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Dawndisciple

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

United kingdom

16 May 2009 at 05:21 - 1

I have been playing guild wars for nearly two weeks, and must say its a very good game, supplying me with hours of enjoyment, so much so that I have bought all the extensions for it.

The best times for me, have been while playing with other people, unfortunately this only seems to happen rarely and most of the time it mainly feels like a single player game with the addition of a chat box.
I am not yet level 20, will I get to see more multi play when I reach level 20 or will the situation remain the same?

Even without the multi play it's still a great game, but its so much more fun playing with others, I just wish it happened more frequently.

Sierraa

Supastar~ ???

Join Date: May 2006

USA [GMT -7]

Sierraas Asian Harem [love]

Me/

16 May 2009 at 05:23 - 2

Most generally you won't find pugs for missions or quests. Your best bet would be to join an active guild and have your guildmates quest and do missions with you. :]

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

16 May 2009 at 05:24 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawndisciple

I have been playing guild wars for nearly two weeks, and must say its a very good game, supplying me with hours of enjoyment, so much so that I have bought all the extensions for it.

The best times for me, have been while playing with other people, unfortunately this only seems to happen rarely and most of the time it mainly feels like a single player game with the addition of a chat box.
I am not yet level 20, will I get to see more multi play when I reach level 20 or will the situation remain the same?

Even without the multi play it's still a great game, but its so much more fun playing with others, I just wish it happened more frequently.

You need to find a good guild, then you can play with them heeps to your hearts content

. Later on in the game, you do find a fair bit more people considering the areas later in the game hold more value items than earlier areas. But yeah, your complaint is shared with many other players, although I think if you look hard enough you can always find people to play with.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

16 May 2009 at 05:30 - 4

Yeah, the game is 4 years old, not many people will be doing the missions again. Most will be farming/powertrading/PvPing

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

16 May 2009 at 05:58 - 5

Glad you like the game. Well the population is spread over 3 continents because of the extra campaigns and expansion, but it's still very active, even after 4 years. Try to make a small network of friends you like to play with. Join a guild that fits you. The game only starts at level 20. Later on you will meet more people in pve endgame areas and pvp is all about playing with other people vs another team of players. Have fun.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

16 May 2009 at 06:18 - 6

time factor. join a guild.

Dawndisciple

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

United kingdom

16 May 2009 at 06:31 - 7

It looks like joining a guild and getting to level 20 are the way to go, my trouble is, with everything being new I am in no particular rush to get to level 20 as I enjoy doing all the missions and quests, but I will get there eventually.

It is reassuring to see others, like myself, have a wish for more party's of real people, so it isn't just a personal grumble.

I can see there is no shortage of players, wherever I go I see gazillions of other people, but I can also see how easy it is to make up your own personal party of hero's, so there is no real need to form a party of players, except for making the mission more entertaining of course.

Anyway other than that one thing, all I can say is brilliant game, right down to the firework displays and freaky little creatures roaming around towns.

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

16 May 2009 at 06:45 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawndisciple

It looks like joining a guild and getting to level 20 are the way to go, my trouble is, with everything being new I am in no particular rush to get to level 20 as I enjoy doing all the missions and quests, but I will get there eventually.

It is reassuring to see others, like myself, have a wish for more party's of real people, so it isn't just a personal grumble.

I can see there is no shortage of players, wherever I go I see gazillions of other people, but I can also see how easy it is to make up your own personal party of hero's, so there is no real need to form a party of players, except for making the mission more entertaining of course.

Anyway other than that one thing, all I can say is brilliant game, right down to the firework displays and freaky little creatures roaming around towns.

You don't need to be level 20 to join an active guild and have fun. Most guilds just want you to be active and that's easy when you have only been playing for 2 weeks

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

16 May 2009 at 07:07 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawndisciple

unfortunately this only seems to happen rarely and most of the time it mainly feels like a single player game with the addition of a chat box.
I am not yet level 20, will I get to see more multi play when I reach level 20 or will the situation remain the same?

Even without the multi play it's still a great game, but its so much more fun playing with others, I just wish it happened more frequently.

1) Join a good guild
2) Ask them to help you
3) Pugs fail a lot, get to know your guild
4) ????????
5) Profit!

It's a run on joke, but the steps help. Don't be afraid to ask for help.

