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Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

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24 Apr 2009 at 15:45 - 1

So I did a little math.

The 20 slot equipment pack costs 15 gold coins.
A gold coin costs 10 silver coins.
A silver coin costs 50 copper coins.

so: 15*10*50=7.500

... 7.500 copper coins are required to get the 20 slot equipment bag.

Well fair play I'll just farm the quests... 1 being able to do by myself taking between 30 mins - 1 hour a 20 copper coins. So if I do one of those a day I'll have the pack in:

7.500/20=375

so it's going to take me 375 days to get that one stupid equipment pack???
Well even if I did that daily quest on all of my 7 characters then it would take me more than 53 days!

Hell no! That is an unreasonable request.

"you could just do the other quests as well" - someone is probably going to say. Well sure I could but umm... I don't have time.

The other quests include killing bosses and the first boss was: Kanaxai. That takes time! Both for recruiting people for it and for actually doing it.
And then there's the PvP quest. Might be somewhat easier than the boss one but some of the forms like GvG and HA needs 1: A huge amount of luck, great PvP skills + the time it takes to gather a decent group

"You can do it on HM" - someone else would say. Well yes I could

Then it would only take me 75 days.

Too long....

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

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24 Apr 2009 at 15:49 - 2

Was there a point other than you don't want to put in the time or effort to get this item?

Rice

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

WTB Any Req Bladed,Echovald,Ornate,Outcast Shield,Gothic Defender,Str Req Diamond Aegis, +HP/+10 VS

[TAM]/[ToA]

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24 Apr 2009 at 15:50 - 3

there will be prob be a pvp quest involves RA, TA, HB, AB. Just use pvp char and do the quests, once you are finished, delete and remake. You can farm infinete amount of times per day. Plus PVP quest reward seems to be greater than pve reward.

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

24 Apr 2009 at 15:54 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rice

there will be prob be a pvp quest involves RA, TA, HB, AB. Just use pvp char and do the quests, once you are finished, delete and remake. You can farm infinete amount of times per day. Plus PVP quest reward seems to be greater than pve reward.

These quest, bounties, challenges are probably account based so what you said will not apply.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

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24 Apr 2009 at 16:01 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

These quest, bounties, challenges are probably account based so what you said will not apply.

I can attest that at least the quest (Blood Washes blood) are character based. I did it on my ranger, it is still available to my Sin

What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

24 Apr 2009 at 16:03 - 6

I don't think so, I made a PvP last night and did the 3 wins for an easy 9k balth 250 coins but after switching to a PvE monk I picked it up again...haven't redone the quest but I got it again =\ that a bug or intentional?

Blackhearted

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Ohio, usa

none

Mo/

24 Apr 2009 at 16:17 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

Was there a point other than you don't want to put in the time or effort to get this item?

So you're saying you'd spend 375 days just to get a single item? I didn't think so.

Rice

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

WTB Any Req Bladed,Echovald,Ornate,Outcast Shield,Gothic Defender,Str Req Diamond Aegis, +HP/+10 VS

[TAM]/[ToA]

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24 Apr 2009 at 16:33 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

These quest, bounties, challenges are probably account based so what you said will not apply.

The quests are character based. At least the Pve ones i have done

Kaon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [Ban]

24 Apr 2009 at 16:39 - 9

A guildie of mine claimed he could not put his coins in storage. He deleted and remade his pvp char so he could do the quest twice. So basically you can't switch coins to other characters.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

24 Apr 2009 at 16:41 - 10

BUCKLE UP, so that you will have a heavy equipment pack for just one char just in time before GW2 gets released? :>

I just did a little math myself, and the results are disheartening. I simply cannot believe it, I end up with results of over 100 days if I use multiple chars to do the quest several times a day.

Seems I will have to make do with the small bags.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

24 Apr 2009 at 16:41 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaon

A guildie of mine claimed he could not put his coins in storage. He deleted and remade his pvp char so he could do the quest twice. So basically you can't switch coins to other characters.

This is a known bug and is being looked into

holy shit, I just became an ANet advert

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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24 Apr 2009 at 16:42 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

So I did a little math.

The 20 slot equipment pack costs 15 gold coins.
A gold coin costs 10 silver coins.
A silver coin costs 50 copper coins.

so: 15*10*50=7.500

... 7.500 copper coins are required to get the 20 slot equipment bag.

