i have no idea.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

18 May 2009 at 19:58 - 1

hey ive got a new assassin (level 13 at the moment) and im trying to get a build together.

now i know im not level 20 yet so dont worry to much but im rushing through the campaign so i want to get a build ready for when i fit level 20.

ive played on my friends assassin he uses ms/db spam and before i can get on a nice roll everythings dead so i dont like that build.

im not sure how to make assassin builds but ive looked at a few elite skills, way of the empty palm, locust's fury and palm strike.

are any of these good?

what sort of things can i do with an assassin?

aditional information: im upto dragons throat(though i can get skills through tomes), i am an a/r.

thankyou in advance for any and all help

.

Tharg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Massachusetts

Omega Glory

Mo/

18 May 2009 at 20:17 - 2

isn't the fun in Guild Wars to just play, pick up skills as you go along and figure out what works for you? There are coockie cutter builds on PVX Wiki so you can read up on them there as well.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

18 May 2009 at 20:26 - 3

If you are A/R use [Apply Poison] or maybe look up the Crit BArrage build.

Maybe [Lightning Relexes] for a quick burst of attack speed.

Antidote sig could be handy.

Other than that I don't play Sin so I dunno.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

18 May 2009 at 20:36 - 4

ok crit barrage isnt good at the moment the areas im in dont have enemys in big enough clumps to bve effective.

and on pvxwiki its crit scythe and mobius so :P

any other ideas?

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

18 May 2009 at 21:37 - 5

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ive played on my friends assassin he uses ms/db spam and before i can get on a nice roll everythings dead so i dont like that build.

So basically you want a build that kills slow?...

Uhh crit agility/res sig/crit d/shadow refuge/heart of shadow/viper's defense

/dash/critical eye

and auto attack. That should kill slow enough for you to get on this "roll"

Johny bravo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

[SoS]

N/

18 May 2009 at 21:46 - 6

I hate to say this but play the game a bit. Try out new skills see what you like. Decent builds are posted all over the place on the web but you really need to figure out your play style and work around that.

That being said cookie cutter builds are on PVX wiki

Obrien Xp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

Canada

The First Dragon Slayers [FDS]

18 May 2009 at 22:50 - 7

This game has gone so far away from the build experimentation, everything is cut from pvxwiki. Look there and open pandora's box.

On a better note: best thing to do is take what you have, look at the highest skill trainer you have access to and see what skills you like, then form a build.

RadaArashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

A/

18 May 2009 at 23:45 - 8

I think he meant that, at the point he is MS/DB isn't that good because things are actually dying pretty quick.

If you're Lv13 I imagine you're still at Shing Jea, approaching Zen Daijun.

If you have access to skill books, I'd recommend Golden Fang Strike and Assassin's remedy then run:
Jagged Strike, Golden Fang Strike, Death Blossom, Critical Strike Critical Eye, Way of Perfection, Assassin's Remedy, Optional (Rez or whatever you like).

Moebius spam actually isn't good in NM, you do from one to maybe sometimes two death blossoms.

As for elites, once you get to mainland Cantha, I'd first worry about running to Elona, get Critical Agility and then cap Palm Strike and Flashing Blades.

Edit: just paid more attention to the OP and read the last line. Uh, you might wanna get a few levels first, you should be lv20 by now, Factions' quests give a gazillion EXP so its not really hard. My skill suggestions still stand though.

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

19 May 2009 at 02:17 - 9

If things are dying too soon for MS>DB to be effective, that just means it doesn't matter what you do and your team will still roll everything. Just wait till late NM and all of HM and you'll be able to get to speed quite quickly. And if you really have to, Critscythe doesn't rely on any chains, so should be able to switch targets quickly enough. If you really want to go on a wierd spree, you can go Assassin's Promise and run a pseudo-spike.

And creativity <<<<< gud. There's a reason people run cookie-cutters: They're the most powerful and optimized builds possible for a certain profession. Most anything else is going to gimp yourself.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

19 May 2009 at 07:42 - 10

Originally Posted by Songbringer View Post

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So basically you want a build that kills slow?...

no what i mean is i dont want to use 2 skills and everythings dead and this is on my friends assassin that i have played ms/db spam.

