How offensive is offensive?
Enon
My dear Niels - You should really upgrade your moral standard...
glacialphoenix
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Anet would have come down upon that for a character name like a ton of bricks, and I wouldn't disagree. I will agree that they can be overly sensitive (I remember a puzzled guy posting here wondering why he was tempbanned for "Uranus", which is, after all, a planet...), and maybe the OP's punishment was quite unexpected, but there are limits to character names.
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Yichi
no offense to the OP in this, but this will address anyone in which the naming policy addresses:
If you would just think about what you are naming your character to begin with, and try to have more maturity than a 6 year old, you won't have a problem. Everytime someone is banned it is because they try and make a stupid reference to something either racial, sexual, or offensive that the knowledge behind the name is clearly there and is clearly an attempt to try and be clever and make a non humorous situation or name funny, when clearly you are being an immature f**ktard...
If you would just think about what you are naming your character to begin with, and try to have more maturity than a 6 year old, you won't have a problem. Everytime someone is banned it is because they try and make a stupid reference to something either racial, sexual, or offensive that the knowledge behind the name is clearly there and is clearly an attempt to try and be clever and make a non humorous situation or name funny, when clearly you are being an immature f**ktard...
MrTickle
I got a ban for my pet being called 'Fluffy Woofy' he's a bl**k wolf WTF!!!
Shursh
none of them are offensive to me, but honestly - THINK before you make a name. you had to know that someone in-game would report you for it.
lewis91
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Originally Posted by mastar of warrior
Agrees with most of above posts.
BUT... think before making a new name. and naming ur character Josef Fritzl, your asking for a ban. as for the Borat name , they could still just change their minds and say that the ban was only for the Josef name.. cant say i feel sorry for you. You got a brain! use it! |
Kellogs
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
Perm banned for offensive names. (Had 3 violations total)
HOW offensive is offence, I just wanted the general concencus on some of my names. In my opinion, I didn't really deserve a perm ban, mainly because I didn't directly have any racial slurs (Not in an offensive way), nor did I specificly offend anyone with the intention of doing so... Quoted from my PlayNC mail: "The names in question are "Borat Vs The Blacks" and "Josef Fritzl". The context of the first name brings up Borat's racial discrimination while the second name references a man who raped his daughter for 24 years. Due to the violations committed by this account, it will remain closed. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block." So these are the 2 names that got me my permanent ban, aswell as I remember having Dont Touch Me H I V. HOW offensive are these names to you? Is there really people out there, and it's possible (In which case I apologize), that take offence to these names, nearly bringing them to tears watching it in a game. This was my reply to NCSoft: "Borat is my alias. If you guys weren't so blatantly lazy, you would have seen that ALL my PvP-toons are named ...Borat... I've been using that name for 2 years now, and never had an issue. So by saying: "Borat vs The Blacks", it might as well have been: "Niels vs The Blacks". (Real life name) And if you want to call "vs The Blacks" racist, well, how about this: If, in a high-school basketball match, the "white kids" want to play against the "black kids", because of an arguement black people ARE better basketball-players, should ALL the white kids go to jail for commiting racial crimes?" Since when has simply calling out the black community, for either positive or negative reasons, become racial? So by simply TARGETTING the black community, you're now concidered a racist? Aside from that hysterical screw-up on your part, HOW is the movie Borat racial-offending? Have ANY of PlayNC Support even seen it? Aside from some jokes towards the Kazachstanian people, aswell as the American and Jew community, he says NOTHING about black people whatsoever. Even then, NONE of his jokes are that bad they "cross the line". Secondly, the name Jozef Fritzl... HOW does this name deserve a permanent ban? How does this even deserve a temporarily ban? It's JUST A NAME. Maybe we should start inventarising EVERY rapist that ever lived since the 1800's, and give a perm ban to EVERYONE who made a reference to them... Since when is simply making a reference to someone concidered THAT offensive to recieve a perm ban? Just because the media milked the story out like a dairy-cow, means it's now concidered a "oh-no-don't-say it"-word? Once again, IT'S JUST A NAME". I'm not making any references to who or what he is, what he's done and wether or not I'm taking the piss out of it. What I don't get it is, you're "trying to protect the GW community" by banning offensive names, have you even concidered the reality that for the past 6 months, the name Jozef Fritzl has been on every corner of the street in the whole world? I'm so tired of all these NCSoft double standards, and it looks like I finally became the victim of your incompetence to uphold a reasonable amount of rules. |
turbo234
Some people just need to suck it up this is getting ridiculous with all the reporting for names. While I do agree that josef was a bit much, I doubt it actually offended whoever reported you. Same with the others.