Well fair play I'll just farm the quests... 1 being able to do by myself taking between 30 mins - 1 hour a 20 copper coins. So if I do one of those a day I'll have the pack in:

7.500/20=375

so it's going to take me 375 days to get that one stupid equipment pack???
Well even if I did that daily quest on all of my 7 characters then it would take me more than 53 days!

Hell no! That is an unreasonable request.

"you could just do the other quests as well" - someone is probably going to say. Well sure I could but umm... I don't have time.

The other quests include killing bosses and the first boss was: Kanaxai. That takes time! Both for recruiting people for it and for actually doing it.
And then there's the PvP quest. Might be somewhat easier than the boss one but some of the forms like GvG and HA needs 1: A huge amount of luck, great PvP skills + the time it takes to gather a decent group

"You can do it on HM" - someone else would say. Well yes I could

Then it would only take me 75 days.

Too long....

Although currently bugged, you can place the coins in storage and do the quests on multiple characters. 20 Coins is only for the NM version of the quest, do it in HM and you get 70, which reduces your time (doing only the one quest) to 108 days. There is also the Bounty and Challenge, which may be long/hard today, but this is the first day, wait to see what the other ones offer. Kanaxai is a long and difficult bounty, but how many times can they do Kanaxai, Urgoz, Mallyx, The Darkness before they start repeating?

This is brand new. Wait until we have had a few days to see what it offers, and to allow Anet to make changes they may decide to make. For now, just be patient, and not so greedy. None of this was stuff we NEEDED, and none of it was paid for.

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

24 Apr 2009 at 16:49 - 13

Yeah, it's pretty crazy and kind of annoying. Way too much time to get it. lol.

naughteblonde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Rabid Hamsters [NUBY]

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24 Apr 2009 at 16:53 - 14

Thats kind of odd...
My Bounty was Molotov Rocktail and my Mission is Blacktide Den - not Kanaxi/Blood Washes Blood.

evenfall

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

24 Apr 2009 at 16:57 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by naughteblonde

Thats kind of odd...
My Bounty was Molotov Rocktail and my Mission is Blacktide Den - not Kanaxi/Blood Washes Blood.

The quests just updated to the new ones.
Anyway Molotov Rocktail is an easy 70 copper zcoins.

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

24 Apr 2009 at 17:00 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by naughteblonde

Thats kind of odd...
My Bounty was Molotov Rocktail and my Mission is Blacktide Den - not Kanaxi/Blood Washes Blood.

Kanaxi/Blood Washes Blood were yesterday's bounty/mission. They change daily.

Rice

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

WTB Any Req Bladed,Echovald,Ornate,Outcast Shield,Gothic Defender,Str Req Diamond Aegis, +HP/+10 VS

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24 Apr 2009 at 17:03 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaon

A guildie of mine claimed he could not put his coins in storage. He deleted and remade his pvp char so he could do the quest twice. So basically you can't switch coins to other characters.

If you read the update (yes the actually text on their website) it clearly states that z-coin are not tradable, but you can transfer them via Storage. It is a bug that prevent people from putting them into storage atm, they are looking into it.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

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24 Apr 2009 at 17:04 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhaze

Kanaxi/Blood Washes Blood were yesterday's bounty/mission. They change daily.

Thank Melandru the bounties are not all in the elite areas. Kanaxai on the first day? I want some of whatever they were smoking.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

24 Apr 2009 at 17:21 - 19

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Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

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24 Apr 2009 at 17:33 - 20

Just the gvg quest is gonna get me 250/350 * 9 coins every time it gets here.. I got it on all my characters right now and I should get it again within 2 weeks, I can also do some other random quests, so I think I will have that bag in about 2 weeks.

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

N/Me

24 Apr 2009 at 17:35 - 21

The issue with storage of coins is a bug that they are fixing, so you will be able to combine them between your characters.

Do the quests in HM and you'll get a lot more coins. So the 300+ days claim is wrong. Last night I did Blood Washes Blood in HM and did the Deep in HM. I ended up with something like 275 copper coins. And that's just on ONE character. Getting to 7.5k won't take that long... maybe a few weeks of casual playing.

Also keep in mind, the quests won't always be as involved as the Deep. Like today, for example, is Molatov Rocktail (easy) and Blacktide Den (eeeeeasy).

