Why people going for survivor title annoy me - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Robbeh The Mad

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2009

AFK somewhere in Kryta

Raven Alliance

W/

29 Apr 2009 at 05:24 - 1

This happens about once a day.

I'm standing in LA or Kam trying to hock whatever I have at the time for gold and someone in alliance chat will say "Can I have help on a mish?". I'm helpful, I'm nice and I like to help the new kids with the game so I tell them I'm on my way. When I get there they'll say "I'm going for survivor, so can you do the mish for me while I stand back and not die?" Ugh, so let me get this straight you pulled me away from what I'm doing, disrupting my game time so I can do your work for you because you're going for a stupid title?...Well I don’t really say that but that’s what I’m thinking, anyways I do the mish for them and I move on only to see in alliance chat a few second later the same person asking for help with the next mission. Which I’m guessing they’re going to get someone else do the next mish for them...and so on and so on.

Survivor is a cool title, yeah. But isn’t there a better way to get it than being a leech and having the rest of your alliance/guild do the dirty work for you?

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

29 Apr 2009 at 05:28 - 2

Wait, what? I thought survivor is a matter of getting to LA with runner, then level 10 in Cantha and then worms/kilroy till rank 3?

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

29 Apr 2009 at 05:44 - 3

You're right, that is kind of annoying. I think the way I'd handle those people is to help them a little bit. But, if they start being excessive about it as you described, I'd tell them to start doing their own work (in a more polite manner of course

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Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

N/

29 Apr 2009 at 05:48 - 4

The reason why you hate survivors is because of a deep, unconscious memory that you cannot recall on the top of your mind. It makes you angry and breeds hatred for those who do not wish to die. It all started when you were 5. Your mother was playing a video game instead of paying attention to you. Whenever you called for her, she responded with "Not now, I'm trying to stay alive." You thought she was serious, but slowly you realized, she cared more about her game than for you. You hated that, you resented that, and now, whenever you see people trying to play a game without dying, you hate them, you hate the title, you hate the act of living in video games. You love death in video games, you love killing in PvP, you love messing up survivors, you love to see players die and wipe groups on easy missions. You love it all. But you hate those who aim not to die.

It is all thanks to Freud that I can tell you this.

*Serious mode... on* I hate survivor now too. I got it the hard way on my Paragon, before EN, and now it's just child play because of silly exploits. I want to nuke those exploits... nuke them to the ground, watch them burn into ash, smell the air as the wind blows the ash to my face, smearing it, covering it. To watch as the ash that is not stuck on me blows away, never to be seen or recognized again, lost forever in the void of the world.

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

Mo/

29 Apr 2009 at 05:50 - 5

As someone going for the Survivor title -

It's slow progress on my girl, but I'm very, very slowly bringing her through various quests and missions. I'm not too fussed about getting it fast fast fast, and I don't like dragging someone else who doesn't want to help me down. I'm sorry you have to deal with these people.

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

29 Apr 2009 at 06:17 - 6

That's why whenever I go for LS, I usually pay 2-3x what the mission is worth, or do it myself.

Ironically enough, running away gets me killed more often then actually fighting.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

29 Apr 2009 at 06:22 - 7

Those are some obnoxious survivors. Only character i ever got survivor on was my para, and i used hero/henchmen through nightfall, eotn, factions, capped most skills on the way then did 2 kilroy runs to finish off the last 100k or so. I'm gonna have to place the blame on you there though for acting all spineless and stuff, if someone punks you out like that and you just take it... well haha you should work on that dude. Alliance member or not, that's justified.

flipfly2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

A/

29 Apr 2009 at 06:30 - 8

pffffffff payign for being runned... ppl who did this doesnt deserve their LS.... i did it the hard way with my assassin.... elite capping, vanq, mish... after i attained it i was so proud that it is has become my fav title

lxl James lxl

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2008

None of your business =p

R/

29 Apr 2009 at 06:36 - 9

LS is only cool if u actually work for it and paid the runner x] but...I don't lol cause I got nice friends that willing to help me on my LS even tho I didn't asked em hah! xDD but the cool thing about LS is...the title is UBER easy to get xDDDDD it takes only 10-15 hours! to get lol while other titles take like atleast a week! xDDD

Raiku

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

29 Apr 2009 at 06:43 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The reason why you hate survivors is because of a deep, unconscious memory that you cannot recall on the top of your mind. It makes you angry and breeds hatred for those who do not wish to die. It all started when you were 5. Your mother was playing a video game instead of paying attention to you. Whenever you called for her, she responded with "Not now, I'm trying to stay alive." You thought she was serious, but slowly you realized, she cared more about her game than for you. You hated that, you resented that, and now, whenever you see people trying to play a game without dying, you hate them, you hate the title, you hate the act of living in video games. You love death in video games, you love killing in PvP, you love messing up survivors, you love to see players die and wipe groups on easy missions. You love it all. But you hate those who aim not to die.

