Slow Morostov Trail Vanquish Runs with DiscordWay
Danax
Hi, me (Ranger) and a friend (Dervish) are using 2 man discord team (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...Man_Discordway) to vanquish morostov trail for kurzick faction. We both use assasins promise, you move like a dwarf, and ebon sin to call and quickly strike down enemies. The heroes use the exact builds in the link. We even use a essence of celerity. But we cant seem to beat 40 minutes per vanquish for that area even with our killing speed! Are we doing something wrong? We seem to take an okay path, but we're not sure of the best one
Killed u man
I think discord is rather slow... When you see people post these "fast" time, I think they use a 8 man party with specialized builds.
As in, have SF tanks and RoJ take on different parts of the map at the same time (Kinda like Underworld Speed clear).
Hence, with H/H, you will often take up to twice as long, because U can't split and do everything 3x as fast...
As in, have SF tanks and RoJ take on different parts of the map at the same time (Kinda like Underworld Speed clear).
Hence, with H/H, you will often take up to twice as long, because U can't split and do everything 3x as fast...
Hengis
I've been doing Discord runs on the other side of the map in Qunkai, and found that going necro secondary on my Ranger with Mark of Pain and Barbs with 12 curses makes for some rather nice screen fulls of damage numbers and tends to drop things pretty quickly.
Also have Barrage, Ebon Vanguard Assassin, Summon Ruby Djinn, By Urals Hammer and a Pet.
Only just over a million Luxon to go.. Then I'll probably be looking for a Kurzick Guild LOL.
Also have Barrage, Ebon Vanguard Assassin, Summon Ruby Djinn, By Urals Hammer and a Pet.
Only just over a million Luxon to go.. Then I'll probably be looking for a Kurzick Guild LOL.
Rajabonedancer
DiscordWay = Good build, but the run is SLOW! 
Ariena Najea
I'm assuming the Discord team you are referring to is the PvX one found here:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam
If this is the case, you should make several adjustments. For one thing, the hero setup is not meant to be "doubled" by another player. You can significantly increase the utility (and offensive power) by further specializing each hero. I'd suggest running the following:
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Protective Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Extinguish][Spotless Mind][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Barbs][Mark of Pain][Weaken Armor][Defile Flesh][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Recovery][Protective was Kaolai][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Warding (PvE)][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Shadow][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Recovery][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]
It has worked wonders for me in the 8 man areas, with one of the players zoning out even.
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam
If this is the case, you should make several adjustments. For one thing, the hero setup is not meant to be "doubled" by another player. You can significantly increase the utility (and offensive power) by further specializing each hero. I'd suggest running the following:
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Protective Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Extinguish][Spotless Mind][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Barbs][Mark of Pain][Weaken Armor][Defile Flesh][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Recovery][Protective was Kaolai][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Warding (PvE)][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Shadow][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Recovery][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]
It has worked wonders for me in the 8 man areas, with one of the players zoning out even.
alluring athena
Discordway is not all that and a bag of chips like so many claim it is
In most places its extremely effective.
However there are many areas and places where its slow going or even doesn't work at all
In most places its extremely effective.
However there are many areas and places where its slow going or even doesn't work at all
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Danax
Longasc
You should take a Curse Necro with Mark of Pain along. Rangers and Ranger heroes with 10 in Channeling for Splinter Weapon will also speed things up, especially in Morostov with lots of foes.
Danax
Okay, Im thinking that this could be the setup:
Me: R/Rt Splinter Barrage
[Me;OggkchZcoIq0iBGjqxuoN5bZxxFD]
Friend: D/A Assasins Promise Dervish for Discord
[Friend;OAcR4ZaBymcXMmEAAAAAAAA]
Heroes:
2 R/Rt Splinter Barrage (Undediced whether to take Favourable Winds)
[Rangers;OggkchZcoIqziBjhdeMqGvZx5iB]
1 SS Necro w/ mark of pain/barbs
[Curses;OAhkYgHcoIqTewSI0KDVVvJGL5C]
The 3 remaining heroes...Im not sure how to balance both heals and damage/minions.
I know maybe:
[necro 1;OAhjUoGYIPxsjaGbYO5kmjzLG]
[necro 2;OAhkUwG4RFmTM7oaHQEDTpJ1+iB]
Swapping out recovery/shadow of fear...
