In GToB, just next to Priest of Baltazar[Reward], or better, close to Merchant/Rune Trader !
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For clarification, by "trader" i mean a npc that would sell AND buy tomes, LIKE the dye trader.
Add A Tome Trader
Elephantaliste
MithranArkanere
Aaaalready suggested. Search for it if you want.
And as I've already said too, the only trader left is the Weapon upgrade trader.
A Tome trader would make Skill trainers just for unlocking skills unless the prices in tome traders had a lower price limit of 1k, in which case tome traders would be just for getting skills when you have no skill points, and for getting elite tomes.
And which would be the minimum price for an elite tome?
Based on ZCoin conversion (discarding the extra gold prices, just the Coins) if a Small Back costs 2500 and also 5 silver (250 cooperZCoins). Then each cooper Zcoin would mean 10 gold.
Elite tomes cost 2 gold, and that's 1000 cooper.
So each tome would have to had a minimum value of 10K.
Would you use the tome trader if you had to pay a minimum of 10k to buy a tome from them, and get paid less when selling them?
On top of all of that, PvP areas only need traders for equipment so people can change their equipment quickly.
Perfect kits would help in the Zaishen collectors too with that.
Any other traders should be left for PvE Towns and Guild Halls.
And as I've already said too, the only trader left is the Weapon upgrade trader.
A Tome trader would make Skill trainers just for unlocking skills unless the prices in tome traders had a lower price limit of 1k, in which case tome traders would be just for getting skills when you have no skill points, and for getting elite tomes.
And which would be the minimum price for an elite tome?
Based on ZCoin conversion (discarding the extra gold prices, just the Coins) if a Small Back costs 2500 and also 5 silver (250 cooperZCoins). Then each cooper Zcoin would mean 10 gold.
Elite tomes cost 2 gold, and that's 1000 cooper.
So each tome would have to had a minimum value of 10K.
Would you use the tome trader if you had to pay a minimum of 10k to buy a tome from them, and get paid less when selling them?
On top of all of that, PvP areas only need traders for equipment so people can change their equipment quickly.
Perfect kits would help in the Zaishen collectors too with that.
Any other traders should be left for PvE Towns and Guild Halls.
Eragon Zarroc
u can get tomes from z-coins npc, effectively making it a tome trader. farm z-coins or farm in HM alot
Anduin
It is a great idea, as it removes the need to spam for hours to get what you want or sell what you want.
The prices should be based on supply and demand like runes and materials. No one complains about those prices. They're set by the player base. So should these. He would only resell what had been sold to him by players.
The weapon mod/inscription trader would work the same way. There is no reason for this not to exist.
... or add a trader, removing the need to waste hours grinding and adding more time spent, you know, ACTUALLY PLAYING.
I guess all the rare materials whose values are listed as 250g should be sold for that much from their traders too, then?
The prices should be based on supply and demand like runes and materials. No one complains about those prices. They're set by the player base. So should these. He would only resell what had been sold to him by players.
The weapon mod/inscription trader would work the same way. There is no reason for this not to exist.
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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc
u can get tomes from z-coins npc, effectively making it a tome trader. farm z-coins or farm in HM alot
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Aaaalready suggested. Search for it if you want.
And as I've already said too, the only trader left is the Weapon upgrade trader. A Tome trader would make Skill trainers just for unlocking skills unless the prices in tome traders had a lower price limit of 1k, in which case tome traders would be just for getting skills when you have no skill points, and for getting elite tomes. And which would be the minimum price for an elite tome? Based on ZCoin conversion (discarding the extra gold prices, just the Coins) if a Small Back costs 2500 and also 5 silver (250 cooperZCoins). Then each cooper Zcoin would mean 10 gold. Elite tomes cost 2 gold, and that's 1000 cooper. So each tome would have to had a minimum value of 10K. Would you use the tome trader if you had to pay a minimum of 10k to buy a tome from them, and get paid less when selling them? |
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Anduin
... or add a trader, removing the need to waste hours grinding and adding more time spent, you know, ACTUALLY PLAYING.
