Instead of nerfing stuff why dont they do something useful?

Many rumors circulate about nerfing the current farming skills. But why do they want to nerf them? Sure people farm ecto which is more or less the same as farming money (it only makes obsi armor and chaos gloves easier to get).
Instead of nerfing the current skills to make people do UW/fow the normal way again. Why dont they give us a reason to do deep and urgoz again. I havent found people interested in doing these two ever since eotn came out.
Is it really that hard to add a few interesting drops to the loot tables, hell even adding a new leet weapon for the ninja mask / chaos gloves monks to use would help.Tweaking doa a bit too could help get more people interested.
These instance are much more interesting than UW and FOW but the drops suck, badly.

"Instead of nerfing stuff why dont they do something useful?"

april update...?

But it would be nice to find people actually in DoA and not just farming.

The drops suck because you can't get uberleetgodly gear in 20 minutes?
You know all max weapons are the same, right? This isn't WoW. You want stuff like that, I suggest you play it. If you already play it, good for you, but GW is not WoW and shouldn't be.

Pretty sure this is mostly a QQ thread disguised as a suggestion anyway. Time will tell.

This pretty much sums it up.

~Kinlo

you make it sound like theyve already nerfed shadow form

I miss DoA. It's kindda sad people don't play that area as much anymore, as for Urgoz, if you go around mid-day it's booming with people.

As for nerfing. I'm sure players will adapt. New builds will come out. They always do.

Nerf the Xunlai House imo, free gold / zkeys / emote is making this bad.

Hmm right.
I said the drops sucked in deep/urgoz, this is a fact zodiac weapons look decent but gl selling them for a good price.
The reason I mentioned a new shiny weapon was so that there would be people doing these instances again. I'm a ranger anyway the only shiny weapons we have are stormbows and that's enough for me.
yeas april was a nice update but how much gameplay did it add? Storage update changing your hair and a pokemon system hardly qualifies as added gameplay (remember sf??) The only part of that update that was really nice was the account based hom.

Are you guys playing DF atm? You sound exactly like the blind troll hater that can usually be found on the mmorpg forums.

Yeah I must say that kill one ataxe was quite stupid, they could just have given us the gold and coins directly, the faction bonuses you get from these though are quite enjoyable.

So you just want OP buffs instead of nerfs. You want to keep using the same old farm builds for the rest of your life while you sometimes take a break to do an elite mission for 2 hours and expecting it to be as profitable for 8+ people solo farming at the same time?

This...

I think the QQ is going to show when GW2 comes out and it has some striking similarities to WoW (if you havent read the features list so far on wiki).

Oh how the tears will come and I will laugh because I am not hardcore enough to understand how they "truly f'ed up guild wars"

What the only shiny wep you guys have are storm bows??? What about Silverwing and Bow of Hierophant(spelling?). Both worth quite a bit...

Katsumi summed it up nicely...QQ indisguise

I was hoping this thread was dated a long time before November just because of this.

Urgoz and the Deep were:
-given an End Chest
-given Faction Per Kill
-given Faction for completion
-given Special Summoning Stones (2 each, 2 of the 4 being craftable the other two awarded from the end chest)
-given Zaishen Quests (at least 1 each)
-given 2 new weapon skin drops and 2 new requirements for the Exhalted Aegis shield.

Urgoz and the Deep, has PLENTY of rewards, in my opinion, what prevents people from doing them is that with the rewards added, the difficulty was eventually increased via skill updates. People wanted buffs on skills, and those skills affected monsters as well.

(Also, they are too long) No amount of rewards will change people's desire to do these two elite missions.


New leet weapons, there are plenty of weapons going for 100k+e, which is stupid, since only the look is different.

Elite Area/Missions/Quests that need to be updated:

Titan Quests - needs to be repeatable and given better rewards such as a chest at the end of each quest *and the bug fixed for the Krytan one*, imo
Sorrow's Furnace - needs an end chest, skill bar changes, and quests to be set like in DoA and Slavers'
Tombs of the Primeval Kings - needs an end chest, and some bar changes (Darknesses could be given Signet of Disenchanting, to remove Perma Shadow Form'ers from farming the end chest).

(My exact ideas can be found here.

DoA also could use some reward buffs. But adding rewards does nothing if the place is easy and/or farmable. Also have to remove farming builds in order to increase value and not have everything new go to shit in a few days because of overfarming.

Just adding more and more stuff without nerfing will do NOTHING but take up server space.

Edit:

They won't "f up guild wars" as long as it has good quality lore, great graphics, a storyline, and no pay to play.

I didn't know WoW gave you UAX automatically when you went to PvP areas but still allowed you to grow in PvE ones, actually had a story told through missions just like GW1 with cutscenes etc, had skills that act differently depending on how they're used (jumping, etc), had a limited amount of skills you can take at once, a power plateau, had companions that everyone can use at a cost of their power? When did World of Warcraft get these features, because I sure don't remember it having any of them the last time I played?

