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Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

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21 Apr 2009 at 21:51 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Where did you find that?

Obrien Xp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

Canada

The First Dragon Slayers [FDS]

21 Apr 2009 at 22:08 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Where did you find that?

Blizzard

There he has proof from nc soft. Now end of story there's 5.8mil acct or so at least.

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

21 Apr 2009 at 22:08 - 43

http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/prfi...6-236B105053E4

Lonesamurai

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

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21 Apr 2009 at 22:20 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/prfi...6-236B105053E4

Nice Apollo

thanks for posting it

Nomme Moon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

21 Apr 2009 at 22:27 - 45

Haha, they EXPECT they will have more info out. Just like how they expect last year to bring a new website design, an open beta, etc, etc.

Don't hold your breath.

Elle Bishop

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2008

Death by [Emo], And Haus of [GaGa]

E/Me

21 Apr 2009 at 22:58 - 46

more info later this year? o.O I was hoping for more info on the 28th, I'm guessing that means no beta in 2009.

Dakka Dakka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

Highly Innapropriate [HI]

W/Mo

21 Apr 2009 at 23:20 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Still wrong though. As I bought 3 chapters and the expansion and I am just 1 person. So, you cut that 5 million SALES down by 3/4 and they have maybe 1.5 million people that helped them make those sales. Right now they might have 750,000 players left if that. GROSS SALES does not equal to INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS, so, they can change the books any way they want to but they do not have 5 million customers.

Notice that I never said 5 million active players, and neither did ANET. Once you buy a key/game for GW you are a customer whether you play or not. WoW claims to have 11 million customers, they are correct but many of those customers don't actively play.

In addition you said you bought three different games and from what I understand you think that those three games equal three separate accounts. I don't think that is the case. You buy one game, set up an account, and every other game you add to that account still equals one account.

So ANET is still correct in saying that they have 5 million (now 6 million) accounts made for GW, whether they are active or not isn't the issue.

recon54

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Necros Mausoleum

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22 Apr 2009 at 00:29 - 48

hmm, seems sorta like this interview was made up of recycled information from previous interviews in the past. anyways, nothing groundbreaking so back to watever it was i was doing with my poor existance.

Obrien Xp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

Canada

The First Dragon Slayers [FDS]

22 Apr 2009 at 00:45 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by recon54

hmm, seems sorta like this interview was made up of recycled information from previous interviews in the past. anyways, nothing groundbreaking so back to watever it was i was doing with my poor existance.

I wonder if there's still one melodramatic pessimist not on guru.

Don't keep it real, just stay on the sunny side its spring for goodness sake, did all the girls already turn you down

Dakka Dakka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

Highly Innapropriate [HI]

W/Mo

22 Apr 2009 at 02:47 - 50

I really think that the silence about GW2 is more of a decision from NCsoft because they want to peddle their next big title AION.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

22 Apr 2009 at 03:14 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

ty elpedro for the screenshot. nothing we haven't already know except this is quite crappy to say to the face of PvE players, pvp players are amongst the most loyal fans is not all true. there are loyal PvE fans hardcore ones tyvm, that plan to have their whole guild move from GW to GW2. how do you think that answer will make them feel. no wander you want to make money off PvE contents/players so you can pay close attention to your "most loyal fans"

booooooooooooooooo :P~~~~~

The keyword is 'amongst'. The statement isn't excluding PvE players, just acknowledging that people who regularly PvP are among the game's more dedicated players. They same can be said of people who regularly PvE, but I'm willing to bet there are a larger proportion of PvEers who don't play regularly but still play (while PvPers are probably more likely to not play at all if not playing regularly, especially at the high end of the game).

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

22 Apr 2009 at 05:12 - 52

Damn what a letdown. They are still sticking to their guns -- no new info, nothing/nada/zilch. When will the trickle begin? Apparently by the end of the year, but that is 7.5 months away and may easily be pushed back. Seems like one of those situations where you ask a friend if they are ready to go somewhere, and they say in 15 minutes, then in 15 minutes they say in 10 minutes.

Yawgmoth

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Join Date: Apr 2005

22 Apr 2009 at 05:24 - 53

When Anet was Officially Announcing the milestones of 3 million, 4 million, 5 million it was always about product units sold. But now they changed it all into accounts created, how hilarious what wonders can marketing do these days. Changing history. Bit Blizz does the same with WoW numbers, they're all active accounts there.

Edit: GW2 info this year - maybe they'll tell us about 2 professions and show 3 concept arts as an Xmas gift

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

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22 Apr 2009 at 05:47 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Dec 31st, 2009: Guild Wars 2 development is going very well, you're gonna love this! We'll have more information to share about Guild Wars 2 sometime next year. Thanks for the interest and stay tuned.

I lol'd pretty hard. I also cried a little b/c its probably not that far off from what will happen...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakka Dakka

Notice that I never said 5 million active players, and neither did ANET. Once you buy a key/game for GW you are a customer whether you play or not. WoW claims to have 11 million customers, they are correct but many of those customers don't actively play.

The issue here is that to even be a customer of WoW, active or not, you HAVE to pay the monthly fee, so you're going to be obligated to play to some degree because they're collecting money all the time from you.

