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Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 12:26 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Absolutely.

But bolded the main point.
The game still bores you.
And that's why I have no issues with people stating that. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to sugar-coat the truth or simply shut up when things aren't going the way that they should.

Whether you know it or not, it doesn't seem to me you can use Arduinna's statement to back your vendetta. You take a statement, highlite part of it, and then use it out of context of the total statement. I could do the same with yours by bolding "Absolutely" and saying I did it to your main point, totally ignoring the rest of your post. I leave it up Arduinna to tell me if I am wrong.

Ghost Omel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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11 Jun 2009 at 12:29 - 42

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Originally Posted by Deathaxe Raizer

Is there going to be a skill update, or will Arena.Net continue to disappoint the player base even further?

Dissapoint... Strange me and my entire guild are happy with a free game we get to play with free updates and occasional content updates not to mention a decent PvP scene if you play with normal and not "coo-coo" people for the past 3-4 years....

The fact that low number of people on guru+ ingame that complain about these "WHA WE DIDNT GET AN UPDATE WE GET FOR FREE FOR OUR GAME THAT IS NOT PROMISED AT ALL"...are nothing more then frenzied perfectionist, or people think that Anetr owes them..

+ Regina stated..its going to be next week.
Get your Zkeys 1 week later.. and bear with "broken" PvP for 1 more week

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

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11 Jun 2009 at 12:31 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Didn't we used to have weekly updates?
And then they became monthly?
And now the monthlies are getting delayed? And when they do arrive they show how out of touch with the game the devs are.

It's their game.
They can do with it whatever they want.
But the question that arises is - with no new content and consequently people losing interested not only in the game but also the franchise - can they afford this?
They Know that they can.

Me? I can't wait to get my hands on D3!

Changed it for ya.

Of course they can, for the few percentage of players that actually voice their minds on guru that they are upset, it doesn't matter. They already have your money from the campaigns you bought, and when GW2 comes around, even if you don't buy it, many GW1 vets AND new people who never even played GW1 before WILL buy it.

I never played Team fortress 1 (Im assuming there is one due to the fact the one i have has 2 at the end of the name) But I bought Team fortress 2.

THEN people who bought GW2 and like it will want to try its predecessor. In actuality, GW2 is a great way to advertise GW1.

So yes, yes they can afford it, and I have absolutely no problem where the game is going.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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11 Jun 2009 at 12:35 - 44

I could careless about the Reward Points, though I have to say that the delays and the bugs are getting old.

It's just poor buisness practice to constantly let down your customers.

I wouldn't care if there were no XTH at all, it's just that if you are going to say that you are going to do something, then do it, it's easy right now to expect delays and dissapointment from ANet, which is sad.

Ghost Omel

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11 Jun 2009 at 12:37 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

Changed it for ya.

Of course they can, for the few percentage of players that actually voice their minds on guru that they are upset, it doesn't matter. They already have your money from the campaigns you bought, and when GW2 comes around, even if you don't buy it, many GW1 vets AND new people who never even played GW1 before WILL buy it.

I never played Team fortress 1 (Im assuming there is one due to the fact the one i have has 2 at the end of the name) But I bought Team fortress 2.

THEN people who bought GW2 and like it will want to try its predecessor. In actuality, GW2 is a great way to advertise GW1.

So yes, yes they can afford it, and I have absolutely no problem where the game is going.

Totaly agrre..never played TF1 but i purchased TF2 and have a blast with it..but i heasrd TF1 was completely different then TF1 and never laid my hands on it (assuming what i heard was true never researched it)

Once again Some 1 had to put in "OMG cant wait for D3 SC2 yada yafa yada"
We know ....We all love the franchises that are older then a decade..we get it....We will begetting them to..you are not a lone case....

Speaking of 3s...cant wait to see more info in Serious Sam 3...

Serious Sam 3 >Sc2-----
Serious Sam 3 > D3-----(Speculation based on all franchises, previous games)
Serious Sam 3 > ME-----

"Sam I AM"

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

11 Jun 2009 at 12:52 - 46

New XTH system, they are most likely double checking the rewards by hand to ensure they are no mistakes (that is what I would do). After doing this they will probably have to wait for their eyes to uncross.

I wonder how much complaining would be going on if a few people did not get the correct amount of z-keys?

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 12:57 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We're doing some backend work on the Xunlai Tournament House, so the points will not be ready tomorrow as planned. We're very sorry about the inconvenience. We expect to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week.

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

and "We EXPECT to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week." I would guess more trouble with this system than is beeing lead on.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:01 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:05 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

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North of the wall

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:09 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

Because the majority of them suck.