I have yet to dive in to the combat quests, but from what i saw of the first one, you can get even more coins with those than you can with the pve quests.

Lastly, you get other rewards besides the coins... faction, gold, experience above what you would normally get for doing those quests.

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

24 Apr 2009 at 18:04 - 22

Casual Playing for some is not casual playing for others.

I was really looking forward to the equipment packs and still am. However, I was hoping that they would be outrageously expensive as far as gold costs (say 20-50k). Having to quite literally grind out 7,500 coins is quite disheartening.

That being said... *heads off to go kill some stuff for some Z-Coins*

veteran_player

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

ATF

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24 Apr 2009 at 18:10 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

Was there a point other than you don't want to put in the time or effort to get this item?

I think his point was that Guild Wars, which was originally advertised as being a game without grind is now nothing more than grind.

I actually like games that offer huge grinds. I am a gamer and I love to play games when they are well done.

The problem with the transformation of Guild Wars from a game without grind to a game that is nothing but grind center in the fact that A-net realized that they had broken the game beyond fixing and decided to abandon it for a fresh start with Guild Wars 2. This of course means that all of this grinding is for nothing because by the time the Grind Ends GW2 would be the standard and nothing that you have earned in GW1 can be moved to GW2.

I won't bother with the equiptment slot grind because the reward is not really commensurate to the effort involved. It would have been nice if the coins could be sold, as it would give players unwilling to spend 375 days in grind a reason to do some of the quests, which are obviously designed to encourage players to revisit areas that have fallen into disuse as they were not much fun to begin with.

This assumes that you were asking him in earnest as opposed to simply trolling someone who said something you do not like Miss Puddles. I apologize for taking you seriously if in fact this is not the case.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

24 Apr 2009 at 18:22 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Do the quests in HM and you'll get a lot more coins. So the 300+ days claim is wrong. Last night I did Blood Washes Blood in HM and did the Deep in HM. I ended up with something like 275 copper coins. And that's just on ONE character. Getting to 7.5k won't take that long... maybe a few weeks of casual playing..

I don't consider a few weeks to be a reasonable time to earn the heavy equipment bag. Not to mention that is just on one character. Multiply that times 3 or 4 for various characters and the wait time becomes ridiculous.

In the end, making the cost of these items so high will be self defeating to the purpose of the daily quests, which was to bring players together in various parts of the game. It will work for a while but then these areas will will quickly be as empty as they ever were.

For instance, once I finally get the bag, do i want to earn elite tomes? They are 1000 copper zcoins each. Do i really want to go through blacktide den 6 times and kill rocktale 7 times to get one? (assuming I am willing to play 7 characters in one day) The money's ok but I can earn more farming. The faction points are pretty useless (got max sunspear and max vanguard already). And that is more than 7 hours of repetitive play to earn something I could have earned the money for by farming in less than half an hour.

Once I get the bags, and i may just give up and settle for smaller ones, why would I want to return to these quests? The reward is just too small for the work involved.

Good grief, just let me buy the dang equipment bag for 75k and I'll be happy.

JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

24 Apr 2009 at 18:29 - 25

unless some quests offer alot of coins then this is going to suck to do more than once for each charcter. i already hate doing pve only skill quest for multiple vcharacters.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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24 Apr 2009 at 18:40 - 26

Unless there are other ways to acquire those bags, those prices are just insane.
I want a bag to store things, not to look at it just before GW2 starts.

The Moss spider, a legendary pet quite hard o get costs 5 GCoins, and a bag with 20 slots costs 20?
It will take me less time to get the pre-Ascalon light bag than the one from GCoins.
That's just bad calculation.

Yeah, you'll be able to make the quests with several characters and sum them up, but that doesn't solve anything.
If all characters give their coins to one so he can get a bag, what do those characters get? Nothing.

If you don't fix the prices, you should at least make them drop in hard mode, or from Dungeon chests, or available at End-credits or elite area collectors or something.

But by all the gods, don't expect us to spend one month per character grinding to get a feature that should be available much faster like the rest of bags have always been.
This is GW, so let's not make numbers and count time with a typical MMORGP in mind, please.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

24 Apr 2009 at 19:19 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Good grief, just let me buy the dang equipment bag for 75k and I'll be happy.

