Perm banned for offensive names. (Had 3 violations total)
HOW offensive is offence, I just wanted the general concencus on some of my names. In my opinion, I didn't really deserve a perm ban, mainly because I didn't directly have any racial slurs (Not in an offensive way), nor did I specificly offend anyone with the intention of doing so...
Quoted from my PlayNC mail:
"The names in question are "Borat Vs The Blacks" and "Josef Fritzl". The context of the first name brings up Borat's racial discrimination while the second name references a man who raped his daughter for 24 years. Due to the violations committed by this account, it will remain closed. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block."
So these are the 2 names that got me my permanent ban, aswell as I remember having Dont Touch Me H I V.
HOW offensive are these names to you? Is there really people out there, and it's possible (In which case I apologize), that take offence to these names, nearly bringing them to tears watching it in a game.
This was my reply to NCSoft:
"Borat is my alias. If you guys weren't so blatantly lazy, you would have seen that ALL my PvP-toons are named ...Borat... I've been using that name for 2 years now, and never had an issue. So by saying: "Borat vs The Blacks", it might as well have been: "Niels vs The Blacks". (Real life name)
And if you want to call "vs The Blacks" racist, well, how about this:
If, in a high-school basketball match, the "white kids" want to play against the "black kids", because of an arguement black people ARE better basketball-players, should ALL the white kids go to jail for commiting racial crimes?"
Since when has simply calling out the black community, for either positive or negative reasons, become racial? So by simply TARGETTING the black community, you're now concidered a racist?
Aside from that hysterical screw-up on your part, HOW is the movie Borat racial-offending? Have ANY of PlayNC Support even seen it? Aside from some jokes towards the Kazachstanian people, aswell as the American and Jew community, he says NOTHING about black people whatsoever.
Even then, NONE of his jokes are that bad they "cross the line".
Secondly, the name Jozef Fritzl... HOW does this name deserve a permanent ban? How does this even deserve a temporarily ban?
It's JUST A NAME. Maybe we should start inventarising EVERY rapist that ever lived since the 1800's, and give a perm ban to EVERYONE who made a reference to them...
Since when is simply making a reference to someone concidered THAT offensive to recieve a perm ban?
Just because the media milked the story out like a dairy-cow, means it's now concidered a "oh-no-don't-say it"-word?
Once again, IT'S JUST A NAME". I'm not making any references to who or what he is, what he's done and wether or not I'm taking the piss out of it.
What I don't get it is, you're "trying to protect the GW community" by banning offensive names, have you even concidered the reality that for the past 6 months, the name Jozef Fritzl has been on every corner of the street in the whole world?
I'm so tired of all these NCSoft double standards, and it looks like I finally became the victim of your incompetence to uphold a reasonable amount of rules.
How offensive is offensive?
Killed u man
netniwk
good for you man
KrisNaga
Everyone has gone PC crazy and freedom of speech has gone out the window, however by doing this and 'protecting' the 'minorities' they are actually making people racist.
It has been going on for years now and in a few more there will be more racial hatred than ever.
I honestly don't care what names you have, you bought the game, so it should be your choice.
It has been going on for years now and in a few more there will be more racial hatred than ever.
I honestly don't care what names you have, you bought the game, so it should be your choice.
rabwatt
Sorry m8,
But to me it looks like you were deliberately trying to be contraversial....... and you got your fingers burnt.
Take the punishment and move on.
But to me it looks like you were deliberately trying to be contraversial....... and you got your fingers burnt.
Take the punishment and move on.
Shayne Hawke
I personally take no offense from those names. I can see where other people can find something to complain about in them, but to take offense to them?
I'm sure you will or have contacted support, and I hope they'll recognize your supposed "offenses" as unintentionally and restore your account. Again, not the first time that ANet has been stupid about offensive names. Perhaps that feature should be removed from /report so that people can't so easily dish out these complaints.
I'm sure you will or have contacted support, and I hope they'll recognize your supposed "offenses" as unintentionally and restore your account. Again, not the first time that ANet has been stupid about offensive names. Perhaps that feature should be removed from /report so that people can't so easily dish out these complaints.
Arduin
It doesn't matter how offensive the names are. If they are only marginable offensive, and you get reported, the name gets banned.
