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Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

02 May 2009 at 14:10 - 1

Today i was boring so i decide to take someone to run also for free.
I got a boy/girl to gunnar that ask a run to tarnished heaven and he/she pay 5k.
I don't ask to pay to outpost because i trust in people......and who would scam for only 5k?
So i run to tarnished and he/she put 5k and cancel the operation and leave the game. After i got it and i ask why (i don't need really the

So this is the answer

I wanna know your opinion

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

02 May 2009 at 14:13 - 2

Scammers/cheaters/hackers play games not so much to win, but rather to see you lose.

Helix Dreadlock

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

Imperial Sanctum

Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI]

E/Me

02 May 2009 at 14:47 - 3

Idk, but it is really sad. And I run Droks, I've gotten quite some scammers, but not too many lately. Although, I've been 1 step (litteraly) from Rankor and they zone back into Dreadnoughts Drift. Wich really makes me mad, because It takes probably 10 minutes to get there, and I have to do it all over again. So I just leave, and I spam that I wouldn't go with them (because he/she was the only one left alive), to beware the runners.

riktw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

netherlands

Mo/E

02 May 2009 at 14:53 - 4

got scammed for 500g once, 500g scam, funny guy lol

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

W/

02 May 2009 at 14:56 - 5

Not to be a jerk, but how long have you been a member of the human race?

People steal, scam, everything, be it in games or real life. People are degenerates. There's not much more to it. In a computer game it is anonymous, so there is even more detachment and less guilt, so even people who wouldn't do it in real life are tempted.

Taurean

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2009

South of Norway - The land of Vikings

I have no guild - Yet

R/

02 May 2009 at 15:05 - 6

Some poeple live to help others generally, some poeple live to make others look bad. Live with it, place yourself inside one of the two groups and stick by it.

scruffy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

canada

W/A

02 May 2009 at 15:08 - 7

imade lots of gold off of the casino roll scam way back in the day

Tramp

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

02 May 2009 at 15:13 - 8

It is a slow process of the breakdown of the moral fabric of society that can be traced to the rise of liberalism in the 1960's. Couple that with the anonyimty of the internet and the teenagers of today think nothing of ripping you off.

riceangel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2008

Floirda

[ASH]IGN: Tokyo Hina

W/E

02 May 2009 at 15:23 - 9

maybe i read it wrong but ur grammar was confusing, it sounds like you offered to run for free(according to ur 1st sentence), so how did they scam you when u said it was free,they didnt have to pay you

lord of all tyria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

02 May 2009 at 15:25 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tramp

It is a slow process of the breakdown of the moral fabric of society that can be traced to the rise of liberalism in the 1960's. Couple that with the anonyimty of the internet and the teenagers of today think nothing of ripping you off.

Damn liberals introducing crime to society!

BadgerznPie

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2008

Mo/

02 May 2009 at 15:40 - 11

People want money, and they want it easily. Simple. One of the ways to do that is prey on stupidity/ignorance/trust of others.

Necrosh

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2008

02 May 2009 at 15:57 - 12

people who cant get money by their own, are scammers.

DeBron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

MD

02 May 2009 at 16:17 - 13

for the lulz

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

02 May 2009 at 16:23 - 14

Only one thing to remember from this story: you made a "random act of kindness" (there used to be a section one this in the Scribe) and ty for that.

Let the poor guy continue his life with his 5k, whatever feeling that gives him. You're the one who should feel good for doing what you did, not feel bad for what he did.

Helix Dreadlock

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

Imperial Sanctum

Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI]

E/Me

02 May 2009 at 16:23 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeBron

for the lulz

+1 Comment anyone? But seriously, anyone who scams has psychological issues, emotional issues, or are born and raised to it. I'm not trying to fit anybody into a sterotype, but it's just a fact. My father has a saying "Poor People have Poor Ways"

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

02 May 2009 at 16:39 - 16

Simple. They want stuff the easy way.

