*Make them buyable at merchants.
*Make them cost less zaishen coins.
*The one already at the merchant costs too much... 2,500g for something we can get in pre?
*If the above isn't done, add something so that we can upgrade them, like is done with runes of holding, so if we buy small trying to grind for the others, we can upgrade it as we go rather than wasting money/time
Equipment Packs
Empress Amarox
Helix Dreadlock
/signed I agree completely, it's too tough for 1 whole set of armor at the basic pack.
Si Mana
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*Make them buyable at merchants.
*Make them cost less zaishen coins. *The one already at the merchant costs too much... 2,500g for something we can get in pre? *If the above isn't done, add something so that we can upgrade them, like is done with runes of holding, so if we buy small trying to grind for the others, we can upgrade it as we go rather than wasting money/time |
Then to top it off trying to put the coins in vault after reading on official website that they're transferable. Later l read in wiki its a bug. So now more useless junk sitting in already overcrowed bags as l'm unable to buy more storage slots due to GW store webpage not coping with the strain.
Seriously reality check on this one Anet, it's just downright lousy.
lewis91
/signed
Waited so long for this extra bag, only to get 5 slots. Thats 1 armor set taken care of, now what about the other 4?
Waited so long for this extra bag, only to get 5 slots. Thats 1 armor set taken care of, now what about the other 4?
alluring athena
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*Make them buyable at merchants.
*Make them cost less zaishen coins. *The one already at the merchant costs too much... 2,500g for something we can get in pre? *If the above isn't done, add something so that we can upgrade them, like is done with runes of holding, so if we buy small trying to grind for the others, we can upgrade it as we go rather than wasting money/time |
All of a sudden additional character slots seem so much more appealing
/signed
Siirius Black
12 chars
Zahr Dalsk
7500 copper coins. Jesus Imaginary Christ, that's ridiculous.
/signed
/signed
Ghost Dog
/signed this is a bit much
legacyofkain85
/signed ,7500 copper coins may be a bit Too much lol.
Curse You
/signed
I was waiting for someone to make a topic about this. They should at least offer the Heavy Equipment Pack at merchants, with Zions being an alternative if you don't want to pay. As it stands, you have to grind your butt off doing the Zaishen Quests just to get one.
I was waiting for someone to make a topic about this. They should at least offer the Heavy Equipment Pack at merchants, with Zions being an alternative if you don't want to pay. As it stands, you have to grind your butt off doing the Zaishen Quests just to get one.
MisterT69
/signed to at LEAST make them buyable w/gold. I'll gladly pay 20k for a heavy equip bag just I'm not willing to GRIND it out for 7500 coins which is absolutely ridiculous.
Crimso
You're better off getting 3 Large equipment bags(15 items) anyway, the extra 5 slots are not worth it for 7500 bronze coins . When the large ones are only 2500 bronze coins.
Axel Zinfandel
/Signed with blood, this idea is THAT good
At LEAST make them buyable with REAL gold, because GW is NOT supposed to be Grind Wars!
At LEAST make them buyable with REAL gold, because GW is NOT supposed to be Grind Wars!
elypta
I think It's fine, You dont need the extra storage and you did almost 4 years wihtout them.. Its not thats it a grind, I find it pretty fun getting new objective's ea day...It's fine how it is and like said before, if you think its to much be satisfied with a smaller pack
HawkofStorms
Eh... on the fence.
I mean, buying small equipment packs for every one of my 10 character is still 50 free storage spots cleared up, which is a lot on its own, plus the new free slot.
I think a.net is intentionally making it hard to get these bigger packs because then fewer people will have them so it will be less of a burden on their server space. Kinda a balancing thing so people don't have a bunch of level 1 mules with full storage and packs full of junk, but can still get them if they really need/want them. I mean, other games do the same thing to limit storage to only those who really need it (Warhammer online for instance give you a new bag unlock automatically every 10 levels, which means several low level mules can hold less then one lvl 40 character).
I mean, buying small equipment packs for every one of my 10 character is still 50 free storage spots cleared up, which is a lot on its own, plus the new free slot.
I think a.net is intentionally making it hard to get these bigger packs because then fewer people will have them so it will be less of a burden on their server space. Kinda a balancing thing so people don't have a bunch of level 1 mules with full storage and packs full of junk, but can still get them if they really need/want them. I mean, other games do the same thing to limit storage to only those who really need it (Warhammer online for instance give you a new bag unlock automatically every 10 levels, which means several low level mules can hold less then one lvl 40 character).