I am not yet level 20 well, your still doing the tutorial. That's right, getting to max level is a tutorial. So every Guild Wars Campaign starts with a tutorial in a tutorial.

Megas XLR

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

D/W

16 May 2009 at 07:50 - 10

It's awesome to see new players that like the game. Won't be long until you grow old and bitter and start complaining about skill updates and the dev team.

You can still find PUGs, but they're not as frequent as you might've hoped. I usually just hang out with my guild and tag along with whatever they need done. If you ever need any help, hit me up on Jimmothy Lviaquez.

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

16 May 2009 at 07:59 - 11

I have never had success with getting Guilds to do missions. But PUGs, yes. You just need to be on at the right time.

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

Me/

16 May 2009 at 08:16 - 12

check your pms.

citizensmith1001

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2008

Behind You

[RoaR]

D/

16 May 2009 at 08:25 - 13

This may be a silly question but which districts do you tend to play in , if you wanna meet other people you are best using the American districts.When i first started playing i used to use the European English districts and i sometimes thought i was the only person actually playing the game sometimes but then i went onto the American districts and have never been back to the Euro ones since.So my advice is use only American districs ,preferably districts 1 or 2

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

16 May 2009 at 08:53 - 14

Once you reach level 20, go check out Zaishen Challenge quests.

You will always find people that are interest in doing them in group.

If you are in EU districts, you should learn some german because that is de-facto pug language over there.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

16 May 2009 at 09:24 - 15

The Zquests go trough all the missions. Naturally when they come up people pug them in HM. So over time you get your chanse to do em all.

NM missions are easy enough for anyone to do them on NM.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

16 May 2009 at 10:33 - 16

It can be difficult at times finding players in some areas.

Try changing districts, sometimes USA has more people than Europe it all depends on the time of day.

You can use the ctrl and Alt keys one shows the NPCs the other the players if there are a load of players running to or standing around the mission giver you can assume there are quite a few doing that mission.

You are right not to rush there is little reason to, just go at your own pace.

Use the chat channels to see who is looking for players you could fine a like minded player to team up with, mix in a henchman or 2 and your set.

KrisNaga

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2009

16 May 2009 at 10:35 - 17

To be honest I find playing in a party to be a terrible experience, half the time they don't even know what there doing, the group splits and then they argue about which way to go.
I never join a party unless the mission requires it, my heroes are far superior to any other player because they do what I tell them to do and they attack the same mob I do which is far more effective.
I will say that when you do find a good party then the mission goes very smoothly but I find them hard to find.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

16 May 2009 at 13:55 - 18

Now most people visit American districts. So if you don't find anyone in other districts, you may want to try the American ones.

When it comes to normal mode, people don't wait much to forma party, if they are there, they may let you in, but don't waste time asking for people or waiting for them to come. The sooner you get a hero for normal mode, there better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

1) Join a good guild
2) Ask them to help you
3) Pugs fail a lot, get to know your guild
4) ????????
5) Profit!

It's a run on joke, but the steps help. Don't be afraid to ask for help.

I am not yet level 20 well, your still doing the tutorial. That's right, getting to max level is a tutorial. So every Guild Wars Campaign starts with a tutorial in a tutorial.

Yep. The tutorial ends when:
- You get to the Port Town of the campaign and unlock access to the Boat icon.
- You get to areas with enemies of level 20 and above and reach level 20 yourself.
- You make the signet of capture quest.
- You ascend and can change secondary profession.
I Factions and Nightfall that's around reaching the port town. But in Propheces it spans until the Crystal Desert! Talk about a long tutorial!

Of course, all campaigns start with a basic tutorial in an area you will never be able to go back again once you leave. But as you said, it's a tutorial inside a tutorial

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

16 May 2009 at 14:04 - 19

3 things, 2 of which have been said a number of times:

1. Join a guild

-A good guild will help you out when needed and play through stuff with you even if it's just for fun. Lots of people still have characters to work on at various places throughout the game, and lots of times folks are just wanting a break from what they normally do =). Also, if you join a guild with daily/weekly/bi-weekly activities, you'll be able to group with a whole bunch of other folks and do exciting and more difficult areas.

