i capped locust's fury today and i got an idea.
with locust's fury and critical agillity you attack once every 0.5 sec.
meaning you can get 8 andrenaline in 4 sec, for save yourselves.
the build idea:
[build=imbasin;OwFi0xjMZAp/UDOAFDOBdmJAAA]
also, this is fun to, dealing about 100 dps @ master of damage:
and i have asura title on 1 or so
[build=DPS guy;OwZjood4ITGQ6P1gvl2CAAAACAA]
so, any ideas on it?
Locust's fury sin idea, the imbasin
riktw
NecroticChanter
bet it isn't as efficient as the MB-DB spam build for build up andren for SY!
riktw
the build with conjure *** and asuran scan deals about 100DPS.
with strengh and honer, judge's insight, barbs, splinter weapon and mark of pain its sick.
a lot of aoe damage and almost 200 single target DPS for a minute long.
for SY! spam my build is faster, about 70% of double strike and you attack 33% faster.
thats almost 2 attacks a second.
just tried, i get about 50 DPS with the imba build, and i can cast SY! every 4 a 5 sec, that about perma SY!
with strengh and honer, judge's insight, barbs, splinter weapon and mark of pain its sick.
a lot of aoe damage and almost 200 single target DPS for a minute long.
for SY! spam my build is faster, about 70% of double strike and you attack 33% faster.
thats almost 2 attacks a second.
just tried, i get about 50 DPS with the imba build, and i can cast SY! every 4 a 5 sec, that about perma SY!
Skyy High
Doesn't [Assassin's Remedy] need an attack skill to work?
riktw
ow shiiii, your right Q_Q
hmm, you should take some nice anti condition skills on your monk than.
or take a necro that inflicts a lot of conditions and take Signet of Malice.
hmm, you should take some nice anti condition skills on your monk than.
or take a necro that inflicts a lot of conditions and take Signet of Malice.
Taixen
If you're aiming to get as much SY! as you can, why don't you use [FGJ] in place of [Dash]?
[Assassin's Remedy] does need an attack skill as far as I know, which opens up more options again, looks like it should be a fun change from usual builds all the same!
[Assassin's Remedy] does need an attack skill as far as I know, which opens up more options again, looks like it should be a fun change from usual builds all the same!
riktw
well my warrior is level 6 so i dont know a lot of warrior skills.
but for great justice is really nice i must say.
going to add that one.
just did tannakai temple on NM with an friend with moebius sin build.
1 monk WoH hero, 1 monk life sheat hero and 1 MM hero.
and some PuG guys, with crappy build without elites.
and no one died, masters and almost perma SY!.
so its not that bad i would say
but for great justice is really nice i must say.
going to add that one.
just did tannakai temple on NM with an friend with moebius sin build.
1 monk WoH hero, 1 monk life sheat hero and 1 MM hero.
and some PuG guys, with crappy build without elites.
and no one died, masters and almost perma SY!.
so its not that bad i would say
Rhamia Darigaz
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or take a necro that inflicts a lot of conditions and take Signet of Malice.
are you intentionally trying to avoid [foul feast]?
Chthon
Paul Dawg
That is correct:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Double_strike
Edited to add: Why not something like this?
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye][golden phoenix strike][critical strike]["save yourselves!" (luxon)]
... and then an open slot for whatever you'd like, [sunspear rebirth signet], [critical defenses], [pain inverter], [asuran scan], [ebon battle standard of honor], you name it. Just attack normally, and throw in [golden phoenix strike][critical strike] for assured critical hits whenever they're available.
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Double_strike
Edited to add: Why not something like this?
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye][golden phoenix strike][critical strike]["save yourselves!" (luxon)]
... and then an open slot for whatever you'd like, [sunspear rebirth signet], [critical defenses], [pain inverter], [asuran scan], [ebon battle standard of honor], you name it. Just attack normally, and throw in [golden phoenix strike][critical strike] for assured critical hits whenever they're available.
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As far as I know, attack skills will never result in a double strike.
RadaArashi
Why is this a "imbasin" again?
Eragon Zarroc
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Why is this a "imbasin" again?