Some guy threatened to report the name "Naruto is Lame" because he said Naruto is awesome. Whatever, I didn't even argue with him he was just arguing with the name really.
Seriously guild wars is full of childish names like mine and that's where some of the fun comes from. A while back I remember this warrior named something like "The Naked Warrior"(I know, a name in a thread. My bad) in Random Arenas who would use Starburst and run around with no armor. Names are part of the fun in the game and Anet seems to be taking that away. Honestly, soon we'll all just be naming our character's Fred and Billy, and still some how getting reported.
Some guy threatened to report the name "Naruto is Lame" because he said Naruto is awesome. Whatever, I didn't even argue with him he was just arguing with the name really.
Seriously guild wars is full of childish names like mine and that's where some of the fun comes from. A while back I remember this warrior named something like "The Naked Warrior"(I know, a name in a thread. My bad) in Random Arenas who would use Starburst and run around with no armor. Names are part of the fun in the game and Anet seems to be taking that away. Honestly, soon we'll all just be naming our character's Fred and Billy, and still some how getting reported.
Shadowhaze
I agree with most everyone else.
The second name one was quite a stupid and disgusting thing to name a character especially since you admittedly named it after that person it seems.
And as others have said, think before you name a char and don't try to be "cool", you'll only fail miserably and it's your own doing.
The second name one was quite a stupid and disgusting thing to name a character especially since you admittedly named it after that person it seems.
And as others have said, think before you name a char and don't try to be "cool", you'll only fail miserably and it's your own doing.
wilebill
We live in a world that is very sensitive to anything that seems to promote "hate" however that is defined at the moment's whim.
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf go here and learn the latest from Homeland Security, just out today.
Be careful not to name your character something like Leaderless Resistance or you may not only get perma banned from GW but also find yourself in Gitmo getting the snot beat out of you with rubber hoses by dim-witted guards!
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf go here and learn the latest from Homeland Security, just out today.
Be careful not to name your character something like Leaderless Resistance or you may not only get perma banned from GW but also find yourself in Gitmo getting the snot beat out of you with rubber hoses by dim-witted guards!
Rhamia Darigaz
i am personally offended by both of those names and am very happy that i know you wont be offending all of those guild wars players.
Borat Vs The Blacks: this one goes without saying. you said the word blacks, wtf you bigot, thats the most blatant display of racism and stereotyping blacks that i have ever seen, you should be thanking the almighty and merciful God that you aren't being charged with a hate crime and sentenced to 5 years in jail with your new cell mate/butt buddy Bubba, a 250 pound 6'7" black man who plays guild wars and has seen your hateful, offensive name in game.
Josef Fritzl: wtf you idiot saying Josef Fritzl is like saying Voldemort. seriously are you that ignorant? every time you say his name he finds another daughter to rape for 24 years so writing it down is like saying you want infinite daughters to be raped by him for 24 years. you should be charged with infinite counts of 24 year daughter-rape because you are the reason he committed those crimes! seriously how could you do something so morally repugnant and still defend the allegedly non-offensive nature of this name!
and there you have it. i have just objectively and definitively proven that both of those names are inherently Offensive and therefore worthy of punishment. if you can't see that this is the Truth you're probably as bad as those damn neck-bearded monkey-humping atheists.
