From the EULA:
NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated "spamming," or "flooding" of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.
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If you have turned off the profanity filter should you be banned per this section of the EULA. ANY ATTEMPT to escape the profanity filter has to include turning it off. Being too literal? Can we make that kind of decision regarding the EULA? Should ANET/NCSOFT clarify? What do you think?
IMO this needs to be cleared up by NCSOFT/ANET. The ability to break the EULA should not be in the game.
Does turning off profanity filter = attempt to escape the filter?
Tullzinski
Trub
Now your just being silly.
+1 for reading comprehension.
+1 for reading comprehension.
Elephantaliste
it means writing a bad word in such a way that even if people turned on filters, they will still see it.
Example : if "the word Crazy" is offensive and filtered,
writing it :"Cr4.zzy" or KrazzzY" is considered even more offensive.
Example : if "the word Crazy" is offensive and filtered,
writing it :"Cr4.zzy" or KrazzzY" is considered even more offensive.
Tullzinski
trub, hehe agree with you about being silly, but this is legal jargon we are dealing with 
If I turn off the filter I have just bypassed it......
If I turn off the filter I have just bypassed it......
Rocky Raccoon
Semantics can be in the eye of the beholder. What you read one way I may read another. I think if you take the general meaning of the sentence it means the intentional attempt to bypass the filter.
Arduin
Come on, aren't there any interesting stuff to start a topic on? Of course you won't get banned when you turn the filter off.
Escaping the filter means you deliberatily try to get around the filter, you know, when you type a message, at the sending part. It doesn't mean the ability to allow obscenities to be viewed on the recieving end when you turn the filter off.
There are always abilities to break the EULA. Chatting for one. One can be scammed using the Trade Button. One can grief by Zranking someone's corpse....
Escaping the filter means you deliberatily try to get around the filter, you know, when you type a message, at the sending part. It doesn't mean the ability to allow obscenities to be viewed on the recieving end when you turn the filter off.
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
IMO this needs to be cleared up by NCSOFT/ANET. The ability to break the EULA should not be in the game.
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Stolen Souls
"Does turning off profanity filter = attempt to escape the filter?"
No. Purposely mis-spelling a "naughty" word to bypass the filter does.
No. Purposely mis-spelling a "naughty" word to bypass the filter does.
Burst Cancel
Ironically, this is more-or-less how laws in real-life are interpreted. See: DMCA; also, the twisting of child pornography laws to encompass sexting teens as "production and distribution" of kiddie pr0n.
Leonora Windleaf
You can write any swear word correctly in chat, but if you write it differently, you're getting nicked. It's weird, but that's the way it is. Maybe it's Anets way of teaching us proper grammar?
Rathcail
I have kept the filter off ever since I checked through the options for the first time when I started playing Guild Wars. I like to see what people write and am not offended by swearing.
Now what I find interesting is that when I see someone swearing in a pug, they almost always write it so that it goes around the filter. Why do they bother doing that? Is their chat filter on by default and they haven't figured out how to turn it off? Do they take extra time on writing naughty words differently just so that others who keep the filter on gets to see them?
Whatever the case may be, it just looks silly to me.
Now what I find interesting is that when I see someone swearing in a pug, they almost always write it so that it goes around the filter. Why do they bother doing that? Is their chat filter on by default and they haven't figured out how to turn it off? Do they take extra time on writing naughty words differently just so that others who keep the filter on gets to see them?
Whatever the case may be, it just looks silly to me.
Trub
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Originally Posted by Rathcail
I have kept the filter off ever since I checked through the options for the first time when I started playing Guild Wars. I like to see what people write and am not offended by swearing.
Now what I find interesting is that when I see someone swearing in a pug, they almost always write it so that it goes around the filter. Why do they bother doing that? Is their chat filter on by default and they haven't figured out how to turn it off? Do they take extra time on writing naughty words differently just so that others who keep the filter on gets to see them? Whatever the case may be, it just looks silly to me. |
I don't believe most players are insulted to the point of tears if they see a few colorful words.
I do know that most players are more insulted by the way the words are used: as insults, spamming to be annoying, ect.
The filter is in place to catch those stray 'bad words.'.
/report is there for the others that abuse the whole sentence.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by Trub
^This.
I don't believe most players are insulted to the point of tears if they see a few colorful words. I do know that most players are more insulted by the way the words are used: as insults, spamming to be annoying, ect. The filter is in place to catch those stray 'bad words.'. /report is there for the others that abuse the whole sentence. |
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Trub
^This.