It is all thanks to Freud that I can tell you this.

I LOL because not only did you took the time to write that but it was funny too. Why write it o.o when you could have just have serious mode to write?

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

29 Apr 2009 at 06:44 - 11

if they say that, i probably help them, if they say: help me get pass this mission please, then after 2 minutes into the mission tells you they want to go have dinner. and disappear for the rest of the mission, returns picks up all the drops, and ask you to help them with the next mission O.o

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

29 Apr 2009 at 06:49 - 12

People who get titles/achieve things in gimmicky ways don't annoy me, I just have no respect for them. Since theres no way to differentiate between the gimmicky people and the good people, these titles mean absolutely nothing to me.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

29 Apr 2009 at 06:49 - 13

There was someone like that in my alliance

He also tried to critique my builds, insisting i run trash he suggested, after about 10 minutes he relented and let me do the mission for him. He then spammed alliance chat over the next couple of days till i whispered the leader to boot him.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

29 Apr 2009 at 07:26 - 14

Wow, some people here are in some pretty shitty alliances. Think I understand my guilds reluctance to join one now. We don't have that kind of crap in the guild I'm in...

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

29 Apr 2009 at 07:34 - 15

I am sorry, but the stereotyping in this thread is insane!
I am NOT the new kid!

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

E/

29 Apr 2009 at 08:03 - 16

I aim for survivor everytime i play, but i never ask for people to do missions for me, i generally do them myself, its not hard NOT DYING. That kid would annoy me too.

Katyia

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

France

any

W/

29 Apr 2009 at 08:09 - 17

I did LS but the hard way I remember I also met this kind of people but I rather rage quit than do the mission for them

foo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

N/

29 Apr 2009 at 08:25 - 18

1. Find a new alliance.
2. Start telling people what you really think.

KrisNaga

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

29 Apr 2009 at 09:11 - 19

I don't see much point in helping other guild members unless your an officer because they don't thank you and they don't remember your name 10min later. Your better of playing the game for yourself and if someone asks for help then they should ask other people who are doing that mission.

Faure

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mystic Spiral [MYST]

R/

29 Apr 2009 at 10:17 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by foo

1. Find a new alliance.
2. Start telling people what you really think.

Agree^

This dude you're helping is not only a prick, he's lazy as well. There's no point in doing the mission for him. He asks for help, not for someone to play for him. If so he should ask for a runner, so people can anticipate to it and just reject if they don't want to. I have a few survivors in my guild as well, they ask for help regularly and I'm happy to join them on my monk to rise the challenge. But they do play themselves.
My guess is you don't hate survivors, you hate lazy people who are not willing to do anything to get something. Which is completely understandable.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

29 Apr 2009 at 10:25 - 21

If there's one thing in this game that I learned, then it is not to play someone else's game. I even tell real life friends to stop bugging me with their survivor crap.

Stolen Souls

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Apr 2009 at 11:35 - 22

People like that should get a title called "Coward", instead of "Survivor". How are you a "Survivor" if you avoid all your fights, and have others play your game for you? Likewise, the ones that do Killroy over and over should get "Grinder" instead of "Survivor". xD

When he asked to play his game for him I would have said I realized I had other things to do, and left. Being nice doesn't get you very far here, anyways.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

29 Apr 2009 at 11:35 - 23

Yeah i know how you feel we have people like that in our alliance. asking for runs everywhere, asking for 20+ questions,free stuff all the time. Now i dont mind helping people but after the 100 plus whine from the it gets on my nerves. worse 9/10 they never say thank you or when someone asks them for help they seem to be sooo busy.

i tried for survivor the "proper way" 3 girls tried all died at r1 or halfways to r2 due to lag.

then i tried it the cheap way with kilroy. and stupid me i was working on her during a weekend event and what do you know 80k ping spike and died.

*sigh* it seems every time i make a survivor lag makes me its B****.

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

N/Me

29 Apr 2009 at 12:57 - 24

OP: You are an enabler. The kid is getting alliance members to do the work for him. And when you stop, he'll probably leave for another guild where he can mooch some more. In your current situation, the way to stop this behavior is discuss it with an officer(s), and they can have a word with him. Or, you can just say, "sorry, I'm busy." Or you can give him tips on how to get survivor alone.

qvtkc

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

29 Apr 2009 at 14:03 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

This happens about once a day.

I'm standing in LA or Kam trying to hock whatever I have at the time for gold and someone in alliance chat will say "Can I have help on a mish?". I'm helpful, I'm nice and I like to help the new kids with the game so I tell them I'm on my way. When I get there they'll say "I'm going for survivor, so can you do the mish for me while I stand back and not die?"

Accept, then drag Togo/Rurik/etc into a death trap.