Borat Vs The Blacks: this one goes without saying. you said the word blacks, wtf you bigot, thats the most blatant display of racism and stereotyping blacks that i have ever seen, you should be thanking the almighty and merciful God that you aren't being charged with a hate crime and sentenced to 5 years in jail with your new cell mate/butt buddy Bubba, a 250 pound 6'7" black man who plays guild wars and has seen your hateful, offensive name in game.
Josef Fritzl: wtf you idiot saying Josef Fritzl is like saying Voldemort. seriously are you that ignorant? every time you say his name he finds another daughter to rape for 24 years so writing it down is like saying you want infinite daughters to be raped by him for 24 years. you should be charged with infinite counts of 24 year daughter-rape because you are the reason he committed those crimes! seriously how could you do something so morally repugnant and still defend the allegedly non-offensive nature of this name!
and there you have it. i have just objectively and definitively proven that both of those names are inherently Offensive and therefore worthy of punishment. if you can't see that this is the Truth you're probably as bad as those damn neck-bearded monkey-humping atheists.
Enon
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Originally Posted by turbo234
Names are part of the fun in the game and Anet seems to be taking that away. Honestly, soon we'll all just be naming our character's Fred and Billy, and still some how getting reported.
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Be creative and create your own character with a name that fits him or her. And for the love of God, please use some common sense when creating a name...
By the way: Don't whine when you get banned for naming your character after a man who did something terrible, moron.
garethporlest18
Well clearly it says you shouldn't name characters after a real life person who caused distress, which your Jozef most likely caused a great deal of distress so I can understand that one.
Borat Vs The Blacks, isn't offensive, but that VS part probably made some of the white zealots rage. Because you see, there are lot of white people who think if you even mention black or anything relating to that race or culture, that you are a racist. I think it's because something in their brain is broken, but I'm not sure. It's very annoying and disgusting though and I would love to smack every one of them.
The funny part about Rhamia up there is people are actually like that I'm starting to suspect.
Also yeah you guys really need to just make your characters names some hippy happy rainbow fairy fantasy names. You should know by now that anything referencing anything G rated, will be banned.
Borat Vs The Blacks, isn't offensive, but that VS part probably made some of the white zealots rage. Because you see, there are lot of white people who think if you even mention black or anything relating to that race or culture, that you are a racist. I think it's because something in their brain is broken, but I'm not sure. It's very annoying and disgusting though and I would love to smack every one of them.
The funny part about Rhamia up there is people are actually like that I'm starting to suspect.
Also yeah you guys really need to just make your characters names some hippy happy rainbow fairy fantasy names. You should know by now that anything referencing anything G rated, will be banned.
thedarkmarine
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Originally Posted by Gli
Borat Vs The Blacks: versus implies an adversarial relationship based on race. Can't disagree with banning that name.
Josef Fritzl is a deliberate reference to a living real-life person. That's disallowed even without taking into account what the man did. Three strikes and you're out. |
Additionally, from your attitude, you seem like the type of person whose actions attract reports.
M1EK
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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix
I remember reading an article on - I think it was a cake shop that refused to write "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a kid's birthday cake. Yes, the poor kid was named Adolf Hitler. Everyone thought his parents were nuts - I forget what the sister was named but it was Aryan something-or-the-other.
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P.S. "Adolf Hitler" contains words that are restricted.
Malice Black
Got what you deserved. The Austrian guy who raped his daughter etc that's just too RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up to joke about.
Normally I'd say funny names are funny, but that is wayyyy below the belt. I'm not one of the PC brigade by any means, but yeah seriously not cool.
Anet 1 Geek 0
Bout time Anet scored tbh
I heard they like your type here..
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml
Normally I'd say funny names are funny, but that is wayyyy below the belt. I'm not one of the PC brigade by any means, but yeah seriously not cool.
Anet 1 Geek 0
Bout time Anet scored tbh
I heard they like your type here..
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml
Rhamia Darigaz
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Originally Posted by Enon
No no, you're wrong. The community itself is taking it away by creating ridiculous (and offensive) names.