The filter is in place to catch those stray 'bad words.'. /report is there for the others that abuse the whole sentence. |
qvtkc
"Bypassing the filter" refers to you bypassing someone else's filter. Like you swear in chat, but you misspell your swearing with the intent of bypassing my filter so that I can see what you are typing.
Bypassing your own filter is sort of a moot point since you probably (hopefully) know what you yourself are typing.
Bypassing your own filter is sort of a moot point since you probably (hopefully) know what you yourself are typing.
I pwnd U
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
I agree. But why should we be allowed to turn off the filter? If you turn it off you can use profanity and will get banned for it. Profanity not allowed by the EULA. By extension turning it off bypasses the filter and should get you the same penality.
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
"Bypassing the filter" refers to you bypassing someone else's filter. Like you swear in chat, but you misspell your swearing with the intent of bypassing my filter so that I can see what you are typing.
Bypassing your own filter is sort of a moot point since you probably (hopefully) know what you yourself are typing. |
Also, as Trub said, you are just being silly now. Trying to discuss something that only you think is messed up is going to go badly.
Kook~NBK~
Turning off the filter only affects what you read. You can't be held accountable for something someone else says.
"Attempting to bypass the chat filter" is a direct reference to what you say (type). And you can be held accountable for that.
"Attempting to bypass the chat filter" is a direct reference to what you say (type). And you can be held accountable for that.
MithranArkanere
I tried to find a lolcat saying "UR logics are flawed" but I could not find any.
So just imagine one.
Ahem, it means TO GO AROUND THE FILTER. That is, regardless if you have the filter active or not, to write in a manner that your profanity would bypass the filter.
That rule doesn't those that read what others write, only those that write.
I have to turn off the filter because there are many words that are just normal in Spanish, but coincide with profanity in English, like "nigro", that is just short for "nigromante".
So just imagine one.
Ahem, it means TO GO AROUND THE FILTER. That is, regardless if you have the filter active or not, to write in a manner that your profanity would bypass the filter.
That rule doesn't those that read what others write, only those that write.
I have to turn off the filter because there are many words that are just normal in Spanish, but coincide with profanity in English, like "nigro", that is just short for "nigromante".
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
"Bypassing the filter" refers to you bypassing someone else's filter. Like you swear in chat, but you misspell your swearing with the intent of bypassing my filter so that I can see what you are typing.
Bypassing your own filter is sort of a moot point since you probably (hopefully) know what you yourself are typing. |
I will admit that it has been a very long time since I have had my filter on. I seem to remember that way back when that if I had my filter on and I would type a "bad" word it was filtered going out once I hit enter and it would show up (regardless if the receiver had his filter on or off) as ****
However there is still the question of why have the ability to turn off the filter since it is against the EULA to have profanity?
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
If I turn off the filter I have just bypassed it......
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Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
Because,
Bypassing=/=Turning off Filter. It's only on your screen. If you turn off the filter only you can see the swearing. You turning it off does not affect the other players. You taking a work like sh-- and typing it like S H - -, then you have bypassed said filter. This is grounds for a ban. You having it turned off to see people say sh-- in a way that the filter would catch it is not against the EULA. Also, as Trub said, you are just being silly now. Trying to discuss something that only you think is messed up is going to go badly. |
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by I pwnd U
Also, as Trub said, you are just being silly now. Trying to discuss something that only you think is messed up is going to go badly.
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Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
Actually, I think the thread is being very civil as opposed to many others.
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I would like to thank everyone for that also. If my understanding of how the filter works is wrong then it is my bust, and I am glad to admit it. I thought the filter worked on outgoing chat messages. It looks like that is incorrect. With that being the case then if you turned off the filter it would not be bypassing it.I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!
manager
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful!
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Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful! |
trankle
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However there is still the question of why have the ability to turn off the filter since it is against the EULA to have profanity?
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You are not allowed to generate profanity within the game, but Anet is. I can't name a character Damned Cleric, for example, but Anet can make an enemy with that name.
If I, as a player, want to read the name Damned Cleric, as put into the game by Anet, I need to turn off my filter.
That's why you can turn it off.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by trankle
I can answer that for you.
You are not allowed to generate profanity within the game, but Anet is. I can't name a character Damned Cleric, for example, but Anet can make an enemy with that name. If I, as a player, want to read the name Damned Cleric, as put into the game by Anet, I need to turn off my filter. That's why you can turn it off. |
-Sonata-
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I still have to wonder why the filter can be turned off if profanity is against the EULA...If someone can make sense of that for me I would be grateful! |
While the purpose of a chat filter is to filter out vulgarity, or words deemed inappropiate for younger audiences, there is no "perfect filter". There are often times where words are captured by the filter because they meet a character string that says, "This is bad. Block it." when really the word wasn't bad at all. Use your rhyming skills to see how that can happen. Also see some of the filtered names in the naming policy.
