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Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

25 Apr 2009 at 00:25 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

PvP is supposed to be competitive play. Not letting Uncle Louie's nephew join the team for silverware.

This makes no sense. You have X player slots, and Y skills per player. How can this be an exploit at all if you win?

Sure if you afk/loose, but still gain something, I'd suggest there's a bot/farm issue. But bringing a 'nub' along and still winning sounds legit.

I suspect more must be going on in this case, but then I don't PvP anymore...

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:28 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by niek2004

Recently I have been permanently banned for selling fame for ingame money, i cudnt find any of this in the ula or code of conduct. Maybe someone here can help me find where it is. I've read it over 4 times now.

These are the emails i sent to anet and the responces i got

Anyone know anything about this?

We'll looking into this with support. Could you provide us, in private, with the support ticket incident number? Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Or me getting perma'd for saying "b i t c h give it back" to my girlfriend in our GUILD HALL where we were COMPLETELY SECLUDED and CUT OFF from the entire GW population? (they found out I said this b/c they have been stalking my every chat log for the last month-- I have proof from Gaile via personal email to confirm this accused stalking) and saying the word "gay" in a CORRECT way of using it (basicly, saying it in reference in the definition of "happy"/"thrilling").

YAY communism!!

Actually, you had violated the rules quite a few times before receiving this account termination, and it wasn't for what you stated in public here in this post. Your account was terminated due to several lines of blatantly offensive chat, making this your 12th breach on the account. You were given many chances to behave, but you didn't.

HawkofStorms

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:36 - 43

Ha. Never trust somebody who got in trouble. They always lie to make themselves look better.

Whiner - "I got thrown in jail for 30 years for speeding"

What actually happened - Pulled over for speeding and dead hooker in backseat.

Sleepy Monk

Frost Gate Guardian

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:38 - 44

Theres about i'd say over 100,000 ppl if not more that don't like you Lena, ask anyone in JQ, an anyone in any Kurzick/Luxon Allances, Kamadan when you spammed for hours your yeti "/sit an esc"

so gg Lena,

Sry for your Ban for fame services

Selket

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:52 - 45

The first one was kind of over the top, sure. It makes sense to investigate, hence Regina's asking for a support ticket #.

The second mentioned ban was pretty hilarious and well-deserved.

Ryu_ookami

Frost Gate Guardian

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:52 - 46

To be honest I'm surprised you won't looked into for botting as theres 8760 hours in a year so in 3 years theres 26280 (8760x3) so you to have played for 12,900 hours over 38 months you would have been playing for approximately 10 hours a day 365 days a year.

Sindo

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25 Apr 2009 at 00:55 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryu_ookami

To be honest I'm surprised you won't looked into for botting as theres 8760 hours in a year so in 3 years theres 26280 (8760x3) so you to have played for 12,900 hours over 38 months you would have been playing for approximately 10 hours a day 365 days a year.

If you just go to the character select screen, it still counts you as logged in and time gets racked up.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

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25 Apr 2009 at 01:05 - 48

the ban may seem fair or not.
There is absolutely no progressive bans. It is like death penalty, no other chance, account termination.
His behaviour was for him a fair use of game and like any other runs/farms we can find ingame.
For ANet it is harming the reliability of pvp title as a measure and reward of skills of players, thus harming GW. ANet chooses to trade a good-faith user for a 0% risk of more offense, by completely banning him.

Who do you think it will hurt more in the end ?

Just to compare, did Rawr deliberately manipulated the ladder ?
Poor of them, their cape color got changed...
(Nota : I have nothing against rawr, just pointing on flaws)

Personnaly, if my account would get terminated in such a manner, I would just sue them for abusive termination of license.
I highly doubt their EULA got reviewed by lawyers. Oh, what, isn't that a legal contract ? In all case, players might not be lawyers and not understand fully what they are agreeing with. Especially when it is too vague and when it can be extended to whatever NCSoft decides to be harmfull for GW.

Robbeh The Mad

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AFK somewhere in Kryta

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25 Apr 2009 at 01:12 - 49

Does this mean that I’m in violation of the rules of conduct when I run the new kids in my guild from Ascalon to Lions and kill everything on the way so they can pick up the exp, sorta the same thing isn’t it?

DONT BAN ME A-NET

Shred Di

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

25 Apr 2009 at 01:17 - 50

I'm a guildie of the guy who got banned and i think it has just been a minor mis-understanding on the GM's part.