Of course, a name doesn't have to be offensive to be childish.
Of course, a name doesn't have to be offensive to be childish.
lilDeath
I don't personally have a problem with any of the names, since 'The Blacks' can easily be a rugby or cricket team from New Zealand too.
The other name is just looking for trouble, especially since seeing and being involved in some very heated discussions in Guilds about names containing Nazi / Hitler in them.
ANet have been putting notices up about their Naming policies for a few weeks now, so you should have been well aware of their stance.
You also appear to be a rather antagonistic (obnoxious?) individual, which is most likely just how you are.
Seems like you have finally pushed too far.
Oh well.
/shrug
The other name is just looking for trouble, especially since seeing and being involved in some very heated discussions in Guilds about names containing Nazi / Hitler in them.
ANet have been putting notices up about their Naming policies for a few weeks now, so you should have been well aware of their stance.
You also appear to be a rather antagonistic (obnoxious?) individual, which is most likely just how you are.
Seems like you have finally pushed too far.
Oh well.
/shrug
Yawgmoth
Another ridiculous case... none of the names are offensive at all, it's getting absurd really.
Mr. G
Shield your eyes, I'm activating my Aura of Righteousness.
Nice defence, however you didnt pick a rapist from 200 years ago, not even 100, not even 10.
Theres no way that character was named without it in mind. In fact you admit prior knowledge about it.
Judging by the "nice, polite" e-mail you sent to Anet your not the kind of person who would make these names as an accident. I'm gunna have to agree with Rabwatt here.
The blacks one I have no real problem with though, but I could understand why people might take offense. Perhaps if it wasnt for your previous record that might have just been a name change case.
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Secondly, the name Jozef Fritzl... HOW does this name deserve a permanent ban? How does this even deserve a temporarily ban? It's JUST A NAME. Maybe we should start inventarising EVERY rapist that ever lived since the 1800's, and give a perm ban to EVERYONE who made a reference to them... |
Theres no way that character was named without it in mind. In fact you admit prior knowledge about it.
Judging by the "nice, polite" e-mail you sent to Anet your not the kind of person who would make these names as an accident. I'm gunna have to agree with Rabwatt here.
The blacks one I have no real problem with though, but I could understand why people might take offense. Perhaps if it wasnt for your previous record that might have just been a name change case.
Abedeus
Think before making a name. And you really had to show off how you screwed yourself over?
Seriously. Seriously dude. You named a character the same as that horrible rapist that kept his own daughter imprisoned for 24 years, beating her up, raping and then he imprisoned his and his daughter's three children, and when one of them died in horrible pain, he burned his corpse on his own lawn.
You might as well name your character Ioseb Jughashvili and wonder why they banned you.
Seriously. Seriously dude. You named a character the same as that horrible rapist that kept his own daughter imprisoned for 24 years, beating her up, raping and then he imprisoned his and his daughter's three children, and when one of them died in horrible pain, he burned his corpse on his own lawn.
You might as well name your character Ioseb Jughashvili and wonder why they banned you.
refer
How offensive is offensive? Anything. Even if the person isn't offended they can still call it offensive.
Sir Skullcrasher
Glad I didn't make a character named Hi Hilter, might get me perm-ban too for it!
As for the OP, well you can either take the punishment or move on to a new game (since I'm sure that you won't be playing GW ever again after this) I don't know if emailing support again would help you since they stated in the reply email that they won't take any appeals for this case.
As for the OP, well you can either take the punishment or move on to a new game (since I'm sure that you won't be playing GW ever again after this) I don't know if emailing support again would help you since they stated in the reply email that they won't take any appeals for this case.
Zahr Dalsk
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Everyone has gone PC crazy and freedom of speech has gone out the window, however by doing this and 'protecting' the 'minorities' they are actually making people racist.
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As it is however, all the whining minorities are really doing is moving people against them. I'm hoping eventually it'll backfire.
Tyla
I don't give a shit, but I think that there should be something in Guild Wars that registers how much of a carebear you are to validate "insults".
Mr. G
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I really don't think the problem here is having an "edgy" name, however having 3...
I can't remember who said it, but we really need that "I got Banned" forum.