The option of being able to have it on, or off, isn't some sort of cheat for people. Those who are mature enough and responsible enough to both view and express themselves without engaging in excessive inappropiate language have the choice to turn the filter off for public conversations. It also means myself and friends, who are all over 25, can turn off the filter and chat like we're 25 within the means of our party, or guild, without the filter restriction.
Parents with young kids at the ripe of age of 13, who may not at all be responsible enough to handle it, be involved in it, or view it, can keep the filter on.
Whatever the choice, in the end, each player is still responsible for their actions.
Bloodgrave
It sounds stupid, but he does actually have a pretty good point.
Personally I think the whole chat filter stuff is kind of bad anyway. What's the point in having it, or being able to turn it off, if you can be banned for swearing anyway?
Personally I think the whole chat filter stuff is kind of bad anyway. What's the point in having it, or being able to turn it off, if you can be banned for swearing anyway?
BenjZee
Simple, don't be rude
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
To bypass something, the thing has to be there.
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Another way to look at it is in your last comment in the OP: you can't "escape" the filter by turning it off, because to "escape" something the thing has to be there.
Brett Kuntz
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trub, hehe agree with you about being silly, but this is legal jargon we are dealing with
If I turn off the filter I have just bypassed it...... |
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by kunt0r
TOS and EULA's are not legal agreements and do not hold up in any court.
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try going to court and sueing for an account ban... any solicitor will tell you its a legally binding contract
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by kunt0r
TOS and EULA's are not legal agreements and do not hold up in any court.
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NoXiFy
Another funny thing about the filter is the word "damn". It's filtered by the in-game filter, but when you ping a Damned Cleric it says damned. I want someone to say something like "Oh balthazar damnit" in all chat and see if they get banned, lol.
Also, discussing "naga's" can get you banned unless you speak of them in the right way. I remember several guilds such as Naga Stole Mah [Bike] and Kill The Nagas [WP] getting banned.
Also, discussing "naga's" can get you banned unless you speak of them in the right way. I remember several guilds such as Naga Stole Mah [Bike] and Kill The Nagas [WP] getting banned.
bhavv
Age of Conan had the right approach to profanity.
Swear and say anything as naughty as you like, and it doesnt matter, so long as your comments are not aimed at abusing another member.
If you abuse or harass people, you get booted off. If you run around on a PVP server killing noobs for fun, calling them 'effing' noobs after picking them off, you are allowed to do that because the whole idea behind the game is for it to be a brutal and unforgiving environment.
I sooo wish that AoC had no fees
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Swear and say anything as naughty as you like, and it doesnt matter, so long as your comments are not aimed at abusing another member.
If you abuse or harass people, you get booted off. If you run around on a PVP server killing noobs for fun, calling them 'effing' noobs after picking them off, you are allowed to do that because the whole idea behind the game is for it to be a brutal and unforgiving environment.
I sooo wish that AoC had no fees
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Brett Kuntz
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Actually they do
try going to court and sueing for an account ban... any solicitor will tell you its a legally binding contract |
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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
It's my understanding that EULA's are written by lawyers for said companies, if they were not binding legal agreements you could have the advertising department write them.
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http://forums.sirlin.net/showpost.ph...0&postcount=11
David Sirlin says it best.
qvtkc
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Originally Posted by Tullzinski
However there is still the question of why have the ability to turn off the filter since it is against the EULA to have profanity?
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IT'S NOT AGAINST THE EULA TO "HAVE PROFANITY". IT'S AGAINST THE EULA TO DISPLAY PROFANITY TO OTHER PLAYERS BY BYPASSING FILTERS ACTIVATED BY SAID OTHER PLAYERS.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
Ahem.
IT'S NOT AGAINST THE EULA TO "HAVE PROFANITY". IT'S AGAINST THE EULA TO DISPLAY PROFANITY TO OTHER PLAYERS BY BYPASSING FILTERS ACTIVATED BY SAID OTHER PLAYERS. |
remove have insert whatever method/word you want.
MagmaRed
The filter is there because some people will swear even though they are not supposed to. So if a parent doesn't want their kid to see swearing, and has the chat filter turned on, the kid can sit in Kamadan and see people say "bitch", "shit", "fag", etc. and only get **** instead. Turning the filter off is a choice made because some people swear and don't mind seeing others do the same. There isn't a global chat monitor in place, so you will only get banned if reported or observed by a GM. And since we know how ofter GMs are around in the game, you see that you have to be reported.
pumpkin pie
you are trying to make wave out of nothing like me ah?