Special perks for max Kurzick/Luxon rank?

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

I think this topic needs to be brought to issue here. When you played for a few years and finally reach that title of Savior, shouldn't there be a few things aside from a monument to go with your achievement?

I've only had a few ideas on this so far. One area I'm debating on is having full access to all alliance based towns and outposts, regardless of current guild ownership. Anyone who has truly devoted their time and duty should be recognized for their service and be given at least some measure of seniority in these areas whether it's by reward or unlimited access (which I fear could be abusable ) Secondly, why not have things that can only be accessible like specific weapons skins or custom cape with trim?

Don't bother with signed/notsigned here, I want to see what some of you can come up with.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

/not signed

Trims= Has been and should stay with high-ranking guilds
Weapons= QQfest for sure.

The Female Necro

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Belgium

N/Mo

/not signed

you want more leechers in JQ/FA?

if you can get acces to weapons (that are sellable) people will leech even more

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

so..... anything else?

Johny bravo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

[SoS]

N/

This title takes a few months to get with the current DSC and MQSC runs. I did it in about 3 months doing about 2 hours a day sometimes more, usually less.

If you want access to the special areas join a guild that owns a town, they area always recruiting and the minimum daily faction donation take <20 min to get.
/not signed

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Stop rewarding mindless grind.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
When you played for a few years and finally reach that title of Savior, shouldn't there be a few things aside from a monument to go with your achievement?
I have played for two weekends and went from 3M to max.

Anyway, there is already a bonus for maxing the title. The Kurzick and Luxon Skills at maximum rank.

Kattar

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

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Quote:
Anyway, there is already a bonus for maxing the title. The Kurzick and Luxon Skills at maximum rank.
This.

That's the point of grinding for a title: you get the title. That's the reward.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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The PvE skill bonuses, the maxed account-wide title. I dunno, it's a pretty easy title to get now and can be obtained in a couple of weekend if you really try hard (especially these last ones).

Cape trims are given to people who have done good in GvG tournaments; not "who can leech the longest without getting banned" or "Earning 10 million faction in 2 weekends".

The weapons are just a whole other story, having exclusive content for someone that has grinded to get it - is not a good thing to do. Although if they were salable, then at least all the people that had max Kurzick or Luxon (which, trust me, there are a lot of them), would practically give them out to others.

Neo Atomisk

Neo Atomisk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

State College, Pennsylvania, United States

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

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While I respect you having worked for it over however long it took you, its just too easy now to max out the titles with MQ/DTSC.

If one were to set his mind to it, he could go from 0 faction donated to 10m donated in something like 10 days, MQSCing with good groups for 5 hours a day.

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

maybe before when the title meant something, but not now. not after two double weekends in a row and the ease with which u can gain faction by doing speed clears. and the only feasible suggestion is the access to discounted merchants. cape trims and weapons, NO!

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

At first I was like:
Hell, no girlfriend!

And then I read this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
One area I'm debating on is having full access to all alliance based towns and outposts, regardless of current guild ownership.
And I liked it!

Maybe even stuff like the merch talking to you regardless on which faction owns the area atm.
Fix all the stupid crap that was introduced into the game with the division and tie the fix to a rank in the title - preferably rank 1.

refer

refer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

US

/notsigned

I'm in a guild who owns a town and it feels really nice to have that privilege lol. I don't mind getting the cheaper merchant ID or salvage kits for others but if you take that away, what's really left? E-peen? There should be an inherent benefit for those who own the towns and besides, people can leech to max title. I don't like when people leech for a benefit. It's one thing to have a couple words and a title added, but a word and a function? No thank you.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

/not signed. The reward of having an account wide title with the benefit of max power on some powerful PvE skills is enough.

It takes a lot of work for guilds to gain control of towns - recruiting & keeping members, farming the faction, dealing with all the issues (drama, etc.) that arise from having a large number of people, maintaining web sites & forums (I assume the larger guilds have those), etc. - they deserve the privledge of discount merchants & stuff.

Dre

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Belgium

Dutch Doom Brigade

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Quote:
Originally Posted by refer View Post
I don't like when people leech for a benefit.
So the current Kurzick/Luxon skills aren't a benefit (especially at high rank)?
And having an account wide max title isn't one either?