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

R/

02 May 2009 at 16:40 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

......and who would scam for only 5k?

oh the amount of money seriously isnt important. they would scam for even 100g
I hope a lightning will hit internet connections of all scammers

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

02 May 2009 at 16:44 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeBron

for the lulz

Sadly, that is why most people do it. Very rarely do they really care so much about the money, and are completely unwilling to do it in any other way.

Oh, and +1 before close.

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

02 May 2009 at 16:56 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Not to be a jerk, but how long have you been a member of the human race?

People steal, scam, everything, be it in games or real life. People are degenerates. There's not much more to it. In a computer game it is anonymous, so there is even more detachment and less guilt, so even people who wouldn't do it in real life are tempted.

^This. If they can get away with it, they can. This has always been the shady side of running people. It's a trust/honor code issue. Plus, if the person truly only had 10k, then 5k would considerably cut his gold in half. 5k might seem little to you, but a lot to others.

"One man's trash is the next man's treasure; one man's pain is the next man's pleasure."

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

02 May 2009 at 16:59 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

A little question... why people try to scam?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

people

You've answered your own question. They're humans.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

02 May 2009 at 18:15 - 21

They have no honor.
When you die, all you leave behind is what you did in life.
They will die in shame.

My New Name

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

02 May 2009 at 18:20 - 22

People scam cuz they got no moral values and mostly just because they can get away with it.It was always like this and it will remain like that

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

W/

02 May 2009 at 18:36 - 23

There are 3 possible reasons: 1) lack of empathy. 2) misguided view on capitalism. 3) people being utter jerks. There really is no excuse for scamming and anyone who tries to justify it by "People should be more generous" or "people don't have any money" or any such things really get on my nerves >.<

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Not to be a jerk, but how long have you been a member of the human race?

People steal, scam, everything, be it in games or real life. People are degenerates. There's not much more to it. In a computer game it is anonymous, so there is even more detachment and less guilt, so even people who wouldn't do it in real life are tempted.

I'm gonna go a social scientific here: You are a realist.

A realist, in terms of social studies, is someone who look completely realistic on how the world is build up. A realist only describes the world as it is and try its hardest not to actually put in any ideas on how to improve it. The realists view on the world is often, not always, rather pessimistic. A descriptiv view on the world so to say.

It is opposed to the idealist who doesn't describe the world alone, but also adds visions to how it can be improved or illusions to how it is. An idealist would often in the eyes of a realist seem rather naive and childish for having these visions.

Where is my point? It's right here: It is realistic to think that idealism is the way forward. For example: A realist before the American revolution would say that the British will always own America where an idealist would demand change, which the realist would consider naive. What happened? Revolution. The idealist's vision had come true and a nation was born. If it was up to the realist that revolution would have never happened.

Conclusion: Cheer up my friend! Even though it seems impossible now, there is always a glimmer of hope for humanity XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

"One man's trash is the next man's treasure; one man's pain is the next man's pleasure."

Heard that one before. I really find the second half ofit creepy lol.

Please don't triple post. Thanks. - Earth.

Archress Shayleigh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2009

Guild Hall

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02 May 2009 at 19:26 - 24

That's just how people are. They USE you. They TRICK you. Never trust PuGs. As mentioned before- scammers don't play to win and enjoy; they play to tackle and mock. Some people are just twisted, which is why i have a character in pre-searing to try and help the GW players. At pre, people are "young". They are easily influenced. I try to make them better GW players.

Helix Dreadlock

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

Imperial Sanctum

Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI]

E/Me

02 May 2009 at 20:30 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archress Shayleigh

That's just how people are. They USE you. They TRICK you. Never trust PuGs. As mentioned before- scammers don't play to win and enjoy; they play to tackle and mock. Some people are just twisted, which is why i have a character in pre-searing to try and help the GW players. At pre, people are "young". They are easily influenced. I try to make them better GW players.

Kudos to you! That's the best thing to do! But you must realize most people don't buy Prophecies first and that it's just another character, and not their first. Plus, even though you can "influence" people, it doesn't change their morale values.