SY-sin, not quite as imba as imbagon =D and yeah, definately take [for great justice].
SY-sin, not quite as imba as imbagon =D and yeah, definately take [for great justice].
Moloch Vein
People never seem to understand the beauty of Air of Superiority for a build like this.
riktw
you can take asuran scan for some fun.
but what about an necro build to support this build?
i would say [order of the vampire][order of pain][barbs][mark of pain][Strength of Honor][foul feast] but for the other 2 skills, any ideas?
dont have an necro so the only necro build i know is discordway
but what about an necro build to support this build?
i would say [order of the vampire][order of pain][barbs][mark of pain][Strength of Honor][foul feast] but for the other 2 skills, any ideas?
dont have an necro so the only necro build i know is discordway
Hatchet Child
Well [Order of pain] Won't work with [Order of the vampire]
But the support role is pretty energy heavy I'd suggest splitting the roles between two necros
EDIT: If you want to upkeep [Save yourselves] you could use [order of pain] and [dark fury] but seeing as your attacking every .66 of a second DF might be a little useless.
Second EDIT: If your running two "Human" sins i don't see why [Great Dwarf Weapon] doesn't get a spot on your bar. You have no attack skills, Which is good for [Locust's Fury]. As XM said if your running two Locust You'll need some serious buffing the Shite out of them for them to stupid amounts of damage.
I've run something with XM before with OoV and Vamp Daggers pretty much ate things in seconds.
But the support role is pretty energy heavy I'd suggest splitting the roles between two necros
EDIT: If you want to upkeep [Save yourselves] you could use [order of pain] and [dark fury] but seeing as your attacking every .66 of a second DF might be a little useless.
Second EDIT: If your running two "Human" sins i don't see why [Great Dwarf Weapon] doesn't get a spot on your bar. You have no attack skills, Which is good for [Locust's Fury]. As XM said if your running two Locust You'll need some serious buffing the Shite out of them for them to stupid amounts of damage.
I've run something with XM before with OoV and Vamp Daggers pretty much ate things in seconds.
Xenomortis
[build name="Order support/bitch" prof=N/Mo blood=12+1+3 Soul=7+1 Smiting=10 Curses=4][Order of the Vampire][Great Dwarf Weapon][No Skill][Foul Feast][Plague Sending][Masochism][Strength of Honor][No skill][/build]
In that first optional, I would take either [Mark of Fury] or [Mark of Pain]. Perhaps even [barbs]. If I was taking Mark of Pain, I would try to get [Air of Superiority] in that last optional slot. Otherwise, just stick a res into that last slot.
The energy demand on that build isn't too bad, even when you've got Strength of Honor on two or three people, Masochism helps take the pressure off from OotV and things should be dying a lot.
If your monks or healers aren't happy about the saccing, you'll need to take a self heal of some sort. If you havn't got a high maximum health, [Blood Renewal] may be worth a shot, otherwise... well perhaps you could spec into healing and take something like [Patient Spirit]. Or just take [Blood Ritual] and tell them to shut the f*** up.
If you're not worried about having conditions, then scrap plague sending and take the points out of curses.
I'm trying to remember how I got hex removal in that bar... meh.
In that first optional, I would take either [Mark of Fury] or [Mark of Pain]. Perhaps even [barbs]. If I was taking Mark of Pain, I would try to get [Air of Superiority] in that last optional slot. Otherwise, just stick a res into that last slot.
The energy demand on that build isn't too bad, even when you've got Strength of Honor on two or three people, Masochism helps take the pressure off from OotV and things should be dying a lot.
If your monks or healers aren't happy about the saccing, you'll need to take a self heal of some sort. If you havn't got a high maximum health, [Blood Renewal] may be worth a shot, otherwise... well perhaps you could spec into healing and take something like [Patient Spirit]. Or just take [Blood Ritual] and tell them to shut the f*** up.
If you're not worried about having conditions, then scrap plague sending and take the points out of curses.
I'm trying to remember how I got hex removal in that bar... meh.
Now Diabolical
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so, any ideas on it?
I used to play this Build long ago.
