Officers kicking members
vjrose
Ok, I've heard a lot of folks complain about this, but it had never happened to me, an officer kicked all my members and left. He pm'd me later and made it clear he thought it was one big joke. My suggestion is this, limit the number of members one officer can kick in a day. We could have repaired the damage more easily if he had been limited to say, 5 members. But he kicked 29 people. Why would an officer ever need to kick more than maybe 3 or 4 in a day?
MMSDome
Kick cape leechers in 1 day.
xron
Personally I think it's down to the leader to make sure he has chosen the right officers. If you don't know them, and are able to trust them then they shouldn't be officers.
Those guilds that advertise in Kamadan "next 3 ppl are officers" crap won't be lasting very long anyway!
In terms of your suggestion; /notsigned as there are legitimate reasons why you would want and/or need to kick more people in a 24 hour period. System could be abused by certain people knowing they have another 12 hours or whatever left before they can be kicked to aggro people and cause trouble.
Those guilds that advertise in Kamadan "next 3 ppl are officers" crap won't be lasting very long anyway!
In terms of your suggestion; /notsigned as there are legitimate reasons why you would want and/or need to kick more people in a 24 hour period. System could be abused by certain people knowing they have another 12 hours or whatever left before they can be kicked to aggro people and cause trouble.
Betrayer of Wind
u need to trust who u're promoting,its not like "first 5 invites are officers gg more recruits hell yeah".
Your fault,no need to change anything.
Your fault,no need to change anything.
TJVigilante
Most guilds I've been in, to prevent that, promoted everyone to officer so nobody had any power over anyone else, except the leader
TheBuck
ok ive been playing for four years and I do not know what a cape leecher is, can someone inform me?
leetLoLa
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ok ive been playing for four years and I do not know what a cape leecher is, can someone inform me?
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Kook~NBK~
/notsigned.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Guild leaders need to be careful when promoting people to officer status. If you're promoting immature people to officer status, you're opening your guild up to the kind of immature garbage like what is described in the OP.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Guild leaders need to be careful when promoting people to officer status. If you're promoting immature people to officer status, you're opening your guild up to the kind of immature garbage like what is described in the OP.
TalanRoarer
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Originally Posted by xron
Personally I think it's down to the leader to make sure he has chosen the right officers. If you don't know them, and are able to trust them then they shouldn't be officers.
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as far as your suggestion goes, /notsigned
ssheretic
I've had this 2 times, and I DO choose my officers! But what if that "loyal" officer has a friend in real life that wants to be officer and gets promoted? 
/signed
Can this kicking cap really hurt these guild with the "right" people? Because if you can choose the right officers, you will also be able to choose the right members right? So you don't have to kick more than 5/day for example.
And if they do they could just ask the guildleader to do it for them...
/signed
Can this kicking cap really hurt these guild with the "right" people? Because if you can choose the right officers, you will also be able to choose the right members right? So you don't have to kick more than 5/day for example.
And if they do they could just ask the guildleader to do it for them...
jiggles
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its being in gold/silver/Bronze trimmed guild or by paying or by farming factions for them.for the cores cape leechers=minions iTs funny
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Shadowhaze
It is who you pick as officers yes, but even then sometimes "friends" can turn so it's hard to say. 
I've been in a guild like that as well. It was different but effective.
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Originally Posted by TJVigilante
Most guilds I've been in, to prevent that, promoted everyone to officer so nobody had any power over anyone else, except the leader
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headlesshobbs
Officers to recruits are always treated with higher-up seniority, so playing big boss man when someone gets an ego is just one of the risks we have to deal with. Problem here is why wouldn't there be an easier way for Leaders to track and re-hire others aside from looking at the activity log?
yarddog
personally, all my officers are trusted and have been in my guild over 1 yr at this point [3 are 3yrs plus], but none of my officers can promote within unless previously approved by me <GL, and also no kicking is allowed unless previously discussed or if that member is becoming too disruptive in the guild or within the alliance and i am not available for the kicking. choose wisely is the best advice i've seen offered here and should be heeded, not everyone entering a guild can be an officer right away, well atleast within my guild. my .02
Neo Atomisk
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Originally Posted by xron
Personally I think it's down to the leader to make sure he has chosen the right officers. If you don't know them, and are able to trust them then they shouldn't be officers.
Those guilds that advertise in Kamadan "next 3 ppl are officers" crap won't be lasting very long anyway! |
My current guild actually auto-promotes anyone who joins to officer. This creates a much more relaxed atmosphere, where everyone has the benefits of officer, and there is no tension between members/officer, like in my last guild, where officers demanded respect from the members.