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This game has gone so far away from the build experimentation, everything is cut from pvxwiki. Look there and open pandora's box.

thats why im here because i want to make my own build but i need some guidance.

also those elites from what ive read palm strike looks like its best.

isit?

Coolpb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2008

Bergen Hot Springs

We Farm Your [ECTOs]

A/

19 May 2009 at 14:00 - 11

Palm Strike can be considered one of the "Tops" but not necessarily the best.

Its advantage lies in the fact that it is a touch skill, so even if you're blinded you'll still hit with it.

Also It's an offhand attack that doesn't have a prerequisite move before it.

If you plan on going with PS a good follow up is Trampling Ox, KD is always an advantage.

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

20 May 2009 at 03:54 - 12

You might want to try out Locust's Fury if you don't want to spam 2 attack skills. You'll be auto-attacking (because lead and offhand attacks can't double strike, and dual attacks always double strike, but why bother? LF works best on auto-attacks) a whole helluva lot, but the damage you can pump out if you're being buffed up by your party is pretty nuts.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

20 May 2009 at 12:24 - 13

well i dont basicly c-space evry time my targets dead but i dont want to use ms/db spam because itslike one i get upto the spam aprt me enemys dead so i have to try and start on another enemy.

i might try ps and trampling ox combo, maybe i could add critical eye,falling spider,signet of toxic shock,heart of shadow,critical agility, dash

what do you guys think?

RadaArashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

A/

20 May 2009 at 18:40 - 14

Signet of Toxic Shock is bad in PvE because of its long recharge unless you find means to use it often, like Assassin's Promise or Deadly Paradox.

I dont understand what you're saying though, you say you don't like Moebius Blossom cause you have to start over from zero after you DB->MS->DB? I don't see how thats different from the chain you want to use, you'd PS->Trampling->Falling->SoTS and start over on the next enemy, except you'll have to wait for Trampling to go up, use it then wait for it again.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

20 May 2009 at 19:42 - 15

well with ms/db i will go 5-6-7-8 target enemy 1-2-3 switch to new enemy and wait for 1 and 2 to charge.

where as i want to activly be using skills other wise it gets a bit boring.

what about way of the empty palm? anything i can do with that?

RadaArashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

A/

20 May 2009 at 20:52 - 16

ahh you mean you find it tedious to just spam Death Blossom?

Way of the Empty Palm is very much useless. You can spam Duals and Off-hands of 5e with relative easy because of Critical Strikes and Zealous daggers so you could say it is only useful when used with 10e dagger skills.

The most useful ones that require that much energy are Golden Skull Strike, Temple Strike and Shattering Strike, but these happen to be elite skills so you can't run them on the same bar so that leaves us with Twisting Fangs and Black Spider Strike but these have a long recharge, you're better off with Way of the Lotus or Attacker's Insight.

You'll find that the assassin's attack system's quite sequential. Just like how it is with Death Blossom/Moebius Strike its with any other chain. You smack your keys in a order, 1 2 3 4 repeat. If you want to switch targets you have to start over.

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

21 May 2009 at 08:09 - 17

ok let me clarify a bit more, there are 2 reasons i dont want to use ms/db spam, the first is i find it really boring compared to other builds such as assassin promise spike(again i have played these builds on my friends assassin) and second is i am way off of getting ms.

ok what about i could have a quick recharge condition spam. i would like to fir daze in there so maybe golden skull strike, temple strike or beguiling haze, and could use fox fangs?

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

21 May 2009 at 15:31 - 18

a guildie pinged me this build what do you guys think?

A/W

Attributes:
Critical Strikes:11+1
Dagger Mastery: 12+1+2
Deadly Arts: 6+1

Skills:
Golden Fox Strike
Mantis Touch
Trampling Ox
Falling spider
Horns of the Ox
Falling Lotus Strike
Blades Of Steel
Flourish

he said just use in order.

darkpaladin752

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

21 May 2009 at 20:22 - 19

wayy too pvp based, and horns will not trigger half the time in pve. honestly, I would rather replace the first 2 skills with palm strike, and replace horns of ox and falling lotus completely with just blades of steel.