Operative 14
/Most definitively signed.
I'm very excited by these packs, they're EXACTLY what I was hoping for. However, the idea of having to get 7,500 Z-Coins is very, very daunting. Even the hardcore group is saying it will take them weeks to get a 20 slot pack, and frankly that's just off putting.
If they must be hard to get, make them cost 50k and only available from the merchants at the end game outposts.
I'm very excited by these packs, they're EXACTLY what I was hoping for. However, the idea of having to get 7,500 Z-Coins is very, very daunting. Even the hardcore group is saying it will take them weeks to get a 20 slot pack, and frankly that's just off putting.
If they must be hard to get, make them cost 50k and only available from the merchants at the end game outposts.
headlesshobbs
I think I share the same view with elypta here when it comes to just now important these things are. I'll play casual, but for the time being it'll help keep my custom weps out of the main inventory.
Xion Air
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shouldn't have to grind for weeks for one 20 slot bag.
shouldn't have to grind for weeks for one 20 slot bag.
Marverick
Cost should be reduced.
Bags of lesser-tier should be able to be upgraded into higher-tier bags for a price of the price difference between the two bags (+ maybe a small gold fee, 1kish). That way buying a light won't be a waste before buying a large.
Bags of lesser-tier should be able to be upgraded into higher-tier bags for a price of the price difference between the two bags (+ maybe a small gold fee, 1kish). That way buying a light won't be a waste before buying a large.
_Nihilist_
Just buy a Small Pack (2.5k) for now and save up your Zaishen Coins.
Be glad that Anet even gave this option. They didn't have to do anything. If you can't be arsed to save your Z-Coins for the larger Equipment Packs, then that's your own deal.
Marverick had the best idea so far. That way, you could slowly work your way up from the Small Pack up to the Heavy Pack with less inconvenience, and periodic upgrades to reward sticking with the means of getting the better Packs.
The rest of the whining... just /gimmegimme spam, as far as I can tell. Grow up, and get the frag over it.
Be glad that Anet even gave this option. They didn't have to do anything. If you can't be arsed to save your Z-Coins for the larger Equipment Packs, then that's your own deal.
Marverick had the best idea so far. That way, you could slowly work your way up from the Small Pack up to the Heavy Pack with less inconvenience, and periodic upgrades to reward sticking with the means of getting the better Packs.
The rest of the whining... just /gimmegimme spam, as far as I can tell. Grow up, and get the frag over it.
Shayne Hawke
Gosh, you're all just a bunch of QQers. Didn't you do alright without the storage before the update?
Yeah. You did. Leave the cost where it's at, because there's no actual reason to have it go anywhere. Only reason why getting it now would be a pain is because the Z-Coin bug hasn't been fixed yet.
/notsigned
Yeah. You did. Leave the cost where it's at, because there's no actual reason to have it go anywhere. Only reason why getting it now would be a pain is because the Z-Coin bug hasn't been fixed yet.
/notsigned
Curse You
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I think It's fine, You dont need the extra storage and you did almost 4 years wihtout them.. Its not thats it a grind, I find it pretty fun getting new objective's ea day...It's fine how it is and like said before, if you think its to much be satisfied with a smaller pack
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Gosh, you're all just a bunch of QQers. Didn't you do alright without the storage before the update?
Yeah. You did. Leave the cost where it's at, because there's no actual reason to have it go anywhere. Only reason why getting it now would be a pain is because the Z-Coin bug hasn't been fixed yet. /notsigned |
Seriously, the "you were alright before" argument is always dumb. The past doesn't matter with stuff like this. Things change and we have to change with them or get left behind.
Joseph Spiritmaster
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Just buy a Small Pack (2.5k) for now and save up your Zaishen Coins.
Be glad that Anet even gave this option. They didn't have to do anything. If you can't be arsed to save your Z-Coins for the larger Equipment Packs, then that's your own deal. Marverick had the best idea so far. That way, you could slowly work your way up from the Small Pack up to the Heavy Pack with less inconvenience, and periodic upgrades to reward sticking with the means of getting the better Packs. The rest of the whining... just /gimmegimme spam, as far as I can tell. Grow up, and get the frag over it. |
/Not Sign Orignal Idea (though Mavericks is nice)
All i've been hearing about this update is "Waaahh i cant get the best thing NOW.. waahhhh-whine-rant-QQ-Waaaaaahhh"
People, you need to learn that you cant always get what you want, right away, and sadly with the current PvE Meta SC Everything, people get upset when something comes along and they cant get it right away.