They make money because they know how to sell things people want. Makeovers and storage for one I know many people who already bought them. BMP for the PvErs, Skill unlocks for the PvP'ers who couldn't wait (Which is understandable because when I tried to PvP on my 2nd account, it was annoying with none of my favorite skills)

Everything you pay you get something equal in value. BMP = missions weapons, campaigns = all that playable content/skills etc etc. we DON'T Pay for maintnence or skill updates like other mmo's do. Thats why many consider this free.

Ghost Omel

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:10 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

In respons my own argument.....Who made you?

You have to purchase a game in order to play it

There is ONE expansion... no 1 made you buy it

Make overs, name change... your joking right.. you payed for these

servises..updates should even be in the same category

Bonus chapters....Once gain key "BONUS"

I get ya you know you wasted your money on a game....Let me see

Does.....Mass Effect get updated every month , week,weekend?

And you payed for it as well. Yet no updates..

Optinal purchases dont count towards your "WTF i payed" yeah you did and you got your extra content

So let see assuming you bough all the games at their prime

lets say 45 for the games....40 in some stores 50 in other take the middle ammaunt

45*3=135 for 3 chapter ( not expansions)
135+30(For EotN)=165

Assuming that you played for 4 years paing for free CoORPG

So lets see if you payed 15 for it ok ok `10.. that would cost you

lets say 100 bucks for a year with a discount....thast 400 bucks more that you DIDNT PAY.....

+ You get updates..regardless of wether they are good or bad...work still goes in them

=Free 10-20 $ update with Sorrows Furnace..
So you save 410-420 $

Ok now let put in your so called nessesities Storage, Make overs CHarr slots

40 for char slots,2 make overs +20 what was it 10 bucks for BMP

so lets see that 70 extra you have spent ok you save now 420-70=350...It saved you 350 bucks....

Obviously all this is just numbers you could be saving..you can save more or less...So how about this

You cough up 350 bucks.. which is days earnings for an Employee and he will give you an update...dont forget do ti everu 2-3 month.. then youl be satisfied with your personla update -_-

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

11 Jun 2009 at 13:12 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

No monthly fee? Its free. Other mmos you have to pay for expansions AND monthly fee, AND server switches. Each expansion you paid for gave you content, Everything you paid for gave you an equal amount of content, yet we still get updates.

Ladeda

Just because somethings free doesn't mean i shouldn't expect at least reliable service to continue. Imagine Team Fortress 2 or Counterstrike if Valve simply released it then completely ignored it.

Broken builds are being encouraged in PvE, pugs have been reduced to Permasins or 600s which is in no way good for the game. PvP needs regular balances so when something appears thats overpowered it gets nerfed within a week, not left to poison the game for a month. Remember the old BoA sins? Took them so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing long to fix that almost every lower level form of PvP was unplayable without massive melee hate.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:15 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

Because they dont charge you a monthly fee does not mean its "Free" Think of it this way.. How much money has ANet made with GW? Compare it with other online games. If it was free how could they have made more money than 99% of the other MMO games out there?

Do you have the figures to back up the bolded statement up? It is free to play and I am sure you have more than gotten your monies worth if you are a long time player. I myself figure for money invested/hours played = $.09 per hour.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:20 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Just because somethings free doesn't mean i shouldn't expect at least reliable service to continue. Imagine Team Fortress 2 or Counterstrike if Valve simply released it then completely ignored it.

Broken builds are being encouraged in PvE, pugs have been reduced to Permasins or 600s which is in no way good for the game. PvP needs regular balances so when something appears thats overpowered it gets nerfed within a week, not left to poison the game for a month. Remember the old BoA sins? Took them so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing long to fix that almost every lower level form of PvP was unplayable without massive melee hate.

I'd be fine if TF2 was ignored. Still fun to play without updates.

PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

11 Jun 2009 at 13:32 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

I'd be fine if TF2 was ignored. Still fun to play without updates.

Only because its moddable. Critical Explosives are the single most retarded thing i've ever seen in a game.

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PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Oh don't start with that pathetic excuse. The skills were left in the game and people will take the easiest route if it means making money. If you don't believe this then go take a look at Ursan before it was eventually nerfed. Even if you didn't want to play Ursan nobody else went there, you either Ursaned or didn't do it, i recall seeing that lame reason before in Nerf Ursan threads. Zomg if you don't like ez mode don't play it... and play with who else?

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Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Huh? How does that happen if Anet never change anything? You can't continually adapt to something that never changes.