Brawn Over Brains

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

X Devils Rejects X

W/Mo

02 May 2009 at 22:11 - 26

I can answer this question with a Slipknot song.
People=Shit

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

02 May 2009 at 23:40 - 27

Because they fail.

Junato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2008

Between J&K spending time at the spacebar

Insert here

A/D

03 May 2009 at 00:46 - 28

Oh come on... There are many factors to why they scam here is the most popular theory.

Do you know about the win and lose concept? There are people who just want to win at everything and some video gamers these days has never won anything in life. In context, the people who have been told they are losers has that win and lose scenario in their head. So, they think in order to win someone has to lose making them a winner.

Hence, scammers are losers trying to win by making you lose. Why do you think when someone is called a loser they try to be a winner by making the other person lose something. In other words, you two fist fight.

KrisNaga

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

03 May 2009 at 09:19 - 29

I have done a few runs during the event for the keg run and before I go anyway I tell them I am recording them using fraps and tell them I want half the cash half way there and I haven't had any runners yet.
People who don't pay for a run are scum in my eyes and don't have the right to live, they are degenerates and have no honor or morals, they shouldn't even be able to play the game. So if I ever get a scammer during my run I will hassle support until there account gets banned which I have done already to one player for abusing my trust.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

03 May 2009 at 12:56 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Not to be a jerk, but how long have you been a member of the human race?

People steal, scam, everything, be it in games or real life. People are degenerates. There's not much more to it. In a computer game it is anonymous, so there is even more detachment and less guilt, so even people who wouldn't do it in real life are tempted.

If you're dealing with these kinds of people irl then you're hanging out with the wrong people.

To the OP: TBH, it's the internet and the way they were raised. There are no consequences so they feel they can do as they please and hurt anyone in their way.

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

03 May 2009 at 13:36 - 31

Scammers are usually little kids... they just don't want to have less money and sometimes they don't have their parents allowing them to play. Its to anonymous and easy to scam in GW. Support doesn't do enough to punish and in the end you won't get back anything anyways... I for one have been scammed several times in trade - true i should have known better and each time I have learned, but it doesn't make it any more right.

~Frostbyte~

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

06 May 2009 at 14:22 - 32

You have to beat them at their own game and stay alert. I learned the hard way and will never be scammed again. The oldest trick is when they do the switch on you in trade.

Scam me once, shame on you...scam me twice, shame on me.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

06 May 2009 at 15:45 - 33

Incompetent people scam. There are much quicker, honest ways to make money in GW than scamming.

Since these people (usually children) are failbots, scamming is the most efficient money-making method available. If they failed less, they wouldn't need to scam.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

06 May 2009 at 15:46 - 34

5k tarnish haven run from where is what i want to know.

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

E/

06 May 2009 at 15:58 - 35

Because they can? Because something in their own lives makes them miserable, and they try to get ahead by screwing other people over, which makes them feel better.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

06 May 2009 at 15:59 - 36

People scam because the scammees (?) allow them to. Use common sense in trading, and if you would have to trust eachother (like in OP's case), screenshot the stuff and send to Support if you got scammed.

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

06 May 2009 at 19:16 - 37

Be glad it's just 5k, it's not a big deal :]

and as to the why, i believe part of the it's due to being unknown to you, you don't know their identity outside of the game and can't hold anything on em with what they do, this seems to turn at least 50% of the humans to trash in online games....

and i'd just laugh this off, since i came back from a game where it was much worse really, small community and we even had spies in clans, people that would pretend to be someone else for a half a year just to steal some high end armor and clan leaders that manipulate and exploit their clannies...

In general i'd say to keep somewhat to yourself and friends + clannies, ofc try to make new friends but never give out to much trust in the start (if they're good ppl they will earn the trust first)

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

11 May 2009 at 06:23 - 38

Yes, but the good scammers also know that they have to earn people's trust to make the BIG score.

You can't trust anyone. You just pick the risks you're willing to take and live with them.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

11 May 2009 at 06:56 - 39

this discussion also won't take place if there's a marketplace

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

11 May 2009 at 07:01 - 40

Marketplace won't stop providers of services from getting scammed.