MagmaRed
Leader selects the officers, and sets rules for them. If they don't follow the rules they get demoted or kicked. Since the leader is choosing the officers, it is the leaders fault if it is someone who isn't going to follow the rules he sets.
Officers can only invite, promote, and kick members based on the rules the leader establishes. If the officers can't follow those rules, the leader made a bad choice and it is his fault.
Careful selection and communication is all that is needed. I know there are times when a large group of people who are close friends cause a problem at the same time. Being able to kick them all makes it easier to keep the guild stable. I don't see a problem with the current setup, I only see a problem with some people's ability to manage their guild.
Officers can only invite, promote, and kick members based on the rules the leader establishes. If the officers can't follow those rules, the leader made a bad choice and it is his fault.
Careful selection and communication is all that is needed. I know there are times when a large group of people who are close friends cause a problem at the same time. Being able to kick them all makes it easier to keep the guild stable. I don't see a problem with the current setup, I only see a problem with some people's ability to manage their guild.
Unknown Duli
guild spike anyone??
Having been in a few faction guilds myself, this is a very hard thing to spot-- you have an excellent, helpful, friendly player who helps teach newer members and shows them the ropes. You even spend time with them on vent and judge the player as a keeper. You promote to officer to keep them then all of a sudden----GUILD SPIKE and you never hear from this person again. There are some guilds out there (unfortunately) who have this down to a science so they can always remain in the top spots and there is nothing anyone can do.
not sure how realistic it would be to change a function such as "kick member" to limit it to a certain number daily (or even worth it, really this games been out way too long to invest in something like this)
many of the responses are alittle on the harsher side..ie you made a crappy decision, your GL sucks if he promoted that person, or your guild is mis-managed. It happens and as of now, the only way to protect yourself is:
promote everyone to officer (this in and of itself has some issues)
only have minimum officer staffing (only the ones you can be absolutely sure of, then again are you really sure of them?)
Having been in a few faction guilds myself, this is a very hard thing to spot-- you have an excellent, helpful, friendly player who helps teach newer members and shows them the ropes. You even spend time with them on vent and judge the player as a keeper. You promote to officer to keep them then all of a sudden----GUILD SPIKE and you never hear from this person again. There are some guilds out there (unfortunately) who have this down to a science so they can always remain in the top spots and there is nothing anyone can do.
not sure how realistic it would be to change a function such as "kick member" to limit it to a certain number daily (or even worth it, really this games been out way too long to invest in something like this)
many of the responses are alittle on the harsher side..ie you made a crappy decision, your GL sucks if he promoted that person, or your guild is mis-managed. It happens and as of now, the only way to protect yourself is:
promote everyone to officer (this in and of itself has some issues)
only have minimum officer staffing (only the ones you can be absolutely sure of, then again are you really sure of them?)
Enix
Yeah I have to agree with the others - dont promote officers who would do such a thing.
the_jos
I have nice officers, for some reason this never happened to me.
Well, the officers do know one of the reasons. Why would they kick anyone who's in a guild for fun and can leave at any moment they want? People make their own choice to be with us and will ask for an reinvite when they get kicked by a bad officer.
The only one out is the offending officer. Just make sure you have a guild where people want to be and this should never be a problem.
And the people who don't rejoin? Well, if they don't care that much about their guildies, why should we care much about them?
People leaving for other reasons is a different story. I still keep in touch with several of my old guildies and officers who decided that an other place would be better for them.
Most of the guildies left at one point and rejoined again later (some several times).
Just because people ain't in the guild or alliance anymore doesn't mean they ain't friends anymore.
Well, the officers do know one of the reasons. Why would they kick anyone who's in a guild for fun and can leave at any moment they want? People make their own choice to be with us and will ask for an reinvite when they get kicked by a bad officer.
The only one out is the offending officer. Just make sure you have a guild where people want to be and this should never be a problem.
And the people who don't rejoin? Well, if they don't care that much about their guildies, why should we care much about them?
People leaving for other reasons is a different story. I still keep in touch with several of my old guildies and officers who decided that an other place would be better for them.
Most of the guildies left at one point and rejoined again later (some several times).
Just because people ain't in the guild or alliance anymore doesn't mean they ain't friends anymore.
genofreek
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Originally Posted by ssheretic
I've had this 2 times, and I DO choose my officers! But what if that "loyal" officer has a friend in real life that wants to be officer and gets promoted?
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And if your "loyal" officer re-promotes his friend or tries to start drama, you demote him too or kick them both. If you're running a good guild, people will see that and look past a few mouth-breathers with nothing better to do but cause trouble.
Covah
New guild!! The Little TeeHees [lawl] recruiting!! we do everything!!!! first 20 people that PM me become officers!!!!!!!!
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