What secondary prof. is best for derv and for ranger? Dont like to heal though.
Any advice would be VERY welcome.
Dervish or Ranger?
Pipili
Im new and i have nightfall and EOTN. So basically just want your opinion on those classes. Who is easier to play? Who is more fun to play? Dervish has nicer gear but ranger has pet, so far thats only thing i know.
What secondary prof. is best for derv and for ranger? Dont like to heal though.
Any advice would be VERY welcome.
What secondary prof. is best for derv and for ranger? Dont like to heal though.
Any advice would be VERY welcome.
SeraCombi
Hi Pipili, you'll get a lot of different answers to your questions because people have their favorites.
I would say the question is: Do you like fighting in melee or ranged distance?
If you're more of a melee person, go derv. If you're more of a distance fighter, or caster, then choose ranger.
Personally, I like ranger and dislike derv, but again, personal preference.
I would say the question is: Do you like fighting in melee or ranged distance?
If you're more of a melee person, go derv. If you're more of a distance fighter, or caster, then choose ranger.
Personally, I like ranger and dislike derv, but again, personal preference.
Verene
They are basically two completely different things and it depends on what you want to do. Rangers are great for staying back and doing damage, as well as interrupting. Dervishes are good at getting in close and blowing things up. Though I'd say that Dervishes are more like casters than Rangers are - the class is the best mix of magic and combat that the game has.
I love Dervish, it's my favorite profession in the game. So I'd be inclined to cheer on anyone thinking of picking up Dervish. But yeah, really it depends on what you like and want to do.
Why not try making one of each, play them for a bit, and see which you like better?
I love Dervish, it's my favorite profession in the game. So I'd be inclined to cheer on anyone thinking of picking up Dervish. But yeah, really it depends on what you like and want to do.
Why not try making one of each, play them for a bit, and see which you like better?
Kendil
Oh that's a hard one! I like both rangers and dervishes, so I suggest you start two chars and then decide which one you like the best.
In terms of secondaries, it totally depends on what you wants to do.
Rangers are a verry wide class, giving you totally different roles depending on your secondary, but they can still do well going full ranger.
Necroes is required to do the touch-build, and a Dervish for a scyth ranger. In general play is monk the most common choise due to mending touch, you can also use hard res.
For spiking builds, ele might be a good option, or maybe the necromancer skill barbs.
As a Dervish, you can make use of some monk short lasting enchantments giving you mystisicm bonus. Or a warrior for stance removal and maybe some tactic skills.
I don't know if poision tip signet works well with scythes, but if it does, it might be a great skill for a dervish. EDIT: I've checked, and it don't, so to be able to spread poision, you'll have to use apply poision, but it might still be worth it? If you can manage energy.
Assassins can be used to gain access to shadow stepps and dash and maybe decent self heal.
There is probably much more to add, but this is what I come up with at the moment.
In terms of secondaries, it totally depends on what you wants to do.
Rangers are a verry wide class, giving you totally different roles depending on your secondary, but they can still do well going full ranger.
Necroes is required to do the touch-build, and a Dervish for a scyth ranger. In general play is monk the most common choise due to mending touch, you can also use hard res.
For spiking builds, ele might be a good option, or maybe the necromancer skill barbs.
As a Dervish, you can make use of some monk short lasting enchantments giving you mystisicm bonus. Or a warrior for stance removal and maybe some tactic skills.
I don't know if poision tip signet works well with scythes, but if it does, it might be a great skill for a dervish. EDIT: I've checked, and it don't, so to be able to spread poision, you'll have to use apply poision, but it might still be worth it? If you can manage energy.
Assassins can be used to gain access to shadow stepps and dash and maybe decent self heal.
There is probably much more to add, but this is what I come up with at the moment.
Archress Shayleigh
Yeah, make one of each, then decide which you like better. and you can always delete characters. so no big deal. i personally am a huge ranger fan, so xP don't ask me that question.