2. Do the Zaishen Quests once you've finished a campaign or two

-PUGs (Pick Up Groups in case you didn't know) have become wildly popular again with the introduction of the Zaishen Quests. Once you're comfortable with some of the missions and quests throughout the game, try to get a good group from the closest town and do the mission/quest with them.

3. Recruit a friend

-Even if it's only one person, it breaks up the monotony of playing by yourself with 7 AI heroes and/or henchmen. Having my girlfriend play with me throughout the game has made it feel wildly more "multiplayer" even though it's just one more person. A friend to go through the campaigns with you will make it a whole lot more fun, as well as give you more insight into all of the professions (assuming they play something besides what you do).

Good luck! Hope you can further enjoy Guild Wars.

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

16 May 2009 at 14:26 - 20

Quote:

I can see there is no shortage of players, wherever I go I see gazillions of other people, but I can also see how easy it is to make up your own personal party of hero's, so there is no real need to form a party of players, except for making the mission more entertaining of course.

That pretty much hit the nail on the head there - PvE has reached the point where you can H/H (Heroes & Henchmen) anything. Partying is pretty much optional, so when people do decide to party they do it with friends and people they know they'll have a good time with.

The main point has been covered - Find a good guild and make some friends.

Anyway if you ever find yourself in need of a monk be sure to look me up - IGN: Sant Leo

EDIT: Oh also if your not level 20 rember that most of the players have been playing a long time, and have done the low level quests to the point of insantiy. At this point a lot of people simply rush through them as quickly as possible.

Dawndisciple

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

United kingdom

16 May 2009 at 14:41 - 21

Thanks for all your information about your guilds, I am looking into them and their web sites to see which one would suit me best..
In all, I think my answer is, that the game only gets better, in fact, this is the case, as everyday I play, I have more fun than I did the previous day.

The amount of things to do and achieve in guild wars is really amazing.
I partially like how once a town is discovered, you can instantly visit that town again at any time, this is so refreshing after the laborious travel experienced in AOC.
To think that you get such a vast world packed with surprises and adventure all for free (except for the initial cost of the game of course), is what I would call, excellent value for money.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

16 May 2009 at 14:43 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But in Propheces it spans until the Crystal Desert! Talk about a long tutorial!

Of course, all campaigns start with a basic tutorial in an area you will never be able to go back again once you leave. But as you said, it's a tutorial inside a tutorial

I'm sure you remember that Prophecies used to be a big, big tutorial for PvP, where people were supposed to gain skill and only occasionally farm mobs.

Oh, the irony. Now people train in PvP to better in PvE... If there's anything to get better at, though.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

16 May 2009 at 14:52 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Now people train in PvP to better in PvE

They do? Since when?

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

16 May 2009 at 15:11 - 24

Not in PvP, but in festival arenas and minigames.

- Dragon Arena: Dodge ball. Learn to dodge projectiles! Yes, you can kill a monsters without receiving a single hit!
- Rollerbeetle: Moving. Learn to use the WADS! GW2 will not have click to move!
- Polymock: Time your skills, learn to interrupt!
- Brawling: Combos. Save the skills for when they are needed.
Etc...

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

16 May 2009 at 15:13 - 25

Oh. So... training in PvE for PvE.

Epicor

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2009

16 May 2009 at 22:44 - 26

I'm brand new to the game too, ended up getting all the expansions after playing prophecys for a week. Loving the game so far!

I've found a couple of groups, but I actually enjoy doing the missions with henchmen. I haven't tried PvP yet, not quite sure how it works.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

16 May 2009 at 23:10 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epicor

I haven't tried PvP yet, not quite sure how it works.

Just a word of warning: PvP has a much steeper learning curve than PvE and a lot of players never get past it. In PvE almost every build works, but in PvP almost every build fails.

If you want to try PvP:

1. Make use of this site - http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
It has a good selection of popular builds, organized by class and arena they're suitable for.

2. Make PvP characters to ensure that you're not handicapped. Using a major vigor rune is fine for PvE, but in PvP that 9 extra HP might save you and win the match. Unless your PvE char is perfectly geared, roll a PvP. (Once you unlock a skill/rune/weapon mod, you can use it on every PvP character you make and remake).

3. Originality is overrated. The game has been out for 4 years and all the best bars have already been discovered, optimized, and popularized. It's common in the low-end arenas for people to flame others for using "wiki builds" and call them noobs... when in reality the flamer is the noob and the guy with a wiki build is the better player.