Learn to suck it up and actually WORK towards something, it feels more rewarding in the end.
MithranArkanere
Those prices are VERY bad designed.
At the rate gold coins are acquired, it may take between 2 weeks and more than 2 months to get them. And to get them in less than 2 weeks you need to do quite hard core questing, and focus all coins in one character, while the rest of the characters that also worked for the coins get nothing.
This is GW.
Those prices and time required to get those items are NOT GW-like.
The light bag should not cost more than 1k, and the heavy pack should not go over 10k.
1k, 2.5k, 5k, 10k.
That's GW-like.
You can get the small for 50 iris flowers, and you get those in less than half an hour without trading.
And what's with the replacement? I pay for a bag, and then what do I do with the precious one? Give it to another character that already have it? Sell it to other players that already have it?
Why go for the 10 and 15 slots bags when there is a 20 slot bag?
People will ONLY get the 5 slots, and then grind for the 20 slots.
This design is flawed, and must be fixed.
Change the 10, 15 and 20 bags into runes that require the previous size, and reduce the price of those runes.
Then, each of the 3 runes will make a bag into the next size, until its maximum.
That's how you do it right.
At the rate gold coins are acquired, it may take between 2 weeks and more than 2 months to get them. And to get them in less than 2 weeks you need to do quite hard core questing, and focus all coins in one character, while the rest of the characters that also worked for the coins get nothing.
This is GW.
Those prices and time required to get those items are NOT GW-like.
The light bag should not cost more than 1k, and the heavy pack should not go over 10k.
1k, 2.5k, 5k, 10k.
That's GW-like.
You can get the small for 50 iris flowers, and you get those in less than half an hour without trading.
And what's with the replacement? I pay for a bag, and then what do I do with the precious one? Give it to another character that already have it? Sell it to other players that already have it?
Why go for the 10 and 15 slots bags when there is a 20 slot bag?
People will ONLY get the 5 slots, and then grind for the 20 slots.
This design is flawed, and must be fixed.
Change the 10, 15 and 20 bags into runes that require the previous size, and reduce the price of those runes.
Then, each of the 3 runes will make a bag into the next size, until its maximum.
That's how you do it right.
Clone
/signed
This is a big grind, and I'm loosing a lot of interest in this series for fears Grind Wars 2, Now With More Grind! will be right around the corner. At these rates, I know I'm never going to get these for all of my characters so I'm not really feeling the motivation to even try for one.
This is a big grind, and I'm loosing a lot of interest in this series for fears Grind Wars 2, Now With More Grind! will be right around the corner. At these rates, I know I'm never going to get these for all of my characters so I'm not really feeling the motivation to even try for one.
Floski
NO YOU'RE WHINING. STOP IT. GRAAAAAR
Never mind the fact that you are right, the tiering of the system is flawed just as major runes used to be. Remember when they were -50? Why bother using a major? It's health sac was too much for too little, better to just use the sup or suck it up and use a minor. After Anet finally, after years of "whining", managed to see the reality of that mistake and fixed it, you see more people running majors as an alternative. You can run double majors with the same health sac as a sup and play around with your atts more. Much more effective.
What is it about fanboyism that causes people to act as apologists for the game companies? Do you do this for governments as well? Stop whining? You're lucky they even gave you this much? They didn't have to do anything? Hell I paid for this game, and the other 3 games, at full price when they first came out. I'm not asking for things on a silver platter, I just want things to make sense. Not being able to buy and sell zcoins makes no sense.
Never mind the fact that you are right, the tiering of the system is flawed just as major runes used to be. Remember when they were -50? Why bother using a major? It's health sac was too much for too little, better to just use the sup or suck it up and use a minor. After Anet finally, after years of "whining", managed to see the reality of that mistake and fixed it, you see more people running majors as an alternative. You can run double majors with the same health sac as a sup and play around with your atts more. Much more effective.
What is it about fanboyism that causes people to act as apologists for the game companies? Do you do this for governments as well? Stop whining? You're lucky they even gave you this much? They didn't have to do anything? Hell I paid for this game, and the other 3 games, at full price when they first came out. I'm not asking for things on a silver platter, I just want things to make sense. Not being able to buy and sell zcoins makes no sense.