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Using a Green Solo Farmer build to kill a boos again and again until it drops a tome, now that's grind.
The thing is, even grind is faster than using zcoins to get the tomes.
Although capturing the skill yourself is always faster. Unlike bosses, that are always there waiting for you to give you their skill, other items in traders may or may not drop for you.
You may kill a boss 1000 times and never get a scroll or salvage a jeweled dagger and never get a ruby. So traders are there so you can pay for themand save time by spending more cash if you want.
Although with tomes something similar happens, what they are for - Skills and Elite skills - have viable alternatives already: Skill Traders and Signet of capture. And that's what there is no need for Tome traders.
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I guess all the rare materials whose values are listed as 250g should be sold for that much from their traders too, then?
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Go to a trader. Check the price of diamons. Last time I checked it was 500g.
The minimum value of a diamond is 500g (250 when selling it). And so, if the minimum value of a tome is 10k, then buying would be 10k, and selling 5k.
But that's just the minimum, after people start selling and buying using the trader, prices start to fluctuate.
That is, over time, the most used tomes would get their prices increased over 10k. Probably assassin and Monk ones.
Now, I ask again. Are you willing to use a trader if you would have to pay 10k and sell for 5k?
ac1inferno
I would like this, but the reason why Tomes cannot be sold to the merchant is to encourage player trading.
genofreek
We, uh, already have skill NPCs scattered throughout the game. And technically the silver and gold Z-coin crafters are already tome traders. This is just completely unnecessary and would kill nearly every reason for having a skill trainer in game. Buy skill unlock packs, collect tomes, GG goldsink. Even in the offchance you can't find someone selling the (non-elite) tome you want for under 500g, it's not that hard to scrape 100 copper z-coins together. They're damn easy to sell, too.
/notsigned. There are a lot of things we already need before tossing in a couple of redundant NPCs.
/notsigned. There are a lot of things we already need before tossing in a couple of redundant NPCs.
Dre
/signed if it's only for non-elite tomes
wetwillyhip
i like the idea. Set the default price to 500g for each normal tome and 7000g for elites and let the price shift up and down due to supply and demand from the playerbase. I like it b/c tomes at the zcoin trader takes too long. tomes have a different function than buying regular skills, first you have to buy the skill in the first place, so essentially it wouldn't render the skill traders useless.
Enchanted Warrior
This would be nice, *IF* it worked like rune traders. Demand controls availability and price. Some would run out, popular tomes would be worth more.
hitsuji182
Good idea, but i'd prefer more upgrades&inscriptions trader. Or just make them stackable. It's a really lack of space when my mule char is full with only a "measure for measure" insc.
Axeman002
yeah make the game even easier...acctually while we are at it can we have a fame trader so i can just buy some of that instead of acctually having to play for it.
Yawgmoth
/signed
I fully support this idea, and keep calling for it since tomes were added. Surely easier to implement than mod&insc trader, and much less controversial.
It ofcourse should work just like all other supply/demand traders, no need to invent anything new, the update could be as simple as adding all 20 tomes to for example Scroll Trader npc's inventory. Placing the trader dealing with Tomes in Great Temple of Balthazar should also be obvious - they drop from Zaishen Chest, pretty often, and PvP characters (or even PvP only accounts) could really use a fast way to sell them.
I fully support this idea, and keep calling for it since tomes were added. Surely easier to implement than mod&insc trader, and much less controversial.
It ofcourse should work just like all other supply/demand traders, no need to invent anything new, the update could be as simple as adding all 20 tomes to for example Scroll Trader npc's inventory. Placing the trader dealing with Tomes in Great Temple of Balthazar should also be obvious - they drop from Zaishen Chest, pretty often, and PvP characters (or even PvP only accounts) could really use a fast way to sell them.
MithranArkanere
Or they could use the ZCoins in something else, and remove all the stuff that appears in collectors from the ZChest, and make the ZChest drop the corresponding amount of cooper coins and gold instead of those.
You want them? You go get them. You don't, you use the coins for something else. So if you are a PvP character, you'll never have to see a tome unless you get them on purpose for a PvE character or whatever reason you may have.