Mist :)

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2009

The Soundless Rebellion [TsR]

R/

Save yourselves.
4..6 seconds.
6 seconds at max, two more than at rank 1.
so for three months grind you get 2 seconds on a skill.
Should make it worth maxing imo.

lewis91

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

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Quote:
Don't bother with signed/notsigned here, I want to see what some of you can come up with.
/Notsigned

the actual displayable rank + skill strength increase is the reward for mindnumbing grind.

Unknown Duli

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Missouri

Reign Of Judgement

Rt/

/not signed... its way too easy of a title to max

max pve skills (some of them rock)
a maxed title (or 2)

why more???

pretty soon there will be a thread for max treasure hunter asking for chests to pop open all by themselves when u walk by......

Expherious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Wolfenstein Fuel Dump

Melandru's Elite Hunters [Hunt]

D/

Kurz n Lux skills end of discussion.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
played for a few years and finally reach that title of Savior
With the way today's groups are able to farm faction, it's not likely that you'll need years to max it. As for the rewards, getting weapons, cape trims, or other exclusive things like that are a no-no. I would, however, not have a problem if Saviors were able to have free access to their respective allegiance's elite area.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Katsumi View Post
This.

That's the point of grinding for a title: you get the title. That's the reward.
Also agreed. If you ask me, titles already have too much tied to them for something that was originally supposed to simply be a means of displaying your accomplishments rather than a way to work grind back into the game despite the level cap.

Although I would support an increased access to merchants, I don't think it should only kick in at the top level. Maybe make it so that, for each rank, they'll ignore up to 1000 points of the other side's faction when it comes to selling stuff to you or granting bounties. (Although, really, you should be trying to clear the faction on one side before going and doing things on the other...)

Incidentally, there is another benefit to having a max title - from then on, apart from any requirement you may have to maintain alliance standing, you can spend your faction however you like without worrying about your rate of return on your title.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus View Post
Stop rewarding mindless grind.
Pretty much this. I know, all that's left in the game is mindless grind, but there's nothing you can do for the faction titles that won't cause people to cry about it.

Coast

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

keep rewarding grind, k ty

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

1st - you don't even get a monument for maxing those titles - you get the monument at mere rank 4, which is 1 day of playing, at current rates.

2nd - these titles are already practically worthless because of the incredibly ridiculous faction gains for speed vanquishing runs - have you seen how many people max'ed the titles this and last weekend?

I actually really loved when the titles were practically unmax'able for normal players and rewarded players at all levels of dedication, leaving the max rank only to the most hardcore players who were most devoted to that one part of the game.
I preferred being a rank 7 among people of all ranks and knowing I deserved that, than now being a rank 11, knowing I got most of that in less than 30 hours of speed grind, in a world where rank 12 is now the norm.

So adding a new cool reward for those titles wouldn't help at all - the titles are already RUINED.
And no reasonable way to fix them, too late for nerfing the speed clears, damage is done and cannot be undone, just like to many other aspects of the game. The titles are now just another Sunspear or Vanguard practically, nothing bigger than that.
Sad.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
So adding a new cool reward for those titles wouldn't help at all - the titles are already RUINED.
And no reasonable way to fix them, too late for nerfing the speed clears, damage is done and cannot be undone, just like to many other aspects of the game. The titles are now just another Sunspear or Vanguard practically, nothing bigger than that.
Sad.
...which is the end result of tying mechanical benefit to a title.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by draxynnic View Post
...which is the end result of tying mechanical benefit to a title.
Wrong. The titles were fine after those were added and I consider them great additions. PvE skills didn't ruin the titles at all, they just added extra rewards and motivation. That was only good as long as the title remained out of maxing range for almost everyone.

The problem lies not in rewards but in means to obtain them.

As long as maxing was far out of reach for typical title grinders who want just +1 max'ed title, they didn't do it, they went for others to reach their 30. Faction title had some meaning (as much as a title can, at least) and in most cases a high Allegiance ranked player in AB was an experienced player and high ranks, even far away from max was respected by many (yes, that, even with so many people here laughing at the mere idea of any title being something respectable at all).

