but it will still cripple.
Ariena Najea
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Originally Posted by Lord of Blame
Knockdowns shorter than three seconds don't work on Shiro. Thus, Shiro can be knocked down (although very shortly) by Warriors using a Stonefist Insignia, or by the skill Backbreaker. Earthbind will increase the knockdown duration on Shiro, as well as enable other knockdown skills to knock Shiro down.
I don't think that's correct regarding [[Backbreaker], however the [[Earthbind] comment is definitely true and works wonders. Note that Earthbind will make ANY creature able to be knocked down, regardless if they cannot normally.
Tharg
will the knock down (the Eartbind knock down or any other knock down) break his stance - the Battle Scars stance?
zelgadissan
Knockdowns don't break stances.
If you're doing this with heroes - slap [[Wild Blow] on either Melonni or a [[Warrior's Endurance] Koss and micro it every time he goes into Battle Scars, smack him out of it with that. [[Wild Throw], [[Wild Strike], and [[Whirling Axe] are also good possibilities, but Wild Blow is the only one that you can guarantee will be ready since it has an 8s recharge compared to the 11s of Battle Scars. Others either require adrenaline or a lead attack, and by that time you might have been raped.
If you're doing this with heroes - slap [[Wild Blow] on either Melonni or a [[Warrior's Endurance] Koss and micro it every time he goes into Battle Scars, smack him out of it with that. [[Wild Throw], [[Wild Strike], and [[Whirling Axe] are also good possibilities, but Wild Blow is the only one that you can guarantee will be ready since it has an 8s recharge compared to the 11s of Battle Scars. Others either require adrenaline or a lead attack, and by that time you might have been raped.
ac1inferno
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shiro tagachi
special abilities
- skills cannot be disabled.
- natural resistance.
- resistant to knockdowns.
Knockdowns shorter than three seconds don't work on shiro. Thus, shiro can be knocked down (although very shortly) by warriors using a stonefist insignia, or by the skill [[backbreaker]. [[earthbind] will increase the knockdown duration on shiro, as well as enable other knockdown skills to knock shiro down.
Battle scars
skills such as [[wild blow] that end stances are also effective.
Meditation of the reaper
this skill is not a stance, so wild blow won't end it. 123456789012
special abilities
- skills cannot be disabled.
- natural resistance.
- resistant to knockdowns.
Knockdowns shorter than three seconds don't work on shiro. Thus, shiro can be knocked down (although very shortly) by warriors using a stonefist insignia, or by the skill [[backbreaker]. [[earthbind] will increase the knockdown duration on shiro, as well as enable other knockdown skills to knock shiro down.
Battle scars
skills such as [[wild blow] that end stances are also effective.
Meditation of the reaper
this skill is not a stance, so wild blow won't end it. 123456789012
Cirian
Zenmai can solo Shiro for you if you leave him until last (killed the lich and activated all the shrines). Make her A/W and give her something like... 15 Daggers, 14 Crit and oh, [skill]Wild Blow[/skill], [skill]Golden Fox Strike[/skill], [skill]Wild Strike[/skill], [skill]Death Blossom[/skill] for attacks and say [skill]Flashing Blades[/skill], [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill], [skill]Critical Eye[/skill] for defence and that should be that.
I like a Zenami build similar to that to partner my warrior in areas where there are enemies with things like [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill], [skill]Whirling Defense[/skill] or [skill]Escape[/skill] since the stances get chopped down pretty quickly, and apart from Shiro's "Battle Scars" stance in that mission there are also those ranger demons with [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill] that are pretty annoying if you're using a weapon.
So really I suppose I'd forget about KD's on Shiro, he's not very dangerous until you actually have to kill him and you can have Zenmai do that for you in safety if you know the right spot
I like a Zenami build similar to that to partner my warrior in areas where there are enemies with things like [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill], [skill]Whirling Defense[/skill] or [skill]Escape[/skill] since the stances get chopped down pretty quickly, and apart from Shiro's "Battle Scars" stance in that mission there are also those ranger demons with [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill] that are pretty annoying if you're using a weapon.
So really I suppose I'd forget about KD's on Shiro, he's not very dangerous until you actually have to kill him and you can have Zenmai do that for you in safety if you know the right spot
Tharg
thanks guys. By the way, how does Discord work in that mission? Can I just go with 5 Discordway heroes and a Koss with Wild Blow and spike the sh... out of them?
Lord Of Blame
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thanks guys. By the way, how does Discord work in that mission? Can I just go with 5 Discordway heroes and a Koss with Wild Blow and spike the sh... out of them?
Yes. Discordway will work for this mission. You do not need Koss. There is a little trick to killing Shiro when you get to him. Instead of trying to explain this just watch this video, at 5:12 he explains how to beat Shiro. I have used this technique every time and it has always worked. This video also gives details on how to complete masters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYP0NHT_kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmYP0NHT_kk
Paultjuh45
Maybe a late response but uhm.. if you'd use a normal party for this mission, so if u're not running it, you can do the entire mission with just normal pull and lure strategies. The only hard thing is shiro, as for him... just bring a ss'er along, rush into him and he'll use like 15 skills a second, which will kill him in like 2 seconds, without damagin your party dramaticly. Once you killed shiro it's a piece a cake.
Tharg
I did it with a friend and 6 Discord necroes. It was like like cutting through butter with a warm knife. Next character I will try SS as well - sounds like fun!