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bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

05 May 2009 at 13:13 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

*patpat.
This is why I PUG on my monk, and I don't PUG missions like Divinity Coast.

Also, things I have learnt: if a team really wants HB healer + LS protter, take the LS protter. Trying to keep up the whole team vs Argo when the prot isn't doing well is insane.

EDIT: ...okay, at least I made it through on my monk. I go on my ele, and the team wipes before I finish, say, four spells on a 40/40 set.

LS protter is what I played -

Patient Spirit, LS, D Kiss, Prot Spirit, SoA, Shielding hands, rest is optional.

It made rotscale easy peasy, of course with the HB or UA healer as well.

But when I go on my elly, every team just picks up any two monks, or in one team they thought one monk was fine. They had like three party wipes in the area outside druids overlook and I just left.

So I attempted to try the H/H rotscale build from ToA with an Ether Prism healer build, but I get pwned by fire imps ... Shield Gaurdian + Spirit Bond or Heal Party elly spammer just didnt work on Imps along with a bonder hero and Alesia.

But I will try again now with E/Rt instead, good thing that the quest stays active after you can no longer get it. I dont think I can use Life Barrier because Scribes Insight is needed to maintain Protective Bond on the two rotscale killing SS / SV necros

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

05 May 2009 at 13:25 - 122

tried to pug rotscale yesterday (trying to help people as I had already vanquished the areas and knew the spawns), and all I got was several party wipes and an idiot stealing the gold drop I had (I won't waste my time picking up anything until all ennemies are dead) and immediately disconnecting

seriously, for something worth 300g... there are too many ***** playing this game

I'll never pug again, picked up my usual heroes and completed the quest alone

Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

05 May 2009 at 13:29 - 123

Duo Monk with grenth balance to kill Rotscale.
Permasin for the run.
Done in ~10 min

Dark-NighT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Stygian Veil

Shoop Da Woop [Lolz]

N/Mo

05 May 2009 at 14:07 - 124

I love to do them, especially the missions, since pugging works a load better than hero/henchway in some missions.

Yesterday was Boreas seabed, and with a random pug we did it in hm in just 9 minutes, i can hero those annoying missions if i want to, but pugs are way more fun and a hell of a lot faster.

For instance, i cant wait till we get Gyala Hatchery on the list, a painfull and stupid mission, especially with henchies, but with a pug it might be a lot better to do.

papryk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Nancy

The Autonomy[?????????]

05 May 2009 at 14:42 - 125

<3 HA quest and GvG quests
stacks of coins ftw

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

05 May 2009 at 14:44 - 126

Quote:

But when I go on my elly, every team just picks up any two monks, or in one team they thought one monk was fine. They had like three party wipes in the area outside druids overlook and I just left.

EXACTLY. It's like -

Me: Hi.
General People In PUG: Hi.
<Non monk person joins, party is now at 7/8>
Leader: Uh, I wonder if we can do this with one monk?
Me: No. You can't - seen the damage Argo does without prot spirit? It's OK, I'm 6/8, I'll leave.

Rinse and repeat.

Even with two monks, it's pretty bad, and Togo has something to say about this:

:P

I do admit I enjoy the PUGging again, but - I think I'll stick to PUGging on my monk.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

05 May 2009 at 14:59 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

EXACTLY. It's like -

Me: Hi.
General People In PUG: Hi.
<Non monk person joins, party is now at 7/8>
Leader: Uh, I wonder if we can do this with one monk?
Me: No. You can't - seen the damage Argo does without prot spirit? It's OK, I'm 6/8, I'll leave.

Rinse and repeat.

Even with two monks, it's pretty bad, and Togo has something to say about this:

:P

I do admit I enjoy the PUGging again, but - I think I'll stick to PUGging on my monk.

Really?

