Where's the real players?

LFR through Mission

That's all I see in Chat now. No one looking for groups anymore.

I mean come on people. you bought the game to play it correct? So why pay someone else to play it for you? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of enjoying the game? Didn't you buy this game so you could try it out and play it?

Yeah. I know some of you will say "We've already done this mission and don't want to do it again". Big deal. You made that character to play them right? So why sit around and do nothing while someone else plays for you? Did you make that character so you could sit around doing nothing? What's the point in even playing the game if you'd rather someone else do it for you? You might as well give them your account so they can do all your work for you.

There is no groups anymore. No one ever wants to team up for anything. Everyone wants runs all the time. What happened to the real players? The ones that enjoyed playing the game and playing their characters? They don't exist anymore. Everyone is lazy and doesn't want to do any work for themselves now that runners will do it for them.

Just a little rant to pass the time while I look for a group..........

There are a couple things called guild or H/H.
Hard to find a group because 90% of pugs suck.
And yes alot of us have done all this before and are just trying to get to certain places as fast as we can so we can do what we want.
Find a good guild or H/H.

Many missions are easy to find a group on, especially in the newer campaigns.

Just take 10 minutes getting a group together for a 30 minute mission, it's not that hard.

Many of the players you will find have worse builds/ styles than the henchmen so you either take a long time making them take pet skills off their nuker or put up with some extremely bad players. Often I've sent people packing to the skill trainer with a list rather than take them on a mission.

Despite this I personally prefer to get a group together, it's usually possible in every mission including ones where most people buy a run (ruins of morah, lategame prophecies, etcetc).

I like taking groups through difficult missions just for the sake of doing it the real way and saving them some cash to spend on insignia, although it can take multiple tries if they don't follow directions and the dervish overaggroes.

Think of it this way.Who wouldnt love to go afk during THK. H/H ftw, Guilds only if you find a good one. and PuGs...... oh god

I totally agree. As much as H/H gets the job done so much faster, It is so much more fun to group of with real players. As the game goes on we witness a much more anti-social society as heros and hench take over pugs.

Because there's a hug difference between being good in guild wars and being bad. People just get sick of dealing with bad players and dont want to bother with them

A big part of the problem is how fast you level in guild wars. In games like WoW where it can take a few months to hit max level (for slow people), at least by the time you do hit that level you're at least moderately familiar with that class. In guild wars, most new players hit 20 and don't even know what 90% of their skills do or have a clue how they interact. There's just no room for people to l2p before they move on to "harder" content. Plus the fact that guild wars doesn't allow for wipes, you'd rather go it alone then risk noobs wiping your party and wasting all that time.

I played through all 3 campaigns + eotn on my first eight characters. Pretty sure that wasn't fake, it was real alright. After that on my last two, i just got absolutely sick and tired of the same shit, and i'm rich, so why not have people struggling for gold do it for me? And i make PvE characters mostly just to PvP with so i can do what i'm good at and look good while doing it. The first 3 times was enjoyable, if i can avoid hassle, i will. Can't you or anybody else tell me there's anything whatsoever wrong with that.

who needs groups..

noone.

last time i used a group a noob warrior ran into a group right near the end of the mission and got us all wiped cause he was a stupid pug.. H/H is way faster + more reliable..

only times i go with a group is with guildies that are good..

why people pay for runs these days..? because say u made a character too farm.. why waste time doin the mission when u can get a run (not like its expensive) and save alot of time...

I for one are just playing to try out new skills, trying things out... Thought about joining a guild soon but i really just like playing alone\with henches\heroes. I play to be inspired and use my brain, not following everyone else's advices .. although it might take longer to figure things out, at least i did it myself.

It seems everyone's goal is to get as rich as possible, maxing every title, getting every mini-pet (although they are useless and do absolutely nothing) and such.

I love how pugs and guilds are so different. How everyone thinks that you sucks just because you're not in the same guild as them. MAKES SENSE, YA? <3

I've been part of a 13min UWSC recently with a PuG. It does happen from time to time (pure luck) but 99% of the time a guild run will not fail, be faster and less frustrating.

Not all players in pugs are bad players. It's just that PuGs rarely have any kind of coordination or leadership and I believe that is why missions etc fail.

Guild Teams make the effort to familiarize every member of the party with the roles everyone needs to play in order to accomplish the task.

That's the difference.

Bored with GW or tired of shitty players with bad builds and equally bad excuses for running them. That's where the players are. You'll see plenty of them still, they're usually running around with 4's and 8's above their heads 'cause they'd rather fill out any slots not occupied by guildies with h/h than risk dealing with the general douchebaggery/idiocy of the community.

Sure, doing almost anything in the game is a safer bet with H/H. However, not every single person in the game wants to solo, or at least not all the time. Sometimes it's nice to play with others for the camaraderie or change of pace, even if it's a little slower or less efficient. It's just more fun to beat an encounter when you share the experience with others.

Unfortunately it's really hard to find people of the same mindset to group with. A lot of the groups are very specific in that each person has their own idea of what the perfect build is (probably something they are running with heroes) and they want everyone on the team to conform to that exact setup. So they don't want just a necro, they want everyone to be discordway. Or they don't want just a monk, they want a HB monk.

I miss the days of "god only knows what this person is bringing. Maybe I don't even want to know". Back in the old days, completing Thunderhead Keep with a pug really felt like an accomplishment. I'd certainly pug more if it were easier to hook up with similar people.

Now I actually PUG'd an easy HM Zaishen mission last week just for kicks, my first PvE pug in maybe 2 years. Nice people, was going well. Unfortunately mid way through, I err7'd for the first time in a year, I felt terrible.

Actually that's because good players join guilds with other good guilds. If my guildies are bad i either make a mental note not to play with them or leave the guild.

If you're talking about PvE, then anyone who doesn't have enough of a life and have too much time to kill on GW can be considered a "good player".

fix'ed...

Also, most people get runs nowadays because after having played the SAME mission, the SAME campaign and the SAME grind over and over again, people finally realize: Hey, GW is 99% repetitive grind, only not promoted as being so, thus i'll get a run, instead of doing it yet again.

don't worry buddy.. i still am here xD

If i used a runner i would feel dirty.

if you run it... they will come

I am more than happy to pug almost any part of GW but there are conditions and I am pretty sure its not my ego wanting everybody to do the missions my way.

If the party members are willing to spend a couple of minutes planning how we are going to do it and can string together enough words to form a coherent sentence then I will go with them.

Otherwise they can do it without me.