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

21 May 2009 at 21:27 - 20

You'd have to drop Flourish for PS, so you would be running:

Palm Strike
Trampling Ox
Falling Spider
Blades of Steel

If you really want to run in with half a skillbar, be my guest...

roboscar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

E/Mo

22 May 2009 at 07:56 - 21

ok well instead of coming up with a totaly new build i suppose it would be easier to make my current build better.so i have:

Jagged Strike(chose this cause i thought i could give bleeding to like every enemy)
Wild Strike(extra damage plus cheap and quick recharge
Death Blossom(again extra damage plus aoe plus quick recharge. yes i know iiii keeps aying i dont want to use it but its all i have at the moment)
Heart of Shadow(shadow step plus heal)
Shadow Refuge(healing)
Critical Eye(+11% chance)
Dash(to tail fleeing enemys)
Signet of Capture(umm....to capture an elite skill?)

im having energy trouble for some reason yes i do have zelous daggers. i want to sort out these energy problems and try to add more attacking? suppose i can get rid of dash, replace it with repeating strike?

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

22 May 2009 at 21:13 - 22

If Dash gives you energy management problems, Repeating Strike is going to drain you dry.

Also, since you are getting +11% chance to Critical from Critical Eye, you have 10 in Critical Strikes. The break points for Critical Strikes to return energy to you are 3 (1e), 8 (2e), and 13 (3e). Drop 2 points in Critical Strikes to put you @ 8, and use the extra attribute points to go into something else, like Dagger Mastery.

RadaArashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

A/

22 May 2009 at 21:55 - 23

I'd recommend to up Critical Strikes to 13 (12+1), 12+1 or 12+2 in Dagger Mastery, you don't really need self heals if you're not in a PUG, let the Monk handle it. Otherwise just drop a point from dagger mastery for shadow arts or mystic regeneration in earth prayers. Also get Critical Agility, as a dagger sin there's no excuse to not running it. As for elite, since you don't like Moebius Strike, your chain is not spike oriented for AP to be effective, I guess something like Flashing Blades?

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

23 May 2009 at 01:14 - 24

He's not level 20 yet, that's why he's having energy management problems - he doesn't have the necessary attribute points.

For when you are level 20, a 12+1+1 Dagger / 12+1 Critical Strikes split will be fine.

Steps_Descending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

IN my pocket plane. Obviously!

Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

23 May 2009 at 23:58 - 25

I second the Critical Strike (the attack) idea : dual attack, garenteed critical, plus 2 or 3 mana on each hit. That would be an easy 14 mana without Critical Eye. Or one of the lotus attack (maybe golden lotus). Critical strike is on a 6 sec cooldown, compared to I think 10 for the lotus, so that would still give a repeatable chain.

About the elite, Palm strike is cappable early and will give you an off-hand attack to begin your chain. "Offhand - dual - offhand - dual" chains are pretty good. ANd having a "long" (read: around 8 sec) cooldown chain is not so bad, it frees your mana and hit'and'run is better than tanking for the reed bar.

Stealth Bomberman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2008

24 May 2009 at 18:30 - 26

Originally Posted by roboscar

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thats why im here because i want to make my own build but i need some guidance.

also those elites from what ive read palm strike looks like its best.

isit? good luck making a build not on wiki. palm strike is on wiki so its not original.

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

24 May 2009 at 18:54 - 27

Just because a skill is ON wiki doesn't mean that a build containing it is a wiki build. And not using wiki builds is just stupid, because they are the best builds that a profession could run. Even without wiki most of the high-level players would be running near those exact builds, and noobs would be that much easier to pick out. Sure, a little change here and there to a pvx build is great and helps to give it a more personalized feel, but the hard facts say that wiki builds are the best builds you can use, and using something else is highly likely gimping yourself.

RadaArashi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

A/

24 May 2009 at 21:33 - 28

I think by Palm Strike he meant the whole Palm Strike build as a whole.

Not that its the only way you can get good results from Palm Strike but it will usually be followed by Trampling Ox, where one of the fallings is a must, followed by a dual.