Konker2020

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

Exiled Forcez [Ex]

29 Apr 2009 at 14:44 - 26

It's people like these and the ones that farm Kilroy's and any other means of a simple survivor title that make my and many others hard-earned survivors (AKA the old fashioned way), look like nothing, now it seems like a useless title b/c every just farms them...

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

29 Apr 2009 at 15:08 - 27

I came across a Survivor in Unwaking waters the other day. He was on the other team that spawned on his own with H/H and told me once we started (I think had assumed he would get a hench party to help him and so could exit at quick notice) so i just told him to micro his heros and stay well back out the way until it was done.

I dont mind people like that and was glad to help but leachers just annoy the crap out of me and If i was the OP I would have told him to sod off.

I only got 1 survivor at the mo (lotsa deaths from stupidity though) and I did that in missions/quests with my H/H , nothing worse than ditching on a PuG becuase you might die.

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

29 Apr 2009 at 15:14 - 28

survivor is a title fooder for gwamm.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

29 Apr 2009 at 15:17 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

People like that should get a title called "Coward", instead of "Survivor". How are you a "Survivor" if you avoid all your fights, and have others play your game for you? Likewise, the ones that do Killroy over and over should get "Grinder" instead of "Survivor". xD

Exactly, but I would wait for them to go AFK then bring a group of monsters right to him and leave the mish.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

29 Apr 2009 at 17:14 - 30

I did LS with henchies and heroes b4 eotn came out it was pretty easy. People must suck in your alliance.

oracle.delphi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

ontario, canada

Steel Beasts

E/

29 Apr 2009 at 17:24 - 31

maybe you should change your post to why SOME people going for survivor annoy you. I am doing survivor on one char the good old fashioned way, ie playing the game not punchout. And while i may ask for help, i don't leech, I just warn the person helping me i may zone if I get too close to death, and I hang back a little bit, ie I'm not running up grabbing the aggro like a dork. So the people in your alliance are cheating...i mean that's even worse than the punchout, at least you have to do the punchout yourself.
but don't generalize not all survivor peeps are morons...honest

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

29 Apr 2009 at 17:50 - 32

I don't really care about LS at all, because to get it requires a specific mindset of play that deviates from the norm and (mostly) disrupts other people around you.

It wouldn't be so bad if the title were to get so much exp WITHOUT DYING IN ONE GO, but the fact it requires you to NOT DIE AT ALL puts player's fear factor into overdrive.

Then again, thank god for being able to be choosy with teams huh.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

29 Apr 2009 at 18:40 - 33

tell him to do the shit himself or else he doesn't need survivor title. survivor title isn't a title everyone else does for you, lmao. should have taken him on the 2nd mission and tried to kill him ;-)

Seraphim Angel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

Sacred Knights of Orr [SKoO]

P/

29 Apr 2009 at 19:04 - 34

Nice guys finnish last

I tell them if they can beat me 1v1 with that character ill help them out

. I hear yea it is VERY annoying at times. If i get the sense that they are trying to take advantage of my assistance I just tell them sorry im busy.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

29 Apr 2009 at 19:48 - 35

Survivor is the most disgusting title in the game, due to the terrible behavior it inspires out of people.

I suggest we change the title names for the different tiers.

Rank 1: "Survivor" : "Coward"
Rank 2: "Indomitable Survivor" : "I Can Run Very Fast From Battle"
Rank 3: "Legendary Survivor" : "I Lived Through The Searing And All The Charr Ever Saw Was My Butt"

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

29 Apr 2009 at 19:58 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

Survivor is a cool title, yeah.

I would dispute this.
F12+C.
Hurray.

Commander Kanen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

[DVDF]

P/

29 Apr 2009 at 22:59 - 37

IMO if you cant do it yourself without dying, you dont deserve the title. (unless it really isnt your bad like a 007)

But dont get other people to do stuff for you.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

29 Apr 2009 at 23:09 - 38

I've never seen the behavior described in the OP. =/

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

29 Apr 2009 at 23:18 - 39

All of this reminds me why I play with h/h. There is no way I'd risk my survivor on a random pug who may or may not have someone in it who's got a thing against people attempting the title. (I also don't display the title until its maxed out due to that paranoia).

Not farming it/leaching of others makes the game, and that title, more challenging.

free_fall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

29 Apr 2009 at 23:43 - 40

Sounds like you're more upset with selfish, lazy, inconsiderate people than Survivors, per se.

I would think that most of us get our titles the old-fashioned way - we earn them.

You don't usually encounter us in missions or quests because we tend to not play with other people.

My first W to get LS got it via hfff at Lutgardis. I figured that was ok since I'd managed to get him there; however, after having gotten LS on 2 other chars entirely on my own, I felt that getting it that way cheapened the title in my eyes, so I made another W and got the title by earning the XP myself, without anyone's help.

It's really not that hard to get the title using H&H, provided you play carefully. It simply takes a while. And when you're done, you feel that you actually did accomplish something.