You want them? You go get them. You don't, you use the coins for something else. So if you are a PvP character, you'll never have to see a tome unless you get them on purpose for a PvE character or whatever reason you may have.
Bluefeather
/signed
and include Elite Tomes so we can get title quickly.
Really, anet should make GWAMM easy to acquire already. This is already more than 4 years old and i think many in-active players will come back to work with their GWAMM if they can do it solo
Besides, if these items can be purchased from NPC, then we will still needing gold and it means we still need to farm outside towns or in Kamadan.
and include Elite Tomes so we can get title quickly.
Really, anet should make GWAMM easy to acquire already. This is already more than 4 years old and i think many in-active players will come back to work with their GWAMM if they can do it solo
Besides, if these items can be purchased from NPC, then we will still needing gold and it means we still need to farm outside towns or in Kamadan.
MirkoTeran
/notsigned
There are enough way to get skills already.
There are enough way to get skills already.
haggus71
For Elite Tomes, there are plenty of bosses that will crap them for a reasonable(less than z-coin farming) amount of time. for regular, other stuff craps them. I got a bunch sitting in my inventory.
Actually, I wish I could SELL the regular ones.
eh, /notsigned
Actually, I wish I could SELL the regular ones.
eh, /notsigned
1337 H4X
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/signed
and include Elite Tomes so we can get title quickly. Really, anet should make GWAMM easy to acquire already. This is already more than 4 years old and i think many in-active players will come back to work with their GWAMM if they can do it solo Besides, if these items can be purchased from NPC, then we will still needing gold and it means we still need to farm outside towns or in Kamadan. |
Easy enough as it is now, more suggestions for easy gwamm can get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed
Marty Silverblade
/notsigned. Iirc Anet wanted to have tomes as a way to encourage player trading. Also, I don't think it would mesh well with the skill trader system already in place and to a lesser extent the ZCoin traders.
Elephantaliste
i think we can consider the zaishen npc more like a seller/crafter, since it won't take your tomes back.
Having a new tome -trader- wouldn't be very different from having a dual material trader + material crafter.
Having a new tome -trader- wouldn't be very different from having a dual material trader + material crafter.
Tenebrae
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Originally Posted by Axeman002
yeah make the game even easier...acctually while we are at it can we have a fame trader so i can just buy some of that instead of acctually having to play for it.
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/notsigned a million times
Get ZCoins or do HM and buy them from another players , its bloody easy.
PahaLukki
Selling stuff to others is a bother, and I have a mesmer book just wasting space at the xunlai box. And it would also be great to be able to buy the non-elite tomes at less than 1k because buying skills for characters is just so expensive, there should at least be some benefit to having them unlocked or something. Dunno about elites, that would mean one could buy the title of legendary skill hunter, but then again it probably would cost a legendary amount so I don't really care about that either. Like 7000 for an elite, that's pretty reasonable I suppose.
/signed
/signed
gameshoes3003
Use skill trainer, or buy with Z-coins.
If you want to make tomes more expensive than 1k, then it's just better to buy skills from the trainer.
Zaishen rewards allow you to get tomes, and even elite tomes, there is little need for a tome trader.
/notsigned
If you want to make tomes more expensive than 1k, then it's just better to buy skills from the trainer.
Zaishen rewards allow you to get tomes, and even elite tomes, there is little need for a tome trader.
/notsigned
Bluefeather
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Brain problem?
Easy enough as it is now, more suggestions for easy gwamm can get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed |
and you got a big one.
if gwamm is easy as you claim, shouldn't we see lots of people walking around with such title. i'm sure we can see some. but if its easy enough, at least half of the people in kamadan should be displaying their gwamm title.
hey i cant read ur name
what does it mean?LOL
MithranArkanere
It's easy to get, but time consuming. If you play only 2 hours per day, no way you are getting it soon.
tadevil
While we're at it lets add a trader that sells zkeys, one that sells weapon mods oh and you can't forget armbraces we must have a trader for those!