4. Make friends. This is more important in high-end PvP (GvG and HA), but even in Alliance Battles it's more fun to play with people you know.

Back then

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

16 May 2009 at 23:51 - 28

I feel bad for new players. "Growing up" in prophecies is the only way to go.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

17 May 2009 at 00:55 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawndisciple

I have been playing guild wars for nearly two weeks, and must say its a very good game, supplying me with hours of enjoyment, so much so that I have bought all the extensions for it.

The best times for me, have been while playing with other people, unfortunately this only seems to happen rarely and most of the time it mainly feels like a single player game with the addition of a chat box.
I am not yet level 20, will I get to see more multi play when I reach level 20 or will the situation remain the same?

Here's why I, and most 7-hero-party advocates, don't group with people.

When you join a PUG, the following are going to happen. Not necessarily all of them, but virtually guaranteed that at least one will occur, and the greater the number of humans, the more likely that multiple things on this list will occur.

- Someone has a shitty build.
- That someone refuses to load a decent build, for various (idiotic) reasons.
- Also, that someone responds with hostility and calls the player a "noob" or "wiki noob." (According to the PvE Scrub, wiki builds are BAD, and everyone should use things like Orison of Healing.)
- Someone leaves.
- Someone's an asshole.
- Someone draws swastikas and cocks on the map.
- Someone hates swearing.
- Someone says lots of stupid shit.
- Someone does lots of stupid shit.
- Someone has a retarded character name.
- I could go on, but you get the idea.

That said, I'm ok with 2/6 teams (two players, six heroes), particularly with someone I know or someone from Guru.

And on that note, I'll throw my character name out here, Animus Eversius. I'm open to vanquishing or HM missions (even though I came late to the discord builds, they're what I run these days) on those uncommon occasions when I'm actually online, and not just online-but-busy-chatting-with-people. Not with the OP, obviously, who is new to GW, but for any other people who, like me, are very lazy and thus only just now actually getting around to vanquishing or HM.

Back then

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

17 May 2009 at 03:17 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Here's why I, and most 7-hero-party advocates, don't group with people.

When you join a PUG, the following are going to happen. Not necessarily all of them, but virtually guaranteed that at least one will occur, and the greater the number of humans, the more likely that multiple things on this list will occur.

- Someone has a shitty build.
- That someone refuses to load a decent build, for various (idiotic) reasons.
- Also, that someone responds with hostility and calls the player a "noob" or "wiki noob." (According to the PvE Scrub, wiki builds are BAD, and everyone should use things like Orison of Healing.)
- Someone leaves.
- Someone's an asshole.
- Someone draws swastikas and cocks on the map.
- Someone hates swearing.
- Someone says lots of stupid shit.
- Someone does lots of stupid shit.
- Someone has a retarded character name.
- I could go on, but you get the idea.

That said, I'm ok with 2/6 teams (two players, six heroes), particularly with someone I know or someone from Guru.

And on that note, I'll throw my character name out here, Animus Eversius. I'm open to vanquishing or HM missions (even though I came late to the discord builds, they're what I run these days) on those uncommon occasions when I'm actually online, and not just online-but-busy-chatting-with-people. Not with the OP, obviously, who is new to GW, but for any other people who, like me, are very lazy and thus only just now actually getting around to vanquishing or HM.

I'll run some discordway with you. I need a lot of zones on all the continents. I've got my heroes decked out too with inscribed armor/runes/modded weapons. I like to vanquish areas that also have zquest bounties in them. I added you so I'll send you a whisper when I see you on, or whisper me IGN: Hand of Ruin

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

17 May 2009 at 03:26 - 31

Yep trust us, most players aren't worth grouping with - just human nature.

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

SSW

E/

18 May 2009 at 15:22 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawndisciple

I have been playing guild wars for nearly two weeks, and must say its a very good game, supplying me with hours of enjoyment, so much so that I have bought all the extensions for it.

The best times for me, have been while playing with other people, unfortunately this only seems to happen rarely and most of the time it mainly feels like a single player game with the addition of a chat box.
I am not yet level 20, will I get to see more multi play when I reach level 20 or will the situation remain the same?