Pain Inverter screwed Argo in his first damage dealing attempt...

and we only had one heal monk and even that had a pet and Unyielding Aura

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

05 May 2009 at 15:00 - 128

Then you were lucky. Forget Argo, the three teams I tried PUGging with on my ele couldn't even get past Daeman. (Pain Inverter really does work wonders, though. Unfortunately my ele hasn't got it yet.)

But, eh, oh well, you win some you lose some... after getting frustrated I poked my guildies and we finished it. I think I generally enjoy PUGging when I'm on my monk, but I don't trust Random Person #24601 to heal nowadays. =\

To below: UA is decent these days, yeah. Thing about healing is that enemies do a lot of damage in HM, and with HB and sans Prot Spirit I can't prevent one-hit kills. It's pretty much why I favour WoH hybrid, really.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

05 May 2009 at 15:01 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Really?

Pain Inverter screwed Argo in his first damage dealing attempt...

and we only had one heal monk and even that had a pet and Unyielding Aura

Not that funny as it used to be... UA is pretty decent right now.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

05 May 2009 at 15:04 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Not that funny as it used to be... UA is pretty decent right now.

Aye, damn good skill now

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

Then you were lucky. Forget Argo, the three teams I tried PUGging with on my ele couldn't even get past Daeman. (Pain Inverter really does work wonders, though. Unfortunately my ele hasn't got it yet.)

But, eh, oh well, you win some you lose some... after getting frustrated I poked my guildies and we finished it. I think I generally enjoy PUGging when I'm on my monk, but I don't trust Random Person #24601 to heal.

Totally agree, Daemon was more of a hassle and nearly party wiped us

Raccoon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Me/A

05 May 2009 at 15:21 - 131

I do the easy ones. Too many idiots around to form a decent team for HM missions.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

05 May 2009 at 15:53 - 132

I tried to H/H Boreas HM ...

too hard.

Chiyo and Sister Tai are pants in HM, I already have legendary guardian, but I remeber I did Boreas with a guild team.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

05 May 2009 at 16:27 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

I tried to H/H Boreas HM ...

too hard.

Chiyo and Sister Tai are pants in HM, I already have legendary guardian, but I remeber I did Boreas with a guild team.

The henchies there suck. You can do it easily with 6 heroes. Discordway and 1 BHA (lock her on Argo), 1 healer, 1 nuker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

Then you were lucky. Forget Argo, the three teams I tried PUGging with on my ele couldn't even get past Daeman. (Pain Inverter really does work wonders, though. Unfortunately my ele hasn't got it yet.)

One trick is to avoid going to the grounds below but run across the bridge to Daeman's gate which will be closed. Attack from the gate. This way, Eli can't get out.

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

05 May 2009 at 16:43 - 134

Quote:

One trick is to avoid going to the grounds below but run across the bridge to Daeman's gate which will be closed. Attack from the gate. This way, Eli can't get out.

I know that trick, did it with the guildies. PUGs however...

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

05 May 2009 at 17:10 - 135

I do a couple here and a couple there but at this rate it will take me months to get one haeacy q-pack and with 14 characters I am just generally disheartened with the whole z-coin thing.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

05 May 2009 at 18:30 - 136

Just did riverside and enjoyed it, i usually skip this mission ...that's probably why i've done it once in nearly 4 years

I just had an ultra blonde moment and used wrong trader...instead of tradin in my silver zoins for gold ones i trades my golds for zkeys...ahhh!!!
Oh well atleast ive done the missions and earnt a bit of cash

Apollo Smile

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

[LORE]

E/Mo

05 May 2009 at 19:44 - 137

I'm still having nightmares from my Rotscale HM experience yesterday. We beat him, but damn did we have a bad party setup.

stevedallas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

NY

The Ebon Vanguard

W/

06 May 2009 at 00:17 - 138

sometimes i dont do any, other times i do them all. it depends on what they're for. i quite like them being available

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

06 May 2009 at 00:52 - 139

Depending on the quest, the monetary reward can be decent, plus sometimes you get extra factions and stuff too.