Be creative and create your own character with a name that fits him or her. And for the love of God, please use some common sense when creating a name... By the way: Don't whine when you get banned for naming your character after a man who did something terrible, moron. |
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz
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You need to grow up just as much as some others do.
Angelina Collins
the op is a loser, with no creativity, he deserves what he got, and it's not due to the fact of whether the names were offensive or even a little offensive, it's due to the fact that the op challenged the system. When you do that, you better do it in a very creative sneaky way, or you are going to get burnt.
As for Anet, they have freedom of speech as long as the company opporates in the USA, but as consumers using their product, you have to abide by there rules, so freedom of speech does not exist for you inside the game.
Best rule of thumb, just follow the rules, if you feel your name may sound offensive, chances are it is. If you create a name and at the time did not realize it had some offensive content, learn from the experience, and let anet know it, be sincere. Otherwise they are just going to assume that your one of the million of players who simply try and bypass the system, and they will treat you accordingly, as just another number.
As for Anet, they have freedom of speech as long as the company opporates in the USA, but as consumers using their product, you have to abide by there rules, so freedom of speech does not exist for you inside the game.
Best rule of thumb, just follow the rules, if you feel your name may sound offensive, chances are it is. If you create a name and at the time did not realize it had some offensive content, learn from the experience, and let anet know it, be sincere. Otherwise they are just going to assume that your one of the million of players who simply try and bypass the system, and they will treat you accordingly, as just another number.
Quantisha
How offensive is offensive?
Try this website to help determine the answer:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...ing_policy.php
Reference certain real-life people that may cause distress (e.g. Hitler).
That sounds about right.
Try this website to help determine the answer:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...ing_policy.php
Reference certain real-life people that may cause distress (e.g. Hitler).
That sounds about right.
I pwnd U
I have to agree with ANet on the ban. The Borat vs The Blacks isn't as bad as Josef Fritzl. As others have said that is completely uncalled for. It isn't even funny to joke about.
Also, to all the people that have said they got banned for doing this and that, I have learned to take what they say with a grain of salt. Many times that is not the whole story but rather the part that makes them sound like the victim.
Also, to all the people that have said they got banned for doing this and that, I have learned to take what they say with a grain of salt. Many times that is not the whole story but rather the part that makes them sound like the victim.
Shadowhaze
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Originally Posted by Enon
No no, you're wrong. The community itself is taking it away by creating ridiculous (and offensive) names.
Be creative and create your own character with a name that fits him or her. [And for the love of God, please use some common sense when creating a name... By the way: Don't whine when you get banned for naming your character after a man who did something terrible, moron. |
Exactly, though sadly that seems to be something that seems to be lacking in today's society.
Rocky Raccoon
You play with fire, you get burned. If you have idea that a name could be offensive, don't use it.
axe
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Originally Posted by Kiva-chan
There's been an announcement as you login to the game for a while now.
It reads 'Review the naming policy.' Quote: We do not permit names that: * Have offensive racial, ethnic, or national connotations. * Reference sexual acts or real life violence. * Are pornographic. * Make inappropriate references to human anatomy or bodily functions. * Reference illegal drugs or activities. * Reference major religious figures. * Reference certain real-life people that may cause distress (e.g. Hitler). |
They CLEARLY have a case against you, but.....
Let the punishment fit the crime?? I mean I don't see a reason to permanently ban someone for this. If the abuse continues thereafter than more drastic measures are obviously needed.
This game needs community service, like if you get banned you can come back early if you do community service like here is a good punishment, log in for 12 hours straight and farm Juni Berries and sell them to the merchant.
Seriously though I think perma-ban is too much, a ban of some sort would be appropriate though, and a flagged account such that if it were reported again, and again, with WARNINGS to the player, "your next offense will result in a permanent ban" would be sufficient to come down and perma-ban is a little harsh IMO, also I am giving the poster the benefit of the doubt that he was never previously banned or /reported.
Empress Amarox
Actually, WoW's naming policy is much harsher than Anet's...