Shadowhaze
I like both of them as well (but my main char is a ranger ).
Both professions have nice armor, weapons, skills, etc available. And on a sidenote, any character you create can have a pet if you're secondary ranger.
I'd also try both out and see which you like better then go from there.
).Both professions have nice armor, weapons, skills, etc available. And on a sidenote, any character you create can have a pet if you're secondary ranger.
I'd also try both out and see which you like better then go from there.
Wyndy
The great thing about Guild Wars is that even after you have chosen a profession, you still have many choices in how you play that profession. You can even change your mind! My heart always belongs to my ranger. She was my first char in this game almost four years ago, so I have a soft spot for them. You do have a few more possibilities if you go ranger as I believe their base energy is slightly higher than dervish..... it would help with energy hogs like ele as secondary.
Rhamia Darigaz
ranger because it's not a shitty degenerate version of a warrior.
turbo234
I would say ranger but just make one of each to see how they both are. And to clear up something up that verene said rangers aren't intended for damage. They give pressure by spreading poison through [apply poison] and interrupting key skills with [distracting shot][savage shot][magebane shot].
lewis91
Rangers are fun. I don't like dervishs' all that well. Its also fun to go R/D and sprint around spanking thigns like your a dervish, sept with better attack speed buffs and block skills.
SeraCombi
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... rangers aren't intended for damage.
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My burning arrow build would like to have a word with you, young man.
Also, my splinter barrage build has a few things to say.
No, you may not bring your calculator with you...put it on the desk there.
Faure
Rangers, because they can quite decently run scythe builds where a dervish can't run a decent ranger build.
And apart form that Rangers are more versatile and imo more fun. Go for conditions? Dmg (turrent spam!)? Or prefer the interrupting? Or maybe you want to swap around and go with a pet and a hammer or scythe.
And apart form that Rangers are more versatile and imo more fun. Go for conditions? Dmg (turrent spam!)? Or prefer the interrupting? Or maybe you want to swap around and go with a pet and a hammer or scythe.
Megas XLR
Go Dervish so that you can run Save Yourselves with a scythe. Dervishes also look better, while having a pet loses it's cool-factor very fast.
gremlin
I have both a Ranger and a Dervish and enjoy both, don't forget you get a secondary class so you could choose Ranger or Dervish secondary so you could have a pet whatever class you choose.
Remember also your secondary class can be changed some way into the game and after that point can be changed at will.
Primary class sets up Energy base amount and recovery rate, Armour type and a Primary skill list.
So a Warrior Elementalist would have better armour but less energy while a Elementalist Warrior would leve less armour and more energy for spells.
I hope that informs more than it confuses lol
read up a little before deciding or better yet try one class for a day then try the other, you have plenty of character slots.
Remember also your secondary class can be changed some way into the game and after that point can be changed at will.
Primary class sets up Energy base amount and recovery rate, Armour type and a Primary skill list.
So a Warrior Elementalist would have better armour but less energy while a Elementalist Warrior would leve less armour and more energy for spells.
I hope that informs more than it confuses lol
read up a little before deciding or better yet try one class for a day then try the other, you have plenty of character slots.
Taurean
I only play ranger, using only ranger skills.. i recommend it because of the variety. You can go for a beast master\marksman build, survivor\marksman, you have the trappers, interrupt\damage... and you have some great defensive skills like [Melandru's resilience]
ightgg
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My burning arrow build would like to have a word with you, young man. Also, my splinter barrage build has a few things to say. No, you may not bring your calculator with you...put it on the desk there. |
gg -Rit <3
Kendil
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. You do have a few more possibilities if you go ranger as I believe their base energy is slightly higher than dervish.....
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Both has the base energy pool of 25 energy. But Dervishes has 4 pips of energy regen while the Rangers only has three. But this could be weighten upby various energy management skills, like Melandru's resiliance.