The fact is that last night my guildie added a guy to his group to farm fame, and only farmed 10 fame @2k ea (20k) and went to bed afterwards. Today, in the middle of a gvg he suddenly just logged out. There was the expected "wtf's" on vent and on logging back in he told us he was perma-banned. There wasn't even an explanation when he logged in. Of course, we were all speculating why he was perma-banned. At the time we all thought that it was because another guildie of ours had lent him a VS for the weekend (a one-sided trade that could be looked at as selling IG items for RL money). But after waiting a couple hr's+sending a support ticket he was told the reason stated in this thread. A few of us have scanned the EULA and it is clearly stated that "You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash."

By the way, the reason we're so annoyed about this and urgent to get this resolved is because we're going to be playing the MAT tomorrow, and this guildie is in the core+a 14 dayer. There are no 14 day accounts for him to play on (unless his account is re-instated v.soon).

@people saying that they're glad a fame farmer got banned. Fame farming is not afk'ing or leeching. You're given a bar+role to play in a proper team and you're expected to play decently. It gives pve'ers or people trying to get into pvp the chance to play with r9+ groups and to get to know the ins and outs of HA quite quickly.

Elephantaliste

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25 Apr 2009 at 01:32 - 51

Do people get warned for their violations or they just get their final bans once they did too many violations ?

Feathermoore Rep

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25 Apr 2009 at 03:32 - 52

I'm drinking a bit, but this topic has merged about two different bans yea?? I think its gotten off track of its orginal topic and Regina even responded to both of them individiually? Thats impressive, how bout some news on the z-coin bug while we are at it.

But on topic, buying fame has been going on for years. There's something missing to this whole topic, because someone had to report something to get A-Nets attention in the first place. And 10 fame is hardly the place for a ban. I know people have bought and sold full bambis and wolves for gold/ecto/zkeys.

As for the guy swearing, 12th account breach...i think you dug your own grave there.

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

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25 Apr 2009 at 04:03 - 53

Sorry, if what the OP says is true, A.net, that is one big unprofessional FAIL.

It's actually really just scary that you can get perma'd for selling an IN GAME service for IN GAME currency with NO warning. Even botters get second chances. I really hope you get your account back dude. GL.

shoyon456

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25 Apr 2009 at 05:22 - 54

Jonnie got what he deserved and I'm VERY glad Regina set the record straight on that...12 account breaches...

As for the guy who got perma banned for offering fame farming, that has been going on for a LONG time now and I'm sure it is a gross misunderstanding on the plaync support's side. Hopefully they will resolve it in time before the mAT tomorrow and there is no irreparable damage to the account.

I know that there is some little clause in the EULA where they will not disclose what happens in a situation where someone is banned, but I think that this concerns many people and it would be beneficial for Regina to disclose whether it was indeed a mixup on anet's side, or whether fame farming services are suddenly and abruptly against the EULA. And even if it is suddenly against the EULA, the OP should not be banned because it is not explicitly stated.

Saphrium

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25 Apr 2009 at 05:32 - 55

Well, nice manipulation there OP, almost believed the non-sense.

niek2004

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25 Apr 2009 at 06:59 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by traversc

Sorry, if what the OP says is true, A.net, that is one big unprofessional FAIL.

It's actually really just scary that you can get perma'd for selling an IN GAME service for IN GAME currency with NO warning. Even botters get second chances. I really hope you get your account back dude. GL.

Its not really my first chance, I once got a 72h ban for flaming in halls. Dunno if that counts.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

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25 Apr 2009 at 07:47 - 57

Of course it counts... and you should realize flaming etc.. is not an acceptable behaviour in MMOs.

Anyway, whereas your last supposed violation (selling fame) got you to the ultimate escalation of bannibility, you got replied by regina that you were warned about 12 previous violations (and temporarly banned?).

So your complaint is legitimate until they can point on another violation or until they decide that your last violation should have actually got you perma-banned.

The Real Avalon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

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25 Apr 2009 at 07:49 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

Of course it counts... and you should realize flaming etc.. is not an acceptable behaviour in MMOs.

Anyway, whereas your last supposed violation (selling fame) got you to the ultimate escalation of bannibility, you got replied by regina that you were warned about 12 previous violations (and temporarly banned?).

So your complaint is legitimate until they can point on another violation or until they decide that your last violation should have actually got you perma-banned.

wrong poster.

Anyways, if selling fame is bannable then selling missions runs is bannable too and thus 50% of the gw population should be banned for it.