But on topic, it's understandable when names are something that is so vaguely offensive that nobody would ever even suspect it. But when you actually make names to offend people then complain? You're the kinda person they should be banning...
But on topic, it's understandable when names are something that is so vaguely offensive that nobody would ever even suspect it. But when you actually make names to offend people then complain? You're the kinda person they should be banning...
M1EK
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There's been an announcement as you login to the game for a while now.
It reads 'Review the naming policy.' |
Captain Bulldozer
It seems to me that both names are clearly intended to be offensive. For "Borat vs The Blacks" you may be able to find a defense against its clearly racial context, but then you could find a similar defense for the name "Adolf is my Friend." Just because the name MAY have a possibly non-offensive meaning (perhaps you really do have a friend named Adolf) you should understand that context isn't clear to anyone but you (and perhaps your friend Adolf), so anyone in game reading it will recognize the more obvious meaning. So, in other words, if you're too stupid to realize that your name is offensive (which I doubt was the case here) that doesn't excuse you from being a dumshit. Next time you name a character, try to grow up a lot and stop giving guild wars players a bad name.
Verene
So basically you broke the rules and are complaining that you got punished for it.
Grow up, would you?
I'll never understand people who purposely pick controversial names and then get annoyed when they get in trouble for it. It reminds me of the little kids who've just learned a new swear word and use it every chance they can get while giggling madly because they're being 'bad', but then whine and complain when they get in trouble when they're caught.
Grow up, would you?
I'll never understand people who purposely pick controversial names and then get annoyed when they get in trouble for it. It reminds me of the little kids who've just learned a new swear word and use it every chance they can get while giggling madly because they're being 'bad', but then whine and complain when they get in trouble when they're caught.
Nodakim
By the new "Naming policy",every name that contains:Skullcrasher,stoner,weed,killer etc
should be banned.
Hey,killing is an illegal act in real life....
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VGG
About his ban,probably deserved a 24 hour ban,not perma ban.
should be banned.
Hey,killing is an illegal act in real life....
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VGG
About his ban,probably deserved a 24 hour ban,not perma ban.
Songbringer
sorry while I don't find offense to them they obviously do have a maybe subconcious undertone to them calling out the "black community" and if you were trying to start crap then yes you deserve the ban. Temp banned 3 times and you don't stop making names that are "calling out" the black community sorry I don't feel bad for you.
Apollo Smile
OH BOY another I was banned thread!
For the last time, if you have to question whether its offensive or not, its better to play is safe and not use it at all.
For the last time, if you have to question whether its offensive or not, its better to play is safe and not use it at all.
REDdelver
One thing you should learn from this other than to think out your names....is to wait until you had time to think this through before you reply a letter like that to ANET that basically holds your nuts in their hands.
Yea people jump in are proud of you telling them off....so what. Fight the power doesnt mean just shove your angry thoughts in the face of the "hand" that holds you.
If you think for one moment that your reply letter would do any good or help you get your name back/acct unbanned.....im sorry, but you arent thinking things over at all. Only thing you did was express your emotions and dig a larger whole. Your reply was not well thought at ALLL.
ANY TIME YOU TARGET a group of people....that pretty much defines being racist or at least ignorant.
You have to remember what you see in your words doesnt mean that other people will see the same.
If someone was serious about praising for being a smart guy(i hope they were being facetious). Maybe you are smart guy, i have no clue. Heres the thing, the names were not a smart decision. Your (tone in the) reply letter was not a smart decision. Wish you best of luck.
Yea people jump in are proud of you telling them off....so what. Fight the power doesnt mean just shove your angry thoughts in the face of the "hand" that holds you.
If you think for one moment that your reply letter would do any good or help you get your name back/acct unbanned.....im sorry, but you arent thinking things over at all. Only thing you did was express your emotions and dig a larger whole. Your reply was not well thought at ALLL.
ANY TIME YOU TARGET a group of people....that pretty much defines being racist or at least ignorant.
You have to remember what you see in your words doesnt mean that other people will see the same.