But now, as I said, the allegiance titles are RUINED. They no longer are something prestigeous. They're now reduced to just another +1 max title instead of working as a well balanced rewarding tool for players of all skill and dedication, where every rank had some meaning.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

There is only TWO rewards I would give for maxing those titles:
- /lrank and /krank emotes. Doing them will make appear a similar animation that apepars when you drop the spear or the urn, but without the 'dome' effect. Just Archemorus or Saint Victor doing the /roar. Can only be done with a fully maxed title.
- Ignore Faction limitations when talking to NPCs. If you have maxed Luxon, it won't mater if you have more Kurzick faction than luxon, NPCs in outposts controlled by Luxon will deal with to you. Same with priests. They won't ask for bribes, and won't fight you, and will even give you a 'Veteran' blessing for free, that gives no points, but do give +25HP and +3 regen.

That's all I would make to them. Nothing else.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

That does sound good. Having NPC's give you favor in blessings or by some other means shows that your influence is substantial as one of their greatest heroes. As for the emote, I agree we should have one, but I fear players will have something else to spam with.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Don't you think so. Since some update (I don't rmember which one) flashy emotes can't be spammed. You have to wait until you can perform them again.

dustbunny

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I just think that if a savior of so-and-so walks up to an NPC and interact with them, they should at least bow. Like if a savior of the Kurzick go interact with a kurzick merchant or rune trader or whatever, they should do a /bow emote.

There's absolutely no practical impact of any sort on the game.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

The reward for maxing a Luxon or Kurzick title should be a +1 title across all characters on that account.

I really think Anet should implement that beca-

Oh. Wait.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Wrong. The titles were fine after those were added and I consider them great additions. PvE skills didn't ruin the titles at all, they just added extra rewards and motivation. That was only good as long as the title remained out of maxing range for almost everyone.

The problem lies not in rewards but in means to obtain them.

As long as maxing was far out of reach for typical title grinders who want just +1 max'ed title, they didn't do it, they went for others to reach their 30. Faction title had some meaning (as much as a title can, at least) and in most cases a high Allegiance ranked player in AB was an experienced player and high ranks, even far away from max was respected by many (yes, that, even with so many people here laughing at the mere idea of any title being something respectable at all).

But now, as I said, the allegiance titles are RUINED. They no longer are something prestigeous. They're now reduced to just another +1 max title instead of working as a well balanced rewarding tool for players of all skill and dedication, where every rank had some meaning.
End results don't have to be immediate. In fact, the term implies otherwise - the end result usually comes after a series of intermediate steps.

What happened here was that something that was originally intended to be a nearly open-ended feelgood title suddenly became mechanically important, introducing a significant quantity of grind for mechanical benefit. People complained - rightfully, in the case of those people who were initially attracted to a game which was advertised as lacking grind. Linsey agreed and took steps to reduce the grind - partially by adjusting the skills so they were more useful before the title was maxed, and partially by making maxing the title more achievable.

If the title had never been tied to mechanical benefit at all, it probably would never have been touched. Thus, the title becoming easier to achieve is an end result of it being tied to mechanical benefit.

Which is a good thing, unless you like having an uneven playing field between those who can play as close as humanly possible to 24/7 and those who can't. Personally, being in the latter category (having both a thesis to finish and having to earn money for a living separately), I don't. Those two events you say that everyone and their dog maxed their Kurz/Lux titles on?

Really sucked having to work through most of them, not to mention the EOTN rep weekend as well.

1337 H4X

1337 H4X

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

SNOW

Acces to all towns is a good idea, rest is fail

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Sen'jin Village

The Infamous Cake Bandits [cake]

Mo/W

I think once you reach exalted with Luxons you should be able to buy an epic turtle mount, and kurzicks get a walking tree. That sounds like a good way of rewarding a mindless grind AMIRITE?

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Hm... that sounds interesting... Siege Turle and Juggernaut Mounts in Echovald and The Jade Sea... talk to priest, pay 1platinum and 5K faction... the mount is summoned... you talk to it, and 'mount' like when you mount a Siege Devourer.

And then, you have the skills of the guy.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Maybe not as mounts, but guardians with some major support. Also you can only summon their kind depending which alliance controls the area; Kurz - Jugg, Lux - Turtle.

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Sen'jin Village

The Infamous Cake Bandits [cake]

Mo/W

Hehe i guess no1 caught on top my WoW reference there

Kyosuki

Kyosuki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

Maybe some Elite Jade Luxon Armor(like 30k a peice) and Elite Amber Kurzick Armor

P.S: not serious

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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/signed for getting perks for Maxing Kuziks title

/not signed for getting perks for maxing Luxon title

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth The Xx View Post
Hehe i guess no1 caught on top my WoW reference there
I did, but I figured it was too obvious to need pointing out.