Even though I got all the packs I needed with enough gold and other coins left over, some quests are quick and simple enough that it makes sense for me to do it on all my characters.

I especially like the Factions missions because these are quick. Afterall, their bonuses are tied to speed. If I can do it with H/H, I would do it on all my 8 characters (I let my other account tag along so I can kill 2 birds with one stone so to speak), beats waiting for a PUG group.

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

06 May 2009 at 00:55 - 140

Quote:

I usually like the Factions missions because these are quick. Afterall, their bonuses are tied to speed.

And you get more bonuses from them. The Riverside Province reward is crap compared to Boreas or Nahpui.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

06 May 2009 at 00:59 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

And you get more bonuses from them. The Riverside Province reward is crap compared to Boreas or Nahpui.

Yes, the rewards are not sized up well. Boreas is alot easier than Rotscale and yet you get more coins from Boreas.

That mission is a keeper for all my characters.

I also killed Rocktail, and Chung on all my characters. Curse of Nornbear may just be the easiest HM mission in the game so I did that on all my characters too.

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

06 May 2009 at 01:08 - 142

^

I did not touch Rotscale. Killed him once during vanquishing and that was enough for me, thanks.

I think in general the missions are more worth it than the bounties. Killing the four Stygian Lords in DoA nets you, if I remember correctly, 105 zoins. In the time taken to do that I could drag three characters through Nahpui.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

06 May 2009 at 01:15 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

^
I think in general the missions are more worth it than the bounties. Killing the four Stygian Lords in DoA nets you, if I remember correctly, 105 zoins. In the time taken to do that I could drag three characters through Nahpui.

There are time consuming missions too. The bonus HM Dzagonur mission was quite hard. There are also easy bounties like Molotov Rocktail and Chung, so it depends.

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

06 May 2009 at 01:43 - 144

Yeah, that's why I said in general. Most of the time I've found I'm more willing to do the missions (for one thing, it's a good chance to finish it on characters who haven't done it yet - or at least, haven't done it in HM.)

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

06 May 2009 at 02:37 - 145

Im not going to break my back doing then, but I'll do the ones that sounds enjoyable to me. To me, the quests are something to do. Not a way of getting more inventory spaces.

Scary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Uhmmmm??

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

N/

06 May 2009 at 09:06 - 146

First, for me its a pitty you can only take up to 3 Z-quests a time in your quest log.
Would be easyer if I could hold to them longer due to litle time I have atm to play.
But, to the question do I actully play the Z-quest.
Yes, not that I am in the mood to play for expample Prophecies once more
No. couse during the 4 years I playd that enough. More for the reason that
it is nice to see that we have lots of pugs withinn our alliance that play the
quests, so to have a nice evening playing together with old GW friends.
Yes.

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

06 May 2009 at 13:33 - 147

Only with guild. I have no need to replay missions for extra storage.

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

06 May 2009 at 13:41 - 148

I do what is either simple (Curse of the Nornbear HM on all 10 characters) or fun (Ring of Fire HM without infusion until the bonus, took about an hour but it was amazing). Stygian Lords? I've killed them enough to know it's not worth my time.

Also didn't get Boreas Seabed as I have no reason to ever get mass amounts of Suxon faction.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

06 May 2009 at 16:53 - 149

9 characters * 105 zoin reward for HM GOLEM...hmmm

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

09 May 2009 at 04:00 - 150

Just had an epic run on HM Glint which has restored my faith in how fun this game can be with a good team

We had no monks or rits, Just me another Prism E/Rt taking the honours for an almost flawless run (Booo when we both cast spirits at the same time lol).

Prism E/Rt's are awesome healers, if you cant find monks or Rits, take an E/Rt FTW.

Momoka Chan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

United Kingdom

Scions of Destiny

Mo/E

09 May 2009 at 07:54 - 151

Only when I have nothing better to do. To be honest, I don't really enjoy the endless grind and when you're doing the ZQuests it's an endless grind for coins.