[necro 3;OANUUYD2qXSxMKgVBoB1DBEGNTfA]
But, I'd like each discord necro to maybe have putrid pile, signet of lost souls if possible
Me: R/Rt Splinter Barrage
[Me;OggkchZcoIq0iBGjqxuoN5bZxxFD]
Friend: D/A Assasins Promise Dervish for Discord
[Friend;OAcR4ZaBymcXMmEAAAAAAAA]
Heroes:
2 R/Rt Splinter Barrage (Undediced whether to take Favourable Winds)
[Rangers;OggkchZcoIqziBjhdeMqGvZx5iB]
1 SS Necro w/ mark of pain/barbs
[Curses;OAhkYgHcoIqTewSI0KDVVvJGL5C]
The 3 remaining heroes...Im not sure how to balance both heals and damage/minions.
I know maybe:
[necro 1;OAhjUoGYIPxsjaGbYO5kmjzLG]
[necro 2;OAhkUwG4RFmTM7oaHQEDTpJ1+iB]
Swapping out recovery/shadow of fear...
[necro 3;OANUUYD2qXSxMKgVBoB1DBEGNTfA]
But, I'd like each discord necro to maybe have putrid pile, signet of lost souls if possible
zwei2stein
Favorable winds will slow you down, heroes will cast em at beginning of encounter instead of barraging group.
Since you have 4 physicals (derv not meeleing is waste!) you will also gain some mileage from orders.
you can move enfeebling blood from necro 2 to ss (ancestor's rage is armor affected, waste in hm.) and try how OoP fares instead of discording.
Since you have 4 physicals (derv not meeleing is waste!) you will also gain some mileage from orders.
you can move enfeebling blood from necro 2 to ss (ancestor's rage is armor affected, waste in hm.) and try how OoP fares instead of discording.
Luminarus
Drop the SS for another Discorder, mebbe give him orders. Drop the Splinter Barrages for more discord. And go BHA + Splinter Volley on urself. Once running discordway, more discord only adds power.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
Drop the SS for another Discorder, mebbe give him orders. Drop the Splinter Barrages for more discord. And go BHA + Splinter Volley on urself. Once running discordway, more discord only adds power.
Umm, "lolno"
4 discords is max anyone should be running, more discord is totally pointless and redundant.
4 discords is max anyone should be running, more discord is totally pointless and redundant.
Longasc
Instead of FW, you can take Throw Dirt. I never tried Ancestor's Rage, I would have picked Whirling Defense. But I am usually running high Expertise and play the Curse Necro myself. This has the advantage that the Rangers actually shoot on Mark of Pain when its placed. 
I personally do not like Discord builds, people already mentioned it, they work reliably almost everywhere, but this does not mean that they are optimal in any area.
As you might have guessed, I am all about a Curse Necro, a MM and Rangers.
I personally do not like Discord builds, people already mentioned it, they work reliably almost everywhere, but this does not mean that they are optimal in any area.
As you might have guessed, I am all about a Curse Necro, a MM and Rangers.
Snow Bunny
Make sure you have Finish Him. The Deep Wound will help.
cataphract
Dark Paladin X
Discord= epic fail
If you want to wipe things quickly, I suggest bringing a MM, some nuker, and two Unyielding Aura monks
If you want to wipe things quickly, I suggest bringing a MM, some nuker, and two Unyielding Aura monks
dr love
naw discord is pro. dont bring anything over 1s cast except summon minions. bring fallback and maybe charge to speed boost
Vires Invictae
Discordway works well for morostav vanquishing as there's very few enemies there with hex/condition removal. Discordway isn't an end-all answer to everything, it just works rediculously well in most areas because of bad monster bars.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4237/gw098u.jpg
A friend and I, both mesmers, average 24 minutes using an essence and practically pvxwiki's hero builds. On my solo runs with just me and 6 discord heroes and an essence, it is about 27 minutes per run. Haven't tried it without essence yet because I have a lot of money to burn, and I don't believe my route is 100% optimal yet.
Its only slightly slower faction gain than DTSC, but it avoids the troubles that come with pugging. I'm fine with that.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4237/gw098u.jpg
A friend and I, both mesmers, average 24 minutes using an essence and practically pvxwiki's hero builds. On my solo runs with just me and 6 discord heroes and an essence, it is about 27 minutes per run. Haven't tried it without essence yet because I have a lot of money to burn, and I don't believe my route is 100% optimal yet.
Its only slightly slower faction gain than DTSC, but it avoids the troubles that come with pugging. I'm fine with that.
Coney
The thing I find (or assume is) appealing about the 3 team split SC farms is that groups consist of 2 or 3 players, thus the drops are much better...
I'm hard pressed to waste an essence per run just to drop my 20k (80k) faction farm times from 40 to ~30 minutes H/H... I guess it's not really that expensive, and I should - but I've horded 25 essences and like a miser, hate to use them on anything other than last-ditch efforts (e.g. EotN dungeons when I keep dieing - still have 5 to complete for max EotN title - sans slavers HM[won't need])...