It wotks well, but i didn't like to cast 10hours before going into mob
It wotks well, but i didn't like to cast 10hours before going into mob
Chthon
Axel Zinfandel
[SY sin;AXIyI3xkBUNo+T3z+TM4VhMJ]
With an orders hero, you can pretty much spam "Dodge This!" every attack under Dark Fury. As ridiculous as the idea of screaming that every half second is, It's pretty insane damage wise.
Though generally, if you're going -solely- for SY!, sub "Dodge This!" for Air of Superiority,
With an orders hero, you can pretty much spam "Dodge This!" every attack under Dark Fury. As ridiculous as the idea of screaming that every half second is, It's pretty insane damage wise.
Though generally, if you're going -solely- for SY!, sub "Dodge This!" for Air of Superiority,
Xenomortis
I'd keep "Dodge this" and get rid of those two attack skills, take Air of Superiority and something else. Critical Defenses might be nice.
ele pl
Crit defense is imo not needed, its pve build, you dont need that much defense at all, and its 1 second longer to cast before going into mob. Also hard to maintain between the battles.
Paul Dawg
I've tested the bar in various HM zones and it is without a doubt the fastest SY-spamming build I've ever seen. That doesn't mean it's necessarily the greatest PvE-build in the history of GW, however. I find that it's still inferior to a d-slash warrior because although it can spam SY faster and more consistently, it doesn't have KD. You could add KD with [brawling headbutt], of course, but then you'd be out of PvE-only skills, because [critical agility] and obviously ["save yourselves!" (luxon)] are indispensable.
As for the attack skills--I agree that they don't do too much damage and that [golden phoenix strike] won't give you any double-strikes, but the combination DOES make sure that [critical agility] recharges endlessly (as long as it's not stripped), and the recharges are long enough that you're not constantly using them. If anyone has better ideas about what could go in those two slots, I'd be glad to hear them--but they have to be regular sin or war skills, not PvE-only skills. I wouldn't write off [critical defenses] quite as readily as most other people in this thread (because you're going to be taking a ton of hits), but then of course you're going to be doing even less damage.
Finally, to whoever said the build needs a buff: last I checked, [asuran scan] and [ebon battle standard of honor] are buffs. Between those two, I'd go with the latter. But, again, it would mean that you're going to be short on KD.
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As for the attack skills--I agree that they don't do too much damage and that [golden phoenix strike] won't give you any double-strikes, but the combination DOES make sure that [critical agility] recharges endlessly (as long as it's not stripped), and the recharges are long enough that you're not constantly using them. If anyone has better ideas about what could go in those two slots, I'd be glad to hear them--but they have to be regular sin or war skills, not PvE-only skills. I wouldn't write off [critical defenses] quite as readily as most other people in this thread (because you're going to be taking a ton of hits), but then of course you're going to be doing even less damage.
Finally, to whoever said the build needs a buff: last I checked, [asuran scan] and [ebon battle standard of honor] are buffs. Between those two, I'd go with the latter. But, again, it would mean that you're going to be short on KD.
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Why not something like this?
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye][golden phoenix strike][critical strike]["save yourselves!" (luxon)]
... and then an open slot for whatever you'd like, [sunspear rebirth signet], [critical defenses], [pain inverter], [asuran scan], [ebon battle standard of honor], you name it. Just attack normally, and throw in [golden phoenix strike][critical strike] for assured critical hits whenever they're available.
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye][golden phoenix strike][critical strike]["save yourselves!" (luxon)]
... and then an open slot for whatever you'd like, [sunspear rebirth signet], [critical defenses], [pain inverter], [asuran scan], [ebon battle standard of honor], you name it. Just attack normally, and throw in [golden phoenix strike][critical strike] for assured critical hits whenever they're available.
English Warrior
build with a support damage hero would be good maybe with a D/N orders.
Super Igor
no matter how you buff it it would still be inferior to MS/DB, SY! is all good but I'd much rather be owning things too. :]
FoxBat
[Wild Blow] why are we even bothering with critical strike/eye?
People also need to get over MS already...
People also need to get over MS already...