Pipili
OMG you guys are awesome. Thanks so much for all the help. But please dont forget i only have nightfall and EOTN, so i cant have skills from first two chapters. And some people even say i will suck because in PVP because of that. 
Anyway i will make both chars and see which one feels better, but overall, with only nightfall and EOTN skills, which will be more usefull in PVP and PVP? Which one has more "must have" skills available in nightfall and EOTN?
I just dont want to suck and be at the bottom in PVP always. Also i am not a teenager anymore, so my reflexes are not that good.
Anyway i will make both chars and see which one feels better, but overall, with only nightfall and EOTN skills, which will be more usefull in PVP and PVP? Which one has more "must have" skills available in nightfall and EOTN?
I just dont want to suck and be at the bottom in PVP always. Also i am not a teenager anymore, so my reflexes are not that good.
-Makai-
Since you're new, I'd have to recommend Ranger. They have a wide variety of different skills, which will help you learn the game better.
Mr Deathbringer
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Since you're new, I'd have to recommend Ranger. They have a wide variety of different skills, which will help you learn the game better.
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There I have given my advice, you may all awe in my prowess... Praise Mr. Deathbringer jking
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ranger is not a damage dealing profession at all thats why its ranged. btw burning = condition gg and Rt/R Spirits Strength Splint Volley x3 Splint Barrage? or GreatDwarfWeapon = Pwnage. So in the bow for damage department Rt pwnz Ran. And dervish are enchant tanks. taking what the warriors didnt have. Energy and enchants and using those instead of stances and shouts. So paragon took Ranger and War and merged. Dervish is probably Sin and Monk? Who knows but Anet. Id say Dervish is more fun cause being a bowman is kinda boring but mobbing up a big group and swinging your scythe watching yourself slaughter like the grim reaper. own
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rangers with scythes can OWN so i mean you can get the best of both worlds with ranger ... but make 1 of each & pick which one you like
rangers have better armor that dervs, rangers ave +30 vs elemental
Deirdre Fairhair
Hi Pipili
I think both Ranger and Dervish are great professions, and I recommend trying them both! You'll never know which you prefer unless you try. But just an fyi, there aren't many Beastmastery Skills available in NF so if you're wanting a pet, I would recommend waiting to do a ranger until you get either Prophecies or Factions. Otherwise, read up some on the two professions, you can find lots of articles here on both and details about skills on the wiki! Good luck!
I think both Ranger and Dervish are great professions, and I recommend trying them both! You'll never know which you prefer unless you try. But just an fyi, there aren't many Beastmastery Skills available in NF so if you're wanting a pet, I would recommend waiting to do a ranger until you get either Prophecies or Factions. Otherwise, read up some on the two professions, you can find lots of articles here on both and details about skills on the wiki! Good luck!
Donkey Prince
Easiest- Ranger best second prof- mes they my fav class
It really just depends on what kinds of things u like to do
It really just depends on what kinds of things u like to do
Pipili
Thank you all. You were all very helpfull. One more question though: can dervish use bow if i make ranger a secondary profession? And for dervish, is it best to go monk secondary si i can heal myself? What sec. is best for dervish for PVP?
turbo234
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Thank you all. You were all very helpfull. One more question though: can dervish use bow if i make ranger a secondary profession? And for dervish, is it best to go monk secondary si i can heal myself? What sec. is best for dervish for PVP?
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as for a derv with a bow, not a great combination. there isn't any advantages that a derv would have over a ranger. if anything they would be at a disadvantage because they would have less elemental armor, takes their secondary, and don't have expertise to make your skills cost much less energy.
I'd also like to add that you should check out pvxwiki.com if you aren't sure what types of builds would be effective in pvp.
Catchphrase
You can afford to make alot of mistakes with rangers since they have hell lots of stances to save their arse. So its a good profession to start with. The dervish isn't that kind in that aspect since dervish is a mix of melee, enchantment-reliant and casting profession, so it sort of has more Achilles' heels than the ranger. It is safe to say that dervish has a steeper learning curve than a ranger unless you're going for interruption route with your ranger.