Faure
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Sorry m8,
But to me it looks like you were deliberately trying to be contraversial....... and you got your fingers burnt. Take the punishment and move on. |
Wise man was wise.
Sir Skullcrasher
folks, how many reports do we need to validate a ban? I mean could the OP only got reported once by one person and A-Net (for lack of proper finding) decided to ban right away on the three names?
I seriously doubt that MULITPLE peoples reported the names at once to A-Net support staffs about being offensive.
I seriously doubt that MULITPLE peoples reported the names at once to A-Net support staffs about being offensive.
Empress Amarox
"Offensive" is: Could a sensitive Puritan possibly find it offensive?
By Anet's definition.
By Anet's definition.
mastar of warrior
Agrees with most of above posts.
BUT...
think before making a new name.
and naming ur character Josef Fritzl, your asking for a ban.
as for the Borat name , they could still just change their minds and say that the ban was only for the Josef name..
cant say i feel sorry for you.
You got a brain! use it!
BUT...
think before making a new name.
and naming ur character Josef Fritzl, your asking for a ban.
as for the Borat name , they could still just change their minds and say that the ban was only for the Josef name..
cant say i feel sorry for you.
You got a brain! use it!
English Warrior
First of all the "Borat Vs The Blacks" shouldn't be offensive as there are many sporting clubs that use the name The Blacks, BUT "Josef Fritzl" u shud be banned for me i think you were making the name for attention seeking reasons but just think if u were held against ur own will and beaten and raped for 24 years then someone made a name of the person who did it on a game which is rated 12+ how would you feel?
Naphtali
While I personally am not offended by those names, I can easily understand if other people are.
You simply went to far and I hope for your own sake that you learned something from it.
Now stop bitching and move on, there are enough threads about people being banned around here.
You simply went to far and I hope for your own sake that you learned something from it.
Now stop bitching and move on, there are enough threads about people being banned around here.
ZenRgy
A++ very funny, would read again.
Abedeus
You know, there is a naming policy.
You don't respect it, you get banned.
Besides, if you name your character like a horrible monster in the form of a man, it means you either like him or wanted to be controversial.
if:
a) you like him - you deserve it. Don't go around talking that to other people, they might break your legs for it.
b) controversy? well, you went too far. I urge you to buy another copy. And name your main "Die Juden Die".
You don't respect it, you get banned.
Besides, if you name your character like a horrible monster in the form of a man, it means you either like him or wanted to be controversial.
if:
a) you like him - you deserve it. Don't go around talking that to other people, they might break your legs for it.
b) controversy? well, you went too far. I urge you to buy another copy. And name your main "Die Juden Die".
glacialphoenix
Maybe the Borat thing was stupid on their part, but naming your character Josef Fritzl was asking for it. =\
byteme!
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Maybe the Borat thing was stupid on their part, but naming your character Josef Fritzl was asking for it. =\
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Inde
I hate PC more then anyone, but you are clearly a smart guy and you are rationalizing the names.
Seriously? Have we lost all creativity that we have to try to be clever or witty by using current events, movies and more when creating a name? What happened to all of us geeks who came up with fantastic made-up names?! C'MON PEOPLE! All the creativity and imagination is not lost in the world. We can come up with better names surely.
Seriously? Have we lost all creativity that we have to try to be clever or witty by using current events, movies and more when creating a name? What happened to all of us geeks who came up with fantastic made-up names?! C'MON PEOPLE! All the creativity and imagination is not lost in the world. We can come up with better names surely.
Empress Amarox
P.S.
Sir Skullcrasher
Hi Inde!! 
Well, I wouldn't be surprise if some of our creative names is found offensive and banned.
Well, I wouldn't be surprise if some of our creative names is found offensive and banned.
Crassus Praetor
I think it's plain and clear for anyone of slight maturity that
those names will cause offence to someone at some point.
You should create names that you know won't offend or provoke anyone,
I don't see how you can argue against this and I agree entirely with the
punishment.
Even if the first name was half way acceptable, neither of the others were.
those names will cause offence to someone at some point.
You should create names that you know won't offend or provoke anyone,
I don't see how you can argue against this and I agree entirely with the
punishment.
Even if the first name was half way acceptable, neither of the others were.
Gli
Borat Vs The Blacks: versus implies an adversarial relationship based on race. Can't disagree with banning that name.