Even without the multi play it's still a great game, but its so much more fun playing with others, I just wish it happened more frequently.

Yes, sometimes it is hard to find PuGs to do stuff. Usually you won't find many to do quests, but you can usually find some to do missions. Finding an active guild where you feel welcome and enjoy being with the people will help. It will also give you reliable people to play with.

I would offer my own, but we are uniquely flavored and as such only a select few actually feel 'at home' with us. However, we are usually more than happy to lend a hand if we are not busy. My in-game names are over there:

<---

Feel free to holler if you'd like a hand.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

18 May 2009 at 18:24 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yep. The tutorial ends when:
- You get to the Port Town of the campaign and unlock access to the Boat icon.
- You get to areas with enemies of level 20 and above and reach level 20 yourself.
- You make the signet of capture quest.
- You ascend and can change secondary profession.
I Factions and Nightfall that's around reaching the port town. But in Propheces it spans until the Crystal Desert! Talk about a long tutorial!

Don't forget:

- You've completed your 2 attribute quests, and have your full 200 points.

If you take that one in, Proph lasts almost until THK!

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

19 May 2009 at 02:46 - 34

1. You're playing beginner's content in a 4-yr-old game. You'll find more people once you hit the lvl-20 content.

2. GW suffers from a design flaw in that it's very easy to be very bad at it (and very easy to nonetheless believe that you are quite good at it). As a result, a solid majority of players are pretty terrible. This tends to push good players into sticking to small circles of friends and/or teaming with the heroes (who are customizable) or the henchmen (who are consistently and predictably mediocre). This leaves bad (and, in your case, simply inexperienced) players stuck either teaming with each other (the blind leading the blind) or trying to hero+hench.

3. You're in the right place for finding people. If you need help with something in particular, just ask; someone will offer to help. When you're ready to join a guild, check the guild recruitment forums.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

19 May 2009 at 02:55 - 35

And don't forget to use your friends list. If you find guys who like to team up, put them on your friends list so you know when each others on and you can team up. Even better if you can find other guys just starting out like you, then you're all at about the same place, looking to do the same missions and quests.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

19 May 2009 at 03:04 - 36

Quote:

I can see there is no shortage of players, wherever I go I see gazillions of other people

I doubt this is a true statement as what you are seeing is ONE player with an 8 or 4 over their heads which are heroes and henchies filling up the group. There are actually few players in most outposts and the most players are or will be in Lions Arch, Spamadan (Kamadan) or Kanieng trying to sell the junk they have picked up playing with their heroes and henchies.

I've been to many of these zones that look like there a a gazillion players and these players are mostly AFK as well. I try to talk to someone or anyone and get little or no response at all. It's really a dead world out there that just LOOKS populated with all the zombies just standing around AFK with full groups of heroes and henchies.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

19 May 2009 at 03:08 - 37

I've noticed it's more euro districts that are like that. American districts seem to have more active people. I go euro when I'm H/H or don't want to be bothered in town, but if you're looking to trade or party up, go american. Course it also depends on time as well.

Calvar Draveir

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2009

Canada, eh?

Disciples of Nocturnal Chaos [DoNC]

E/

19 May 2009 at 03:14 - 38

With all the new "content", more and more of those zombies are coming to life, and more and more groups are actually populated by players. We're getting update on this scale every 3 months. I foresee an upswing in interest. (In actually playing the game)

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

19 May 2009 at 13:58 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Targren

Don't forget:

- You've completed your 2 attribute quests, and have your full 200 points.

If you take that one in, Proph lasts almost until THK!

I forgot about that. You get them just before infusion.

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

FaZ

D/

19 May 2009 at 19:43 - 40

It's also worth noting that while H/H does have advantages (AI can do certain things better, are much less likely to mess up, and guarantee proper party mix), human players have many advantages as well.

To start off with, they will likely have better builds/equipment (I'm going to guess you're like me and don't put as much effort into your heroes' builds as your own), will be more powerful due to PvE only skills (they tend to be incredibly powerful, and H/H can't use them), and will be more intelligent (when they don't mess up).

I've only had the game a couple months, and I find that usually, when I'm having trouble with a mission, doing it with a human party makes it incredibly easy. However, sometimes certain missions go better with H/H (The Gate of Madness opened my eyes; before then I always preferred players; now I only usually do).