Pipili
So derv with a bow is possible, but not smart?
And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions...
And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions...
Slasher of Darkness
well, I totally enjoy my dervish but recently wanted to think about ranger also but I thought that...nvm..I like doing big numbers of damage, and thats what i can do on my derv.. Best prof...well, D/Any is good when beginner, also its good to be a D/W for [Wild Blow] or [Protector's Strike] or any of that kinda stuff
Pipili
Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.
Slasher of Darkness
well...Derv itself has the AoE through the scythe and dervs are better in melee than using aoe spells
and dervs are better in melee than using aoe spells
Arctica
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Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.
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Anyway, while ranger has a lot more survivability, they have capable of dealing less AOE damage then a dervish. On the other hand, dervishes rely heavily on their enchantements and have less effective defensive skills, therefore they need good backline healers. They are capable of dealing insane amount of damage with their scythe though.
I would also recommend you to try out both and decide yourself. Both are great professions.
Verene
I'm going to disagree strongly on Dervishes having a steeper learning curve, lacking defensive skills, and relying more on healers.
Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness.
I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah.
Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW.
Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness.
I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah.
Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW.
Kendil
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Any specific dervish secondary that has lots of AOE? I love AOE.
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Or try out the necromancer hexes that triggers on physical damage (althought a necro in the party will probably be better at this, cause you'll need to save your attribute points and energy for other stuff).
A barrage ranger can do decently AoE damage with pretty much the same tactic.
If you like AoE an elementalist is a good character in the fire magic line, but for that to be effective you need to go primary ele... (just a little side note)
And another side note: Make your own builds, because you'll be able to run your own builds much better.
A perfect build in hands that don't know how to use it is worthless compared to a decent build in the hands that has created it.
Catchphrase
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I'm going to disagree strongly on Dervishes having a steeper learning curve, lacking defensive skills, and relying more on healers.
Yes, the profession tends to rely heavily on enchantments, and enchantment stripping can leave you sunk. But let's face it - EVERYTHING has some sort of weakness. I tend to play the game more recklessly and don't exactly be careful, and I didn't end up with my first death on my Dervish until I was like level 15 or 16. They are, of the classes with midline armor, the easiest to keep alive, in my opinion. You can use enchants to basically do anything from increase armor, increase speed, increase IAS, snare, spread effects, block, make attacks unblockable, boost the damage you do...and also self-heal. Dervishes have some amazing self-heals. When I'm playing and something goes wrong, I'm always the last one standing, and I can generally go for a long while then before going down as well, too. When I'm able to clear out Dreadnought's Drift by myself (because my H/h were being suicidal) with my standard build...yeah. Personally, I run Monk as my secondary. Condition removal FTW. |
gremlin
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So derv with a bow is possible, but not smart?
And what secondary prof is best for derv overall, for pvp and pve? I want high DPS and AOE. Give me some suggestions... |
I happen to like a dervish with a bow for fighting undead Holy Barrage is very effective esp as I use my avatar dervish skill to make me immune to conditions like poison.
I don't remember if Barrage is accessable in eye so don't take that as possible till you check.
I don't play much pvp and that is a tougher proposition than pve far less forgiving.
pve is predictable you know in advance the skills and abilities of your enemy and can customise a build to beat them.
In pvp you will meet players with access to every skill in the game that makes them really tough, you will just have to become very good at what you can do.
If pvp proves to be what you want to play most of the time you may have to look at the pvp skill packs.
good luck anyway
Pipili
But with dervish i CAN have ALL skills, if i have NF and EOTN, right?
Arctica
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But with dervish i CAN have ALL skills, if i have NF and EOTN, right?
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As for Barrage, i am pretty sure that it can be captured in NF, too.