Josef Fritzl is a deliberate reference to a living real-life person. That's disallowed even without taking into account what the man did.
Three strikes and you're out.
Josef Fritzl is a deliberate reference to a living real-life person. That's disallowed even without taking into account what the man did.
Three strikes and you're out.
wazz
I believe Guy Gilbert once said something in the trend off (correct me if I'm wrong):
"I'm all okay with free speech. But the breaking with all taboos in the name of free speech as we see today (speaking about the Mohamed cartoon if I remember correctly) without taking anyone else in account is disgusting."
You might consider those names not offensive yourself, but I'm pretty sure you knew it would offend other people.
I don't really care about the names "don't touch me H I V" or "Borat VS the blacks"; but you would have had the stigma burned on you off troublemaker. About "Jozef Fritzl". Hrm, I consider that a step higher than the last 2.
Anet did the right thing, although I consider PERMA banning someone for his name pretty lame-ish. A ban of a couple of weeks -months + name change would have been more in place. At the other hand, it are multiple offensive names so... mhrm... I don’t know but maybe it was the right thing to do. It is a bit on the edge.
"I'm all okay with free speech. But the breaking with all taboos in the name of free speech as we see today (speaking about the Mohamed cartoon if I remember correctly) without taking anyone else in account is disgusting."
You might consider those names not offensive yourself, but I'm pretty sure you knew it would offend other people.
I don't really care about the names "don't touch me H I V" or "Borat VS the blacks"; but you would have had the stigma burned on you off troublemaker. About "Jozef Fritzl". Hrm, I consider that a step higher than the last 2.
Anet did the right thing, although I consider PERMA banning someone for his name pretty lame-ish. A ban of a couple of weeks -months + name change would have been more in place. At the other hand, it are multiple offensive names so... mhrm... I don’t know but maybe it was the right thing to do. It is a bit on the edge.
Kattar
Row row etc.
Name a guy Adolf Hitler. See how long that one lasts.
Diaf.
Name a guy Adolf Hitler. See how long that one lasts.
Diaf.
Kinlo
This:
You shouldn't try your luck picking names you know they can be seen as offensive by people.
You did try your luck, and see what you got yourself into.
~Kinlo
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Borat Vs The Blacks: versus implies an adversarial relationship based on race. Can't disagree with banning that name.
Josef Fritzl is a deliberate reference to a living real-life person. That's disallowed even without taking into account what the man did. Three strikes and you're out. |
You did try your luck, and see what you got yourself into.
~Kinlo
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Row row etc.
Name a guy Adolf Hitler. See how long that one lasts. Diaf. |
Sir Skullcrasher
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seem like we're getting more bans on offensive names than actual offensive contents or acts inside the game?
Mr. G
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Leek
In choosing those names you must have known that you may upset someone, looks like you did so suck it up and learn from it.
oh and IBL
oh and IBL
Kiva-chan
There's been an announcement as you login to the game for a while now.
It reads 'Review the naming policy.'
It reads 'Review the naming policy.'
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M1EK
It doesn't matter what your name actually is. If someone reports you, they ban you. I got banned for having the name of an actor.
I once was banned for saying "shit" in all chat. Last week someone in RA (who had just stomped us) decided to call us "cocky bitches" and got away unharmed.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seem like we're getting more bans on offensive names than actual offensive contents or acts inside the game?
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Coraline Jones
I think that anybody that bothers to come up with those names is trolling for unnecessary attention. Since you went and posted to GWG to so-called "protest" your subsequent ban, it certainly sounds like you are starved for attention.
I never did understand why people have a problem with bans based on inappropriate names. Anybody that makes a controversial name is obviously looking for the shock value, and somehow people think that being stupid on the Internet makes you the next Tony Clifton-type protege. Well if you did your research, then you'd know that Andy Kaufman was beaten up repeatedly for his antics, so don't act like you didn't have it coming.
I never did understand why people have a problem with bans based on inappropriate names. Anybody that makes a controversial name is obviously looking for the shock value, and somehow people think that being stupid on the Internet makes you the next Tony Clifton-type protege. Well if you did your research, then you'd know that Andy Kaufman was beaten up repeatedly for his antics, so don't act like you didn't have it coming.