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

25 Apr 2009 at 07:56 - 59

because PvP is srs business and PvE monsters dont complain.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

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25 Apr 2009 at 08:37 - 60

I have a feeling that its rather connected to champ pt farming. Have you ever used cp farmer guilds? Because that is more likely ladder manipulation (imo) when the 2 lame-*ss guilds join in in dead hours then just resign to farm cp-s, so they dont lose rating or rank either as they do it for several matches

??Evan??

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25 Apr 2009 at 08:58 - 61

this ban is ridiculous even if he has multiple violations this shouldn't count. The people paying for fame don't sit and afk, they actually have to play. They are paying to play with a good team which they would not have a chance with otherwise. This isn't the same as paying for champ points where you sync in two guilds and resign. There is no manipulation or exploits going on here, people actually have to win games against other teams.

Rhasa Ghoull

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25 Apr 2009 at 14:11 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We'll looking into this with support. Could you provide us, in private, with the support ticket incident number? Thanks.

She is replying to Niek2004 at this point. And asking him for information concerning the ban, so she can look into it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Actually, you had violated the rules quite a few times before receiving this account termination, and it wasn't for what you stated in public here in this post. Your account was terminated due to several lines of blatantly offensive chat, making this your 12th breach on the account. You were given many chances to behave, but you didn't.

Here she is replying to a totally different person named JonnieBoi05.

I find it amazing that some folks cannot make the connection that it is two different people she is talking about.

Context Clues for the win.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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25 Apr 2009 at 15:36 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

I highly doubt their EULA got reviewed by lawyers.

I'm pretty sure the EULA got written, and then reviewed again, by lawyers. All legal documents are usually handeled by lawyers.

The OP's ban however doesn't realy breach that EULA, and therefor, should be reviewed.

lilDeath

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25 Apr 2009 at 16:02 - 64

Didn't Regina hint at something similar to this in one of her wiki updates?
Think it was around the same time rawr got their gold cape removed for pulling the dance routine in a mAT.

I seem to recall reading it and still thinking, whoa, there goes fame farming.

w00t!

Wilds Pathfinder

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25 Apr 2009 at 16:30 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Hmm... just keep e-mailing them. It's obvious the support team doesn't even understand your complaint. This is no different from running or any other service offered in the game.

Yes it is. The difference is that one is competitive and the other cooperative.

It's pretty clear that Anet will ban for competitive manipulation. In the old huge tourney days serious real world dollar prizes were given, so offenses like this simply have to be taken very seriously.

In the case of PvE, it's also fairly clear that running and the like is okay as long as the runner does not gain real world money. As soon as it crosses the line from in-game cash to real-world cash, that's where the player will get banned. So you can make a zillion GW bucks, but as soon as you try to convert it to real-world bucks, you'll get hit with the ban stick.

Just go back to tort law for your answers. It's really fairly clear, even if the EULA isn't.

Krill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

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25 Apr 2009 at 16:57 - 66

If this guy stays banned for a fame farming service Gwen and Tahlkora should be doing 9000 life sentences.

MithranArkanere

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25 Apr 2009 at 17:06 - 67

Is quite simple to understand.
If you want to let people join you to get fame while doing nothing, you are free to do so.
If you want to get any kind of in-game or out-game profit from it, you are busted.

Why the other guys who did so are not banned? Because you are the one that was reported.
Don't worry, from now on more fame sellers will get reported if more people learn that their behavior is punishable.

Let's make sure everyone knows.

Sarevok Thordin

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25 Apr 2009 at 17:35 - 68

Smells like they are trying to preserve the "prestige" of the bambi :P

makosi

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25 Apr 2009 at 17:39 - 69

It looks like people are getting pissed off because of bans then posting their stories on guru, except the stories have arms, legs and augmentations. I lol'd when Regina set the record straight. It was slightly unorthadox but I'd be pissed if someone was defaming my business too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Smells like they are trying to preserve the "prestige" of the bambi :P

Don't dis the deer!

Axeman002

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2008

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25 Apr 2009 at 17:43 - 70

i think there abit trigger happy for people to buy new accounts ...

if it was so 'illegal' why didnt they post in the services part of guru and state so, as they have Gm's etc that browse this forum..

Glints Bane

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27 Apr 2009 at 04:57 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shred Di

I'm a guildie of the guy who got banned and i think it has just been a minor mis-understanding on the GM's part.

The fact is that last night my guildie added a guy to his group to farm fame, and only farmed 10 fame @2k ea (20k) and went to bed afterwards. Today, in the middle of a gvg he suddenly just logged out. There was the expected "wtf's" on vent and on logging back in he told us he was perma-banned. There wasn't even an explanation when he logged in. Of course, we were all speculating why he was perma-banned. At the time we all thought that it was because another guildie of ours had lent him a VS for the weekend (a one-sided trade that could be looked at as selling IG items for RL money). But after waiting a couple hr's+sending a support ticket he was told the reason stated in this thread. A few of us have scanned the EULA and it is clearly stated that "You may not offer in-game services for real-world cash."