On are more serious note; are you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? This game is easy enough as it is, it became even easier with tomes introduced but now you want to step way over the line and add a trader? No thanks if you want an easier game than pacman then play tic-tac-toe with yourself just don't turn Guild Wars into it.
On are more serious note; are you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? This game is easy enough as it is, it became even easier with tomes introduced but now you want to step way over the line and add a trader? No thanks if you want an easier game than pacman then play tic-tac-toe with yourself just don't turn Guild Wars into it.
Yawgmoth
I'm almost always AGAINST changes that make something in the game unnecessarily *easier*, but in this case it's NOT making the game easier. It's a straight TRADING improvement! Skill tomes are all entirely BUYABLE and you can buy them FAST if you shout WTB offering higher than average price. And that price is the price you'd see at the trader.
So what part of the game you want harder? The WTB/WTS spamming makes game hard?
rotflmao
So what part of the game you want harder? The WTB/WTS spamming makes game hard?
rotflmao
Artemis Lagrasse
This could go both ways.
I dunno how well the idea of an NPC Tome Trader would work for the purchase of elite tomes. They tend to be more expensive than purchasing a Signet of Capture at its max price, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Going out for already capped elite skills may take a hell of a lot longer than simply using an elite tome, but I would rather spend 1k on a cap sig and then re-capping, let's say for example, a single elite Monk skill during my not-so-abundant free time, than spending 8-10k (a rather extortionate amount of gold for something that only gives you access to a single skill, even if it is an elite skill and is much less time-consuming than re-capping, IMO) on an elite Monk Tomb that gets me the same thing.
This might work well for reg. tomes, though, since even the most expensive ones are cheaper than paying 1k each time you want to purchase a skill that you have already unlocked on another character.
I personally have 6 characters, all of them sharing at least one profession. That means I may end up spending up to 2 or 3k (more or less, depending on the prof. the skill is for) for the same skill, and that can add up to quite a lot if I want to purchase a lot of the same skills, along w/purchasing all new ones for each character and for all my heroes, if I choose.
And what if I need to buy a lot of other stuff, like armor, runes, better weapons, GH stuff, and all those other much-needed things but only have so much gold to buy them with? I not only have a rather limited amount of gold relative to the high cost of most of the items I am trying to save up for. I also have a rather limited amount of time on-line to spend on getting through my quests and missions, and even less time to spend on other often tedious and time-consuming activities, like farming, trading, earning Z-Coins, ect.
Overall, I support the idea for an NPC Tome Trader, even if I personally would most likely only use it for non-elite skills.
I dunno how well the idea of an NPC Tome Trader would work for the purchase of elite tomes. They tend to be more expensive than purchasing a Signet of Capture at its max price, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Going out for already capped elite skills may take a hell of a lot longer than simply using an elite tome, but I would rather spend 1k on a cap sig and then re-capping, let's say for example, a single elite Monk skill during my not-so-abundant free time, than spending 8-10k (a rather extortionate amount of gold for something that only gives you access to a single skill, even if it is an elite skill and is much less time-consuming than re-capping, IMO) on an elite Monk Tomb that gets me the same thing.
This might work well for reg. tomes, though, since even the most expensive ones are cheaper than paying 1k each time you want to purchase a skill that you have already unlocked on another character.
I personally have 6 characters, all of them sharing at least one profession. That means I may end up spending up to 2 or 3k (more or less, depending on the prof. the skill is for) for the same skill, and that can add up to quite a lot if I want to purchase a lot of the same skills, along w/purchasing all new ones for each character and for all my heroes, if I choose.
And what if I need to buy a lot of other stuff, like armor, runes, better weapons, GH stuff, and all those other much-needed things but only have so much gold to buy them with? I not only have a rather limited amount of gold relative to the high cost of most of the items I am trying to save up for. I also have a rather limited amount of time on-line to spend on getting through my quests and missions, and even less time to spend on other often tedious and time-consuming activities, like farming, trading, earning Z-Coins, ect.
Overall, I support the idea for an NPC Tome Trader, even if I personally would most likely only use it for non-elite skills.