Paul Dawg
Because [wild blow] drains all your adrenaline--kind of a downer in a build that's designed to spam SY.
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[Wild Blow] why are we even bothering with critical strike/eye?
RadaArashi
with the increased double strikes and IAS I doubt you'll need critical eye/strike to renew your enchantments
FoxBat
Axel Zinfandel
Or you can just use [Malicious Strike]. Seeing as it is PvE, and most hero builds nowadays involve someone with [enfeebling blood], it's not that hard to fill the condition without any skills on your bar causing conditions
Paul Dawg
The bar now looks like this:
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye]["save yourselves!" (luxon)][disrupting stab][distracting blow][pain inverter]
I subbed in [disrupting stab] and [distracting blow] for [golden phoenix strike]/[critical strike] in order to make up for the lack of KD, and you don't really need the attack skills because you get plenty of critical hits as it is.
Personally, I think it's a killer defensive bar. Go try it out. If you want to sub out [pain inverter] for something like [ebon battle standard of honor], I could see the logic in that, but [pain inverter] is infinitely useful when you're hero-henching, so I opted for it.
[locust's fury]["for great justice!" (pve)][critical agility][critical eye]["save yourselves!" (luxon)][disrupting stab][distracting blow][pain inverter]
I subbed in [disrupting stab] and [distracting blow] for [golden phoenix strike]/[critical strike] in order to make up for the lack of KD, and you don't really need the attack skills because you get plenty of critical hits as it is.
Personally, I think it's a killer defensive bar. Go try it out. If you want to sub out [pain inverter] for something like [ebon battle standard of honor], I could see the logic in that, but [pain inverter] is infinitely useful when you're hero-henching, so I opted for it.
Bobby2
You can run [locust's fury] because it's PvE and nobody gives a damn. Don't EVER be fooled into thinking that it's good.
My 2p.
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My 2p.
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People never seem to understand the beauty of Air of Superiority for a build like this.
I think I do, recharge of [For Great Justice]. But guess what?
It only takes one Orders guy or [anthem of fury] Para to ensure I can keep up SY! - and that's on my MS/DB build, so FGJ! isn't even needed. Skill slot better spent on something else, imho.
It only takes one Orders guy or [anthem of fury] Para to ensure I can keep up SY! - and that's on my MS/DB build, so FGJ! isn't even needed. Skill slot better spent on something else, imho.
Paul Dawg
Ummm, yeah, ["save yourselves!" (luxon)] is a PvE-only skill. Obviously we're talking about PvE.
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You can run [locust's fury] because it's PvE and nobody gives a damn. Don't EVER be fooled into thinking that it's good.
Bobby2
....right. My point was that it's kind of silly to try and devise an 'optimal' build for a decidedly horrible skill.
snaek
actually, locusts fury isn't that bad.
imo its superior than ms/db in nm...but fares much worse in hm.
its dps is more reliable than ms/db since its dmg output efficiency tops out as long as your hitting something. ms/db has its most efficient damage output only when db is activated. db is activated less often in nm since things die so fast. and of course, armour-ignoring dmg is less important in nm.
but this doesn't completely nullify its usefulness in hm. the advantage is obviously for better synergy with skills like [save yourselves], [order of pain], [mark of pain], etc.
better than ms/db? no, but definitely not a horrible skill.
imo its superior than ms/db in nm...but fares much worse in hm.
its dps is more reliable than ms/db since its dmg output efficiency tops out as long as your hitting something. ms/db has its most efficient damage output only when db is activated. db is activated less often in nm since things die so fast. and of course, armour-ignoring dmg is less important in nm.
but this doesn't completely nullify its usefulness in hm. the advantage is obviously for better synergy with skills like [save yourselves], [order of pain], [mark of pain], etc.
better than ms/db? no, but definitely not a horrible skill.
riktw
[mark of fury] on my necro hero is fun on bosses, SY every 2 sec, or dodge this almost every attack.
kinda fun to see, some other sin said his GW did weard stuff, i kept saying "Dodge this"
i almost feld of my chair laughing
kinda fun to see, some other sin said his GW did weard stuff, i kept saying "Dodge this"
i almost feld of my chair laughing