If someone was serious about praising for being a smart guy(i hope they were being facetious). Maybe you are smart guy, i have no clue. Heres the thing, the names were not a smart decision. Your (tone in the) reply letter was not a smart decision. Wish you best of luck.
A11Eur0
Sorry but I'll side with Anet. You were obviously trying to stir the pot. Of all the names you could have come up with and had fun with, you had to make (at least) three characters that are guaranteed to get a rise out of someone. I'd like to know what your other characters were named...probably just as offensive.
Borat vs the Blacks: Borat's entire spiel was full of intolerance towards other ethnicities. Just because the movie didn't target Afro-Americans doesn't mean anything...Borat became popular because of his controversial comments degrading other ethnicities, religions, and women. Therefore, you imply a racial discrimination against blacks by putting the two together. Justified.
Josef Fritzl. A world-notorious incestual rapist. Yeah, 'nuff said.
Dont Touch Me H I V: another obvious attempt to get attention. 1: It's offensive to those infected by HIV by assuming, and spreading the misinformation, that HIV can be spread merely by skin-to-skin contact, which is blatantly false and is the basis for a lot of crimes committed towards HIV victims in the past. They find it hard enough to live a normal life without tardlets like you walking around in a Global video game spreading this kind of irresponsible misinformation.
Find a new game, I'll be glad to not have you cluttering up my chat box with your attention-seeking insults.
Borat vs the Blacks: Borat's entire spiel was full of intolerance towards other ethnicities. Just because the movie didn't target Afro-Americans doesn't mean anything...Borat became popular because of his controversial comments degrading other ethnicities, religions, and women. Therefore, you imply a racial discrimination against blacks by putting the two together. Justified.
Josef Fritzl. A world-notorious incestual rapist. Yeah, 'nuff said.
Dont Touch Me H I V: another obvious attempt to get attention. 1: It's offensive to those infected by HIV by assuming, and spreading the misinformation, that HIV can be spread merely by skin-to-skin contact, which is blatantly false and is the basis for a lot of crimes committed towards HIV victims in the past. They find it hard enough to live a normal life without tardlets like you walking around in a Global video game spreading this kind of irresponsible misinformation.
Find a new game, I'll be glad to not have you cluttering up my chat box with your attention-seeking insults.
Nodakim
Today,everything is racist.
Not showing black people on show=racist,showing a lot of black people on shows=racist,showing the "correct" precentage of black in people in a show(so the same precentage of black people on a show and the percentage of black people in the country)=incredibly racist...
Saying accidently black people in my post too many times is also racist.
Not showing black people on show=racist,showing a lot of black people on shows=racist,showing the "correct" precentage of black in people in a show(so the same precentage of black people on a show and the percentage of black people in the country)=incredibly racist...
Saying accidently black people in my post too many times is also racist.
ShadowsRequiem
Got what you deserved
A11Eur0
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Today,everything is racist.
Not showing black people on show=racist,showing a lot of black people on shows=racist,showing the "correct" precentage of black in people in a show(so the same precentage of black people on a show and the percentage of black people in the country)=incredibly racist... Saying accidently black people in my post too many times is also racist. |
There's a difference between Blacks looking for a lack of representation, and someone actively targeting them outright. This case is one of the latter variety.
Borat X
Ranger spike is no longer over powered.
Shadow Kurd
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Sorry m8,
But to me it looks like you were deliberately trying to be contraversial....... and you got your fingers burnt. Take the punishment and move on. |
Why did you choose those names anyway? Were they suppose to be funny? Were they suppose to give you attention or were you just challenging the naming policy?
Sleeper Service
twat.
won't be missing you OR this crybaby in disguise thread either.
won't be missing you OR this crybaby in disguise thread either.
Apollo Smile
In the OP's defense I doubt whoever reported it was actually offended by it. Since the name policy has been brought to light more recently, alot of people have become "offended by everything" out of spite. How much you want to bet there are a few disgruntled individuals going around LOOKING for things to report.