I'm hard pressed to waste an essence per run just to drop my 20k (80k) faction farm times from 40 to ~30 minutes H/H... I guess it's not really that expensive, and I should - but I've horded 25 essences and like a miser, hate to use them on anything other than last-ditch efforts (e.g. EotN dungeons when I keep dieing - still have 5 to complete for max EotN title - sans slavers HM[won't need])...
Trader of Secrets
I did 40min max using all heroes, 4 discord, 1 E/Rt healer, 1 RoJ. I wouldve gone all discord but my friends account lacks the proper camps. I would either run Dslash or caller and either use armor or essence.
Thing I notice with ppl using discord callers is that some ppl dont take out the right guy first. If the group(s) have a few healers around they may out heal the discord spams and ur caller will hav weak arsenal for a good few seconds.
Thing I notice with ppl using discord callers is that some ppl dont take out the right guy first. If the group(s) have a few healers around they may out heal the discord spams and ur caller will hav weak arsenal for a good few seconds.
Dronte
If you bring minions make sure you give your hero's bloodstained insignia, lack of that insignia will slow you down a LOT.
AtomicMew
I have no idea what the problem is.
Discordway utterly destroys this area. You should have nearly 40 minions almost all the time. With my MTVQ discord partner, I always do <30 min with no cons. We've since tweaked the build a bit, including double fall back! heroes, and I believe our record was close to 25 min.
Edit:
Your problem is probably that you are using double callers, which is bad, which also probably means you don't know how to use a caller properly. As a caller, you need to know how to prioritize targets. If you split targets (i.e., call different targets) that defeats the whole purpose and is probably WORSE than H/H! Just go standard ranger and dervish builds.
Double scythers should do the trick beautifully.
Discordway utterly destroys this area. You should have nearly 40 minions almost all the time. With my MTVQ discord partner, I always do <30 min with no cons. We've since tweaked the build a bit, including double fall back! heroes, and I believe our record was close to 25 min.
Edit:
Your problem is probably that you are using double callers, which is bad, which also probably means you don't know how to use a caller properly. As a caller, you need to know how to prioritize targets. If you split targets (i.e., call different targets) that defeats the whole purpose and is probably WORSE than H/H! Just go standard ranger and dervish builds.
Double scythers should do the trick beautifully.
SaDuFam
A discord team needs a good support to bring the best out of them.
The caller should have the ability to spam hexes and conditions almost continuously. Fragility (Hex), You Move Like a Dwalf (condition), Assasin Promise (Hex) and Finish Him (2 conditions) are great skills to use. 'Finish Him' literally is finishing the called target quickly so that your team can move on to the next target.
With Fragility you can dish out extra 34-40 damages on top of 'Finish Him'. The monsters never lived to see the other 34-40 damages recovering from the conditions.
The necro Hex/Enhancement AOEs would drop all monster health to around 150HP by the time you killed 2 to 3 monsters, after that keep using AP and Finish Him to clean up the remaining mob quickly.
The caller should have the ability to spam hexes and conditions almost continuously. Fragility (Hex), You Move Like a Dwalf (condition), Assasin Promise (Hex) and Finish Him (2 conditions) are great skills to use. 'Finish Him' literally is finishing the called target quickly so that your team can move on to the next target.
With Fragility you can dish out extra 34-40 damages on top of 'Finish Him'. The monsters never lived to see the other 34-40 damages recovering from the conditions.
The necro Hex/Enhancement AOEs would drop all monster health to around 150HP by the time you killed 2 to 3 monsters, after that keep using AP and Finish Him to clean up the remaining mob quickly.
Dratyan
Just go DTSC, almost the same amount of faction in <15 minutes.
White_Chaos
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Originally Posted by Dratyan
Just go DTSC, almost the same amount of faction in <15 minutes.
Where do ppl gather for DTSC?
Carnivorous Cupcake
White Chaos
German or French districts.
German or French districts.
Dratyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by White_Chaos
Where do ppl gather for DTSC?
Eternal Grove, mainly at French district, using this build:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team..._FFF_Frenchway
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team..._FFF_Frenchway
mage767
I used to get 33-35 min times without celerity and using sabway + heroes. A few minutes slower also because I open all locked chests and salvage between groups.
Tenebrae
You should get 35-40 mins VQ with Dway , if you add speed boost that time should be about 30mins. I think thats the only tweak it needs and some PI for Earth Wardens .
stretchs
Quite often when I am doing a discord vanq with a friend I will being a Discorder with /P for fallback as it really speeds things up between groups. You can use GFTE as well. Several other nice things a para can carry that makes your group faster and more effective while still carrying discord