Not that I don't need extra storage on my characters since I have an armour addiction. I might slowly grind for that.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

26 May 2009 at 21:08 - 152

Hired a runner for Elona Reach HM.
Best 2k I spent in a long time!

Might actually end up "doing" it on more guys then just my para.

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

26 May 2009 at 21:30 - 153

I'm not pretending for a second that this is new content, but hey, it's a bit more completion. The Zaishen quests have given me incentive to get more HM missions/bonuses done. I usually do the HM mission on my main, especially if she hasn't done it already. The bounty? I'll take it if it's a quick 35-coin kill, but they seem to like asking me to redo HM dungeons. Seriously, Frostmaw? Rragar? ~100 coins? No thank you.

The other characters may get the quests too if it's easy enough for me to kill the boss/do the mission by myself. I tend to have all characters take the easy missions and bounties, then get back to them another day when I feel like doing it.

Today isn't too bad. I don't think I'll bother with the Remnant, but Elona Reach is simple enough.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

27 May 2009 at 02:54 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Hired a runner for Elona Reach HM.
Best 2k I spent in a long time!

Might actually end up "doing" it on more guys then just my para.

Ran with my perma a couple of hours, ka-friggin-ching! Ended up doing runs for free/tips because the inflow of money was just getting too ridiculous. I think the same can be said of the few people running Sepulchre HM in 10-15 minutes for 8-10k each (up to 70k every 10-15 minutes is nice). Didn't feel like running it tough, Elona Reach is much more foolproof. Made a few hundred k running today though.

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

27 May 2009 at 14:48 - 155

A couple I've done with multiple characters (Curse and another). Otherwise, I pick and choose very carefully as to what type of faction/rep points offered, etc and then do it with whichever girl is working on that particular title or area. If the zcoin reward doesn't seem worth the effort, I don't bother taking the quest or bounty, simple as that.

Some of them are plain old not worth my time, imo. Yes, I want the equip bags, but I do have a life outside GW.

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

27 May 2009 at 17:34 - 156

I do the missions b/c I generally need the missions in HM. The bounty depends on whether or not I can do it before I got to work. I sometimes do the PvP one. The RA quest the other day was pretty fun. ^_^

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

27 May 2009 at 18:12 - 157

Initially I did as many as I could on all 10 chars. Now about half my chars have the bags they need, and I find that I'm taking the quests but not doing them, or not taking them at all. I rarely do the missions anymore, since the coin reward is simply not worth the time put in. I sometimes do the bounties on the character that it is easiest. The pvp quests sit in my log until I eventually do enough of that kind of pvp to turn it in. Probably once I get bags for all my chars, and a moss spider for my menagerie, I will only take the pvp quests and only because if I ever finish them I'll get extra faction or something.

deluxe

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Monkeyball Z

S.K.A.T. [Ban]

Mo/

27 May 2009 at 18:15 - 158

Since the introduction, i've actually done some PvE with 8 humans and not fail hard.
You just gotta weed trough the wammo's and baddies, theres still actual people that know what they are doing.

PvE quests arent worth it for the coins, but still fun. Make enough stacks of coins with gvg and ha quest.

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

27 May 2009 at 18:17 - 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by deluxe

Since the introduction, i've actually done some PvE with 8 humans and not fail hard.
You just gotta weed trough the wammo's and baddies, theres still actual people that know what they are doing.

I wish I could've found some of those for Dzagonur Bastion HM! After countless PUGs I gave up and h/h'ed it for masters on the first try.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

27 May 2009 at 20:21 - 160

now i gotten and sold my heavy equipment pack

i'll take my time and slow down on the quest. i wont be doing them on each girl unless i can do them quickly. like todays mission and boss. 35 coins for tromping through asuran area hm so not worth doing it on other then the one main that needs toi vq that spot. and after 3 pugs of nundu i am so done with that mission.