No More Freedom of Speech on Guru??
eagleblade
No More Freedom of Speech on Guru. its turned into a dictatorship time for me to find a better site out there
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10366937
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10366937
Inde
I shouldn't even allow this, but I had to because it's priceless. First off, Sun Fired Blank respectfully asked for people to contribute meaningful conversation and this... offends you somehow? Sorry to use so much sarcasm but nothing that this mod posted in any way violates any forum rule since he was trying to save a thread from deteriorating into meaningless one-liners and supposedly witty and clever "fail" remarks.
I also hate to break it to you, but "freedom of speech" never applied here in the first place. Welcome to the internet, where most forums are privately run and owned. Not even by an American as well.
I also hate to break it to you, but "freedom of speech" never applied here in the first place. Welcome to the internet, where most forums are privately run and owned. Not even by an American as well.
Faer
Funny. We've been running the Bugs forum in much the same way since it was created, and I haven't seen a complaint about that being dictatorial. Besides, we've never claimed to have any sort of freedom of speech here, as Inde pointed out.
Perhaps you'd prefer Commuwikinism?
Perhaps you'd prefer Commuwikinism?
Ariena Najea
You never had freedom of speech here. Did you know your moderators and admins can edit your posts without you ever knowing about it?
But seriously, Guru is by no means a "dictatorship" and actually has fewer rules that most forums out there. A lot of things slide here that don't elsewhere, because content is only closed/removed when it severely breaks the guidelines of the forum. Just think if we never deleted a post or locked a thread. Imagine the pain of trying to find anything.
But seriously, Guru is by no means a "dictatorship" and actually has fewer rules that most forums out there. A lot of things slide here that don't elsewhere, because content is only closed/removed when it severely breaks the guidelines of the forum. Just think if we never deleted a post or locked a thread. Imagine the pain of trying to find anything.
Calista Blackblood
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Don't repeat complaints. In particular, everyone has a very strong opinion on the cost of extra storage panes, but you're not being constructive if the only thing you can say is that you think the price sucks and they're only trying to get money out of you. I frankly don't care if you think the price sucks or not, or if you think they're only trying to get money out of you. I do care about why you think these things. Repetitive complaints aren't helpful.
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Stay on-topic. GuildWars.com: 4 Year Anniversary Celebration. If your post doesn't have anything to do with this, then it should go elsewhere.
Simple,easy to understand forum rules actually posted in an active thread as a reminder is not removing "freedom of speech" which absolutely nobody has ever been priviledged with here anyway. I don't see cause for upset Earth
Oh no! Imagine actually having to contribute to a thread! What will we do?!
Unlucky Slayer
Wait!? We have freedom of speech here?! WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME THIS BEFORE!!!!
Oh right... Welcome to the internet. Yang Whirlwind
If it comes as a surprise that we have rules and guidelines to keep things fair, polite and meaningful, I'm really surprised.
You signed a form agreeing to familiarize yourself and abide by with our rules and guidelines when you created your account,- that should have been a hint. Those rules have not changed significantly since you joined. Rant on Freedom of speech - a much abused concept: Freedom of speech was never intended to allow individuals to say what they wanted about whom they wanted without consequences. Neither is this how the laws on the subject work in any country in the world that I have heard of. Quote:
In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech". |
Not to mention users who take every opportunity to bash moderators like it was some god given right to bad mouth people.The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression". So, basically this allows you to have opinions and express them,- which you also have in this forum. As long as they are expressed meaningfully and without targeting (quote: hate speech) a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability (end quote). As you can clearly see,- there are exceptions to this law as well. So, even if it applied here, which it doesn't, there would still be limitations. In fact, those limitations are not too dissimilar from our rules,- imagine that! One of the most basic concepts in any kind of social group are rules (written and/or unwritten) which governs our interactions. Society, school, work, marriage, friendship, etc. - they all have rules you are expected to follow. So, here is my question: why would you assume a forum such as this would be ungoverned by rules when the rest of the world is not? Operative 14
Not to mention that the law protecting Freedom of Speech you're probably citing (the First Amendment) only states that that U.S. Congress cannot makes laws prohibiting freedom of speech. Even in America, this does not apply to private institutions like an internet forum, only to the U.S. Congress.
Basically, private groups, like GWGuru and even Guild Wars (if you'll look in the EULA you signed before playing the game, they have several entries abridging your freedom of speech) have nothing saying that you have the right to free speech. Plus it's pretty obvious the moderator was just telling people to stay on topic. >_> Yarly
Almost everybody in the guildwars community knows that this forum is full of pretentious idiots who like to call themselves "Moderators". Its not going to change. There really isn't much point whining about it.
Snograt
Pretentious? Moi?
Yang Whirlwind
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Originally Posted by Yarly
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This is exactly the purpose of this forum,- that have not changed and never will!
Please remember that our moderators are regular players like you who enjoy the game and like to discuss it. They have volunteered to help moderate the boards in their spare time to help keep the standard of these discussions high. They are not here to boost their personal egos or abuse their responsibility. Quote: Fail troll is fail,- please try again! Quote: Take the Event guides I make for example, in between GW, being a Dad and work, I barely find the time to update them. But I always find a way and the time nevertheless. Why? Because I enjoy it, been part of this community for sometime now, that's not going to change anytime soon. Even if my GW play time has dropped somewhat. Screenshot Expo (Which I mod) could be defined as over-modded, but it has to be, but this forum lets plenty of stuff slide. You should check out some other gaming ones out there where people are really made to shut up. Quote: |
Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior
Though, on a more serious note, Inde, do you get paid to do this, or are you a volunteer as well? o_o;
Inde owns the site and thus the forum, but far as I'm aware she doesn't profit from it. The bandwidth doesn't come cheap
You should know better. =P Use the edit button next time. Kattar
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but far as I'm aware she doesn't profit from it.
Afaik, she doesn't even break even.
Inde
I don't own this site I'm merely a lowly admin (THAT'S RIGHT LOWLY ADMIN NOT MOST-AWESOME-SUPREME-POWER-OVER-THE-LITTLE-PEOPLE ADMIN). Kzap is the owner of this site, he just lets me hang around. I'm told that sometime maybe 4 months ago for a few weeks we made a bit of profit off this site. WAHOO! Rolling in that $3.29 right now.
You're all jealous. Yang Whirlwind
Kzap's the big cheese? - GET HIM!
Earth
Wasn't THX one of the original founders as well or am I just mistaken?
DarkFlame
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Wasn't THX one of the original founders as well or am I just mistaken?
THX and Spooky, I believe. Wonder if anybody else remembers them.
Helix Dreadlock
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Not to mention users who take every opportunity to bash moderators like it was some god given right to bad mouth people.
Nothing pretentious about saying that we set the rules,- bacause we do. Nothing pretentious about taking abuse from users who fail to understand the rules. Woo-hoo! Nice one yang No offense or anything, but isn't this thread a little off-topic itself? Commander Ryker
Freedom of speech? This isn't America, this is the internet.
Originally Posted by Verene
Quote: Seriously? Someone thinks that GWG is over-moderated?
With the exception of the strict rules in the sell forums (which are entirely understandable), this is one of the most hands-off forums I've been a member of, in terms of how it's modded. It's nice to know that someone appreciates us. Thank you. Wish Swiftdeath
Yeah I've got to admit this is forum has some of the best mods i know. Frankly i'm surprised i'm allowed to say some of the stuff i do. The only one that i know of which is more relaxed is rtscommunity and that's because I know half the mods irl.
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