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/notsigned
would throw the balence of the game off... and there are already "traders" with the Zaishen Coins... I consider that fair enough
would throw the balence of the game off... and there are already "traders" with the Zaishen Coins... I consider that fair enough
Elephantaliste
we all agree its easy to get... but its hard to get rid of...
sounds like those voting no are just considering the "get new tomes" possibilities but not at all the "get rid of your tomes" possibilities.
sounds like those voting no are just considering the "get new tomes" possibilities but not at all the "get rid of your tomes" possibilities.
MithranArkanere
I just use them all. There is no profession that could not use at least some elite from any other profession.
draxynnic
While I'm ambivalent regarding the initial suggestion...
Economic arguments based on zcoin values is inherently flawed - Linsey has already stated that most items available at the zcoin collectors are deliberately on the overpriced side to prevent zcoins from being the default method of acquisition (the exception being, of course, those items that can ONLY be acquired through the use of zcoins).
With this in mind, the real effect of the ability to trade zcoins for elite tomes probably isn't so much to set a minimum limit as to produce a soft maximum - in the unlikely event that the price for tomes grows so high that zcoins become a more efficient method of acquisition, then demand at the trader will dry up until the price drops. (In fact, the mere presence of a trader may result in a drop in prices, as players currently hoarding elite tomes 'just in case' they see someone looking to buy one may decide to cash it in to the trader straight away instead. I know I have one that'll be gone as soon as I can sell it for something approaching market value, but I prefer to spend my playtime playing instead of sitting around waiting for a buyer.)
(Idly, I'd largely agree with Artemis regarding the price of elite tomes. If you have access to the zone, running out in easymode to cap a skill is more time-efficient than buying a tome. I tend to think the main point to elite tomes has more to do with the player wanting to skip the effort of getting out there in the first place.)
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And which would be the minimum price for an elite tome?
Based on ZCoin conversion (discarding the extra gold prices, just the Coins) if a Small Back costs 2500 and also 5 silver (250 cooperZCoins). Then each cooper Zcoin would mean 10 gold. Elite tomes cost 2 gold, and that's 1000 cooper. So each tome would have to had a minimum value of 10K. Would you use the tome trader if you had to pay a minimum of 10k to buy a tome from them, and get paid less when selling them? |
With this in mind, the real effect of the ability to trade zcoins for elite tomes probably isn't so much to set a minimum limit as to produce a soft maximum - in the unlikely event that the price for tomes grows so high that zcoins become a more efficient method of acquisition, then demand at the trader will dry up until the price drops. (In fact, the mere presence of a trader may result in a drop in prices, as players currently hoarding elite tomes 'just in case' they see someone looking to buy one may decide to cash it in to the trader straight away instead. I know I have one that'll be gone as soon as I can sell it for something approaching market value, but I prefer to spend my playtime playing instead of sitting around waiting for a buyer.)
(Idly, I'd largely agree with Artemis regarding the price of elite tomes. If you have access to the zone, running out in easymode to cap a skill is more time-efficient than buying a tome. I tend to think the main point to elite tomes has more to do with the player wanting to skip the effort of getting out there in the first place.)
Neo Atomisk
1) we have that, its called gold/silver zcoin rewards
2) This would simply replace skill trainers.
3) Having tomes easily accessible would kind of break the entire skills system. I like to use tomes on new characters, yes, but skill aren't accessible to later in the game for a reason.
/unsigned
2) This would simply replace skill trainers.
3) Having tomes easily accessible would kind of break the entire skills system. I like to use tomes on new characters, yes, but skill aren't accessible to later in the game for a reason.
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Bristlebane
A Tome Trader is better than tomes off Zaishen NPCs. Tomes off Z are all same price, no matter if it's a dirt common Assassin Elite, or a Monk Elite. At least a Tome trader would adapt prices after supply/demand.
/signed
/signed
Bristlebane
Please give us a tome trader ^^
It's so annoying to have to spam Kamadan for just a few tomes.
Taking *any* item of the spam fest in Kamadan can never be bad :-)
It's so annoying to have to spam Kamadan for just a few tomes.
Taking *any* item of the spam fest in Kamadan can never be bad :-)