By the way, the reason we're so annoyed about this and urgent to get this resolved is because we're going to be playing the MAT tomorrow, and this guildie is in the core+a 14 dayer. There are no 14 day accounts for him to play on (unless his account is re-instated v.soon).

@people saying that they're glad a fame farmer got banned. Fame farming is not afk'ing or leeching. You're given a bar+role to play in a proper team and you're expected to play decently. It gives pve'ers or people trying to get into pvp the chance to play with r9+ groups and to get to know the ins and outs of HA quite quickly.

Yeah that totally sucks. If either of you could update us on the outcome of the new investigation that would be awesome.

It really sucks that he was a core +14 dayer.

One thing that gets me is that the GM that emailed you seemed to jsut kinda blow it off instead of looking into the actual situation.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Apr 2009 at 05:50 - 72

Write again mate.. Hopefully someone start thinking..
Surprised by the number of whining dudes shouting "thats what you deserve"...

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Yes, but that's not the defining feature of communism; it's a corruption of it. It really should have been "Yay for restriction of personal freedoms!"

Oh please, dont turn this in a political discussion, especially when you have pretty distorted way of seeing things.. I bet most US citizens also believe the US "liberated" Irak and all the others dozens of countries, openly or covertly attacked...

Proff

Jungle Guide

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27 Apr 2009 at 06:36 - 73

Well.... at least they don't seem to care about pve. Hopefully you get your account back.

Mindjack

Ascalonian Squire

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27 Apr 2009 at 06:58 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by fb2000

Oh please, dont turn this in a political discussion, especially when you have pretty distorted way of seeing things.. I bet most US citizens also believe the US "liberated" Irak and all the others dozens of countries, openly or covertly attacked...

I think you misunderstood him. You both seem to share actually a similar point of view on communism.

But yea. That's not the right place.

Lucia

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27 Apr 2009 at 07:27 - 75

As usual, most of the posts here are beside the point;

it doesn't matter if you think that fame farming is a good thing or a bad thing, the only thing that matters is whether it is legal or not.

As there is no place in the EULA stating that selling fame for in-game money is illegal, the account should be re-instated ASAP.

In my opinion, a banned account that is re-instated should be compensated for the time during which the player couldn't play.

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

27 Apr 2009 at 07:27 - 76

Scary thing:

OP gets banned (unjustly it seems), support doesn't want to listen, doesn't care.
OP opens a thread on a fan forum.
Support looks further into the ban.

So... do you need to open a thread on a forum to be listened by support?

We have tons of leechers/bots/whatever in JQ/FA/AB, and yet they are not banned.
Sorry OP. If your story is true, I hope you get back into gw unbanned.

fenix

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27 Apr 2009 at 07:56 - 77

Once again ANet show how wonderful they are at following their own rules.

I hope you get your account back, regardless of your contribution to the ruination of both Heroes Ascent and Hero Rank.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

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Mo/W

27 Apr 2009 at 07:58 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucia

In my opinion, a banned account that is re-instated should be compensated for the time during which the player couldn't play.

When we start paying a monthly fee, sure (and in that case then it'd just be that many days free subscription, though I doubt p2p mmo's even do this).

Otherwise, free to play, no monetary loss.

XxSanctusxX

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27 Apr 2009 at 08:44 - 79

Yeah good point, there are lots of champ point farmers and even guilds who just do this. Although I dont agree with the fame farming ban, if you ban fame farmers, ban champ farmers as well.
But it's the usual thing. Someone get's banned for no reason at all (g15 keyboards, fame farm service etc.), they send good mails to support explaining why the decision is wrong, and the only thing that support does is sending you pre-made emails that they send to everyone. Good support :\ ...
Why aren't they banning FA bots, just send one GM there and ban every bot he/she sees, that'll benefit this game more then banning someone for being a service to others..

Raccoon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Me/A

27 Apr 2009 at 08:51 - 80

Alienating the fans seems to be a new method of keeping them interested in GW2.

*facepalm*

You know why people get runs for fame? Because you can't get a HA team unless your R5+, but you can't get R5+ unless you get a HA team. It's a viscous cycle of noobery.

Also LOL at "spirit of the game". It would appear that anet believes we would stop buying additional accounts from them for tournament point farming if the ladders were "fixed".