MithranArkanere
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zwei2stein
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Cost should be reduced.
Bags of lesser-tier should be able to be upgraded into higher-tier bags for a price of the price difference between the two bags (+ maybe a small gold fee, 1kish). That way buying a light won't be a waste before buying a large. |
That removes stress of saving for 20 slot bag and not wanting to let 1 or 5 coins get wasted by buying lesser bags.
That what it really needed, way of gradual upgrades.
lilDeath
The scaling of the Equipment pack sizes (e-packs) and the cost / effort linked to them is flawed. There is a HUGE disparity.
It is almost like they don't want you to get any 20-slot e-packs, or even 15-slot e-packs.
Here's why:
You can get 5x 10-slot (50 slots!!) e-packs for the price of 1x 15-slot e-pack.
Why the hell would you ever get a 15-slot e-pack?
If you do ever decide to get a 15-slot e-pack, and then thinking about getting a 20-slot e-pack, you realise... you can get 3x15-slot e-packs (45 slots total) for the price of 1x 20-slot e-pack.
Why the hell would you get a 20-slot e-pack, for less than half the storage, at the same cost?
The only real scale that makes sense with the e-packs is going from a small e-pack (5 slots, 5 silver coins) to light e-pack (10 slots, 10 silver coins).
(The Red Iris Flowers and 2.5k for the small bag is very easy, so not even taking this into account.)
Here's a simple breakdown (valued in Zaishen coins):
small e-pack (5 slots) - 5s
light e-pack (10 slots) - 1g, 10s, 500b
large e-pack (15 slots) - 5g, 50s, 2500b
heavy e-pack (20 slots) - 15g, 150s, 7500b
Come on ANet, you can do better than this.
/signed (on improving the scale / cost / effort)
It is almost like they don't want you to get any 20-slot e-packs, or even 15-slot e-packs.
Here's why:
You can get 5x 10-slot (50 slots!!) e-packs for the price of 1x 15-slot e-pack.
Why the hell would you ever get a 15-slot e-pack?
If you do ever decide to get a 15-slot e-pack, and then thinking about getting a 20-slot e-pack, you realise... you can get 3x15-slot e-packs (45 slots total) for the price of 1x 20-slot e-pack.
Why the hell would you get a 20-slot e-pack, for less than half the storage, at the same cost?
The only real scale that makes sense with the e-packs is going from a small e-pack (5 slots, 5 silver coins) to light e-pack (10 slots, 10 silver coins).
(The Red Iris Flowers and 2.5k for the small bag is very easy, so not even taking this into account.)
Here's a simple breakdown (valued in Zaishen coins):
small e-pack (5 slots) - 5s
light e-pack (10 slots) - 1g, 10s, 500b
large e-pack (15 slots) - 5g, 50s, 2500b
heavy e-pack (20 slots) - 15g, 150s, 7500b
Come on ANet, you can do better than this.
/signed (on improving the scale / cost / effort)
Imaginos
Something should be changed on the way these are being done currently.
Anet should consider raising the rewards for the pve quests/bounty Something like 75 in nm, +150 in HM. They should also allow gold coins to be bought for 5000 faction as thats how much a zkey costs and a zkey can be bought for 1 gold coin.
Then you could get coins via ziashen challenge/elite, pvp (in all its flavors) or just pve questing.
I like the above idea of having the bags upgradable in tier in some way, via runes or something. A higher version buyable at the endgame areas would be good also. That gives more people more options on ways to do/obtain things.
Anet should consider raising the rewards for the pve quests/bounty Something like 75 in nm, +150 in HM. They should also allow gold coins to be bought for 5000 faction as thats how much a zkey costs and a zkey can be bought for 1 gold coin.
Then you could get coins via ziashen challenge/elite, pvp (in all its flavors) or just pve questing.
I like the above idea of having the bags upgradable in tier in some way, via runes or something. A higher version buyable at the endgame areas would be good also. That gives more people more options on ways to do/obtain things.
Joseph Spiritmaster
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No, we didn't. That's why there were all those storage threads and suggestions everywhere. And they will still be.
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Gosh, so unthankful.