With anet you don't have to pay at all and for better or worse there's no reason for most people who have played for a long time to continue with stale gameplay.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

22 Apr 2009 at 05:51 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by yawgmoth

When Anet was Officially Announcing the milestones of 3 million, 4 million, 5 million it was always about product units sold. But now they changed it all into accounts created, how hilarious what wonders can marketing do these days. Changing history. Bit Blizz does the same with WoW numbers, they're all active accounts there.

i like how the image above says "us & europe"... as if there are another 2 million+ accounts activated by chinese farming bots.

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

22 Apr 2009 at 06:00 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

i like how the image above says "us & europe"... as if there are another 2 million+ accounts activated by chinese farming bots.

Very true. China loves their gold farming. This article game me a chuckel earlier.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/25...llar-business/

EagleDelta1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

22 Apr 2009 at 06:34 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeraCombi

Nothing new about GW2 until later this year (after AION's release).

AION, btw, is looking pretty good.

And, surprisingly, the article has got me looking at EVE. I've heard it's a grindfest, but looks beautiful, and player reviews are mostly good.

As a player of EVE - it is only a grind fest if you want it to be. the "grinding of the game comes from the mining and standings(you have to run missions to raise standing w/ NPC corps and factions) & even that is totally optional as the standings are only for special items(drops are not a huge focus in the game, the market is) and the ability to hang a player owned station in high/low-sec(there are areas known as 0.0 sec, these areas are owned and controlled by player alliances, not NPCs and thus standing grinding is not necessary at all). Mining you only do if your toon is production focused. Otherwise, character dev is entirely time-based(you read books to learn skills AND those skills train even if you're offline allowing for someone like me to take a break while my skill trains).

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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22 Apr 2009 at 06:39 - 58

Quote:

Our Live team recently moved from a monthly schedule to one that focuses instead on doing 3-4 large updates a year. This gives us the chance to deliver some really meaty updates in terms of both content and functionality. You'll see the first on of these delivered this April for our fourth anniversary.

Cool. Large meaty updates 3-4 times a year from now on! in terms of both content and functionality... Sounds exciting

Wonder what we're going to see in another 3-4 months from now. And the resulting threads

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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22 Apr 2009 at 07:12 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/prfi...6-236B105053E4

But why did they always use "units sold" which can be seen as weasel wording around various unpleasant facts.

Sigh. Oh well, guess flames must be fueled.

Arduin

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Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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22 Apr 2009 at 08:45 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/prfi...6-236B105053E4

Good find. I stand corrected.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

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22 Apr 2009 at 11:36 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleDelta1

As a player of EVE - it is only a grind fest if you want it to be. the "grinding of the game comes from the mining and standings(you have to run missions to raise standing w/ NPC corps and factions) & even that is totally optional as the standings are only for special items(drops are not a huge focus in the game, the market is) and the ability to hang a player owned station in high/low-sec(there are areas known as 0.0 sec, these areas are owned and controlled by player alliances, not NPCs and thus standing grinding is not necessary at all). Mining you only do if your toon is production focused. Otherwise, character dev is entirely time-based(you read books to learn skills AND those skills train even if you're offline allowing for someone like me to take a break while my skill trains).

Goddamn I miss Eve

I'm close to Tech 2 Battleship and have an itch to play again (I took a break at the beginning of the year after two years), but I think its time to get back in my pod

Coraline Jones

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Modified Soul Society

Mo/R

22 Apr 2009 at 15:33 - 62

The post which claims that there are almost 6 million "accounts" activated... Does this include accounts from free trial keys? Because I'm sure that also sets up an account and people could leave immediately after that.

I don't know why, but you can still get free trial accounts today. Why this program is being offered is beyond me, since it seems like an easy avenue for abuse.

Lonesamurai

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

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22 Apr 2009 at 15:50 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

The post which claims that there are almost 6 million "accounts" activated... Does this include accounts from free trial keys? Because I'm sure that also sets up an account and people could leave immediately after that.

I don't know why, but you can still get free trial accounts today. Why this program is being offered is beyond me, since it seems like an easy avenue for abuse.

Except that on a trial account you can't trade items with players, you can't pick up items that other players drop and you can't drop items for others to pick up

Symeon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Apr 2009 at 15:56 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

I'm sorry but this is just complete bullshit. They haven't reached 6 million units sold yet, how on earth could they have nearly 6 million accounts? If that were true their units sold would probably be in excess of 10 million. This just looks like ArenaNet/NCSoft distorting the numbers to me. Either that or they are including trial accounts in these figures.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

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22 Apr 2009 at 16:16 - 65

Guild Wars hit 5 million units sold in February of last year, with the 4 million mark being broken in August the year before. So yes, based off those figures (and some serious guesstimation) I'd say that text should be keys activated, not accounts.

It certainly couldn't be accounts unless it includes trial accounts, which is equally as misleading. Even then it's doubtful, but I suppose it's possible that gold farmers bumped those numbers up quite a bit.

Lonesamurai

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22 Apr 2009 at 16:54 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

It certainly couldn't be accounts unless it includes trial accounts, which is equally as misleading. Even then it's doubtful, but I suppose it's possible that gold farmers bumped those numbers up quite a bit.

I'd say that precisely what it is