Seriously! Just let me buy the bags... Making me grind for a year or more to get them for all my chars is just ridiculous.

I mean, the zoins aren't even tradable!

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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24 Apr 2009 at 19:21 - 28

Charge me 20k and let me buy a damn 20 slot bag already. This is stupid. The only reason they did that was to make it so that they wouldn't have to actually give anybody 20 more slots until after they make a ton of money by selling storage panels, makeovers and name changes. Now with this grind they'll have a ton of money by the time most people get a bag.

The least they could do is let us use up our zaishen points to buy gold coins or something.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

24 Apr 2009 at 19:23 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Seriously! Just let me buy the bags... Making me grind for a year or more to get them for all my chars is just ridiculous.

I mean, the zoins aren't even tradable!

But the bags WILL be...

so why not just enjoy doing the quests, hell, Rocktail in HM was fun today and then buy them when people have them

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

24 Apr 2009 at 19:47 - 30

i want all people with multiple characters and accounts to grind so hard so i can see if the unlimited crates give you points towards the title..gogogo

Shemsu Anpw

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2008

Sephirot - Keter

24 Apr 2009 at 19:54 - 31

You could also buy a small one for a char or two and then switch to different chars until you earn the larger ones? Then sell the smaller one to someone who needs it cheaper then the merch. Its only 2.4k what else are you going to do with money?

Funk ee Monk ee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Legendary Adventurers Guild [LAG]

24 Apr 2009 at 21:17 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmithyBen

i want all people with multiple characters and accounts to grind so hard so i can see if the unlimited crates give you points towards the title..gogogo

No other everlasting item has ever given points towards any title so why would this be any different?

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

24 Apr 2009 at 21:52 - 33

I am hoping that the "equipment packs" will be able to be sold. I would definitely buy at least 3 of the 20 slot size!

I wish there was a better way to get them other then just those quests.

T1Cybernetic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Wakefield, West Yorkshire, Uk, Nr Earth

Alternate Evil Gamers [aeg]

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24 Apr 2009 at 22:14 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funk ee Monk ee

No other everlasting item has ever given points towards any title so why would this be any different?

There was a recent bug with one of the everlasting items (I forget which) but that is the only exception...

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:12 - 35

Actually for me the 1st time I heard about Zaishen Coins, other than it being quest rewards, I thought GW was also going to implement it through the ingame or ncsoft store (like the many free microtrans games out there now), but I was wrong and read about it more. lol.

im personally done grinding for the game, so gl to all.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

25 Apr 2009 at 01:36 - 36

By my calculations since one small pack = 5 silver coins = 2500g. So since 10 silver coins = 1 gold coin, 15*2*2.5k= 75k give or take a few gold that you pay to get each coin, I would suggest that this be the trader price. Either this or up the ante for the amount of coins that can be collected, like put another 0 after the bronze coin rewards.

I mean comon ANET, you could at the very least give us the light equipment pack on the merch as a compromise.

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

P/Me

25 Apr 2009 at 02:24 - 37

zoins! i like it.
i don't know about you guys, but i'm definitely going to spend my hard earned gold zoins on elite assassin tomes

Ravi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Average Joes [none]

Mo/W

25 Apr 2009 at 02:58 - 38

its not that bad guys, really, if it wasn't for the storage bug, i'd have a gold coin already. did all three quests with 2 chars, 1 or 2 zquests with 2 more chars, i already have 10 silver across some of my characters, if u can get 5 chars that can go anywhere in the game, you can easily get 1 gold coin a day once the bug is corrected.

if i were you guys, i would put all our collective qq towards getting the bug fixed lol.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

25 Apr 2009 at 03:26 - 39

Quote:

Last night I did Blood Washes Blood in HM and did the Deep in HM. I ended up with something like 275 copper coins. And that's just on ONE character. Getting to 7.5k won't take that long... maybe a few weeks of casual playing.

lol and how much time do you consider CASUAL playing lol. What you did would take me a week of playing time to do. That's CASUAL playing not what you are doing. lol I get a kick out of these hard core who call themselves CASUAL playing hahaha.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Apr 2009 at 03:35 - 40

I'm rather disappointed to see this too. But, it looks like Anet is wanting more and more every day for Guild Wars to become Grind Wars. It is a shame they want to throw away what really set them apart from other games in this genre.