Awex Mafyews
/signed
Just seems like another ploy by anet to keep us all grinding for desirable items until they get round to releasing GW 2
I'm not saying these bags should be easy to get (gold-wise), I don't mind paying say 20k for a heavy equipment pack and then 15k for a large and so on I just think they should be easier to obtain for those who can afford them
Just seems like another ploy by anet to keep us all grinding for desirable items until they get round to releasing GW 2
I'm not saying these bags should be easy to get (gold-wise), I don't mind paying say 20k for a heavy equipment pack and then 15k for a large and so on I just think they should be easier to obtain for those who can afford them
Empress Amarox
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Learn to suck it up and actually WORK towards something, it feels more rewarding in the end.
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I don't care if they're a lot of gold, I just don't want to have to grind for them. I don't like playing the game anymore, I'll probably never get them through grinding. I have gold though, and I would pay. Make them 100k, that's a huge gold sink. I'd get them for all my chars, and that's 1600k out of the economy right there. Others probably would too...
I just want an alternative, I won't grind for this.
Enon
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I just don't want to have to grind for them.
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Hermos
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How would paying 100k or so for a 20 slot bag not be working for it? XTH aside.
I don't care if they're a lot of gold, I just don't want to have to grind for them. I don't like playing the game anymore, I'll probably never get them through grinding. I have gold though, and I would pay. Make them 100k, that's a huge gold sink. I'd get them for all my chars, and that's 1600k out of the economy right there. Others probably would too... I just want an alternative, I won't grind for this. |
Perfect. The problem here is obviously that people keep wanting more and more, except this time Anet has drawn a line.
sororitygirl
I love how anet repeatedly dumbs down this game and yet this update they make something so essential worth hours and hours of grinding... are they trying to make us give in and buy storage panes instead of getting the in-game storage? Even doing quests on HM and completing the daily bonus on the combat mission, this is going to take forever. As badly as I could use a 20-slot bag for my main character and all her armor sets, I don't know if it's worth it. I will have to grind hours a day for a days and days to get that many coins... and just 7 rounds of dumb kurzicks in AB made me want to ragequit.
MithranArkanere
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Gosh, so unthankful. |
Goddess Of Defense
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Arenanet themselves even said they wanted to make Guild Wars less likely to enduce grinding. That is why they did the HoM update. Even though I can say even if they don't fix it so it's less to grind over, people who are happy to grind might be willing to sell their equipment packs for ingame gold. *hint hint, wink wink* This contradicts what they were trying to do when they made the coins non-tradeable. So instead of grinding yourself, you should just let others grind and then buy the packs for insane amounts of platinum/ecto.
Arenanet themselves even said they wanted to make Guild Wars less likely to enduce grinding. That is why they did the HoM update. Even though I can say even if they don't fix it so it's less to grind over, people who are happy to grind might be willing to sell their equipment packs for ingame gold. *hint hint, wink wink* This contradicts what they were trying to do when they made the coins non-tradeable. So instead of grinding yourself, you should just let others grind and then buy the packs for insane amounts of platinum/ecto.
faraaz
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All i've been hearing about this update is "Waaahh i cant get the best thing NOW.. waahhhh-whine-rant-QQ-Waaaaaahhh"
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People are complaining about the way Anet has gone about implementing this feature which was hyped considerably after years of constant berating by the playerbase because this is something extremely basic in games of this genre. They're not saying I want 'em free...they are saying the SCALING of the 4 different equipment bags is completely botched up. 2500 coins for 15 slots or 7500 for 20...hmm...I wonder which I should get...NOT!
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Now, I'm sure Anet was trying to implement this with the aim of giving people an incentive to do the Zaishen quests more often. But here's the thing...when the reward is only achievable to the extremely hardcore who are doing the quests on all their characters EVERY SINGLE DAY with the goal of getting those equipment packs (which is the very definition of grind), then you kill the spirit of the game.
Am I saying there isnt any grind in GW? No...Eye of the North was an exemplary example of that. But look what they did there. They buffed the cut off points for all PvE skills, so that what earlier needed r8 is now what? r5? r6 in some cases? That's a step in the right direction which was taken AFTER a ton of people on forums much like these made their opinions about it known LOUD and clear. So, Anet's not perfect. They CAN make mistakes. I just hope they dont take quite as long to fix this mess as they did the previous ones.
Tl;dr version: You are wrong. You are bringing a completely different issue into this argument. SF nerf plz q.q threads thataway.
Saphrium
This is a good idea.
/signed
/signed