As for OP: /notsigned. While the Factions areas could use some better changes (slightly better rewards even still, shorten the missions a bit, rework the monsters), even if they had better stuff, people won't do them because of the Prophecies areas atm, as the Factions areas aren't as farmable with these skills which makes the Prophecies ones way shorter and so they won't ever be as profitable to the playerbase until these farming skills get nerfed.

I was just suggesting that instead of nerfing the uwsc (not like people will start doing balanced team any day soon) they should give better rewards for the other elite instances.
Now if all of you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs feel like hating sure go ahead, guess your gonna enjoy the game till 2014 when gw 2 come out and be happy with getting new great content updates like what we got for 4rth birthday. But personnally I wont, been playing this game since day 1 and all I got left to do is vanquishes (which in no way can be considered fun).
Left for a few months and just came back a month ago and the only thing I can do in this game is farm to get cash to max out sweet drunk and party titles.
Dont tell me to go through the game again with new chars, been there done that. Doing proph for the 5th time is like riding the subway in the morning, nothing exciting.

And ffs i never said I wanted a new shiny weapon I said they should add them so people do the instances to get them. Please read posts before you reply.

beaver, I hope you do not direct this at me. I simply stating that if the things like shadow form and RoJ are not nerfed/fixed respectively, it doesn't matter what rewards you add, because they will all be farmable and will loose value. Thus, pointless.

Rewards are needed, yes, but not for the Deep/Urgoz. For the Prophecies Elites. And in order to prevent farming, the nerfs and fixes are needed.

Thus, your thread, is counter-active and pointless, as you don't mind the farming, but you want valuable stuff. But if things, no matter how valuable, are farmable, the value will diminish.

Also, vanquishes can be fun... they are for me. x)

So you actually believe that people will spend 3 h with a pug getting this done?
Are we playing the same game?

A.net wants people to play the game, not farm it. Farming harms the community as a whole by making group play, comparatively speaking, unprofitable and causing an isolationism mentality in the community.
A.net's done several things over time to try to break up that feeling by encouraging group play (loot scaling, z-quests).

Nope, never said that.

In fact, I said people would NEVER want to do Urgoz and the Deep. No matter how many rewards they get. Because it is too long.

Add in cons, more people willing to do it, but that's still pretty much guild/alliance groups.

What makes you think adding a huge $$$ reward at Kanaxai's and Urgoz's Chest (a la Eternal Blade and Obsidian Edge) won't spawn Deep Speed Clear and Urgoz Speed Clear Teams abusing the heck out of [[Shadow Form]?

You want more to do? Go play PvP. There's countless people to fight and challenges to take on there. Not nerfing Shadow Form is a bad idea, just like a number of gimmicky builds that have become able to farm large numbers of areas with small variants.

I'd be all for new stuff after they fix what they've already given us. That means a skill balance, and a nerf to overpowered PvE farming skills.

Like they don't exist already?The thing is,that a PuG would do Urgoz,for instance,in 1hour,while a guild team would do it in 20mins.That's the problem there,Deep/Urgoz/DoA aren't PuG friendly,UW is though,cause everyone splits,and if someone fails,then alright,dont worry,he/she pays for cons and someone else is doing that part instead.I am not in favour of PuGs,they are so useless,if you wanna do an elite area,join a guild that is doing it.Everyone thinks that you can get rich by doing UWSC,but they are just doing it cause they can't do the real elite areas,from which you can get even more rewarded.Try PuGing DoA.Oh,well, you won't find anyone PuGing it anymore,PuGs gave up on trying,since they realised they couldn't spike even the first 4groups in City.If you join a guild that is doing it though,I can assure you,you can do even your very first FR HM in less than an hour.

Well instead of just bitching please tell me how you think gw should act in rder to make people join regular groups to do those high end instances.
Because I've been here since day 1 and people have always been farming them, 55 has been there since day 1 and never got fully nerfed.
Farming is one of the things that keeps people playing this game, pvp is not for everyone unless your rank 6+ you can forget about joining pugs.
Most of the people that have been here since proph was out only play to finish their titles, and the new content added every 6 months or so we were promised when we bought the game didnt turn out to be what we were expecting.
The guild I was in was the second one to own cavalon, 90% of that guild already left even though these were people that would play gw at least 5H a day. they left because there was nothing interesting for them to do.
Many people seem to find UWSC interesting want em to leave too?

Really? Since day 1, eh? You remember when no one could beat DoA? Who was farming it then? That wasn't even that long ago if you've been here since day 1, so you should definitely remember that. You would do well not to overgeneralize like that. It's only going to piss people off.

Next time you make a suggestion here, I'd be much clearer in your opening post. You probably won't attract as much "bitching." I also find it delightful that you refer to other people bitching when that's mainly what you're doing.
Seems to be the consensus. I can't think of a way this thread can be positive or helpful at all. You've been here since day 1 and you're tired of the game. Join the club in Riverside. Or, if you'd like to complain to someone who's paid to care, consult the devs on the wiki.

Thus concludes the lesson on posting for today. Dismissed.