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Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Seriously stop talking crap. Bring anti-melee? Why? Nothing can even hit a permasin, all we need is the power to kill the foes in a few seconds, why bother countering the builds themselves.

You are completely contradicting yourself at every signle stage.

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:32 - 56

My posts dont say, "I paid a lot of money ANET owes me!!!" My posts say this. "Anet should do what they say, deliver what they promise." When they fail to do so.. you have a right to voice your displeasure, just because they do not charge a monthly mandatory fee, does not mean that the game is free and that you should not complain cause you dont pay a monthly fee.

Please dont put words into my mouth and try to troll me... My point is simple and true.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:32 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Because it easier to complain then try to do that.

faraaz

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2008

India

Hey Mallyx [icU]

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:35 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

Just wanna say, best post I have seen on Guru in a long time and I agree with ajc2123 fully. I would only like to add this...

Do you honestly think that once Shadow Form, Save Yourselves, CoP, all that good stuff is nerfed, PvE will become a magical land of fun and frolic? No, players in guilds interested primarily in elite area ownage WILL come up with builds that make high end PvE look like a joke. They WILL put these builds out for public use, and PvE WILL have its insta-win buttons and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Not a matter of bad balancing there, its human ingenuity in a game with how many skills is it now? Two thousand? I know there's like 320 elites. NO WAY you can balance the game with that many skills in the mix, and NOT have a way to blow through PvE content making it look stupid.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:36 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

My posts dont say, "I paid a lot of money ANET owes me!!!" My posts say this. "Anet should do what they say, deliver what they promise." When they fail to do so.. you have a right to voice your displeasure, just because they do not charge a monthly mandatory fee, does not mean that the game is free and that you should not complain cause you dont pay a monthly fee.

Please dont put words into my mouth and try to troll me... My point is simple and true.

Please elaborate what they say and promise that you haven't received. I also bet that the same constant complainers would do the same thing if they were paying a monthly fee game.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:38 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

Only because its moddable. Critical Explosives are the single most retarded thing i've ever seen in a game.

Oh don't start with that pathetic excuse. The skills were left in the game and people will take the easiest route if it means making money. If you don't believe this then go take a look at Ursan before it was eventually nerfed. Even if you didn't want to play Ursan nobody else went there, you either Ursaned or didn't do it, i recall seeing that lame reason before in Nerf Ursan threads. Zomg if you don't like ez mode don't play it... and play with who else?

Huh? How does that happen if Anet never change anything? You can't continually adapt to something that never changes.

Seriously stop talking crap. Bring anti-melee? Why? Nothing can even hit a permasin, all we need is the power to kill the foes in a few seconds, why bother countering the builds themselves.

You are completely contradicting yourself at every signle stage.

Play with who else? All the other people that don't like those builds. I just said that in my previous post.

You adapt by bringing different skills and not the same shit, thats what im trying to say.

There are counters to a perma sin too, easy to bring those

I'm not talking crap, your just too pissed off at loosing you cry to Anet everytime something 'needs' to be changed instead of trying a different build. In an ideal world, Anet solves all our problems, in a perfect world, WE DO IT OURSELVES.

BTW ty Faraaz. Very hard to receive compliments on here XD

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:39 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Please elaborate what they say and promise that you haven't received. I also bet that the same constant complainers would do the same thing if they were paying a monthly fee game.

I guess you didnt catch my first post on this thread...Kinda self explanatory.

Ghost Omel

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:42 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

My posts dont say, "I paid a lot of money ANET owes me!!!" My posts say this. "Anet should do what they say, deliver what they promise." When they fail to do so.. you have a right to voice your displeasure, just because they do not charge a monthly mandatory fee, does not mean that the game is free and that you should not complain cause you dont pay a monthly fee.

Please dont put words into my mouth and try to troll me... My point is simple and true.

Trolling as far as i know is a way to start an argumkent just to argue...

In any case i think we are having a civilized discussion. if you see it as trolling thast your right..

Anyway Please state WHEN DID ANET said or stated that they will give updates weekly, monthly , every weekend?

Proove.....they owe you squat..you owe them as far as numbers go...

They promised new chapters every 6 month....and they have a reason for stoping them....

EotN was a nice jesture in my opinion

So yeah.. Please quote of proove....I mean what words are without somehtign to back them up..unless its your Opinion at which point your argument become emotional and not being objective

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

11 Jun 2009 at 13:47 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

Play with who else? All the other people that don't like those builds. I just said that in my previous post.

It seems i don't share a telepathic bond with the entire GW player base like you do. Ursan overrun DoA, therefore if you didn't want to play Ursan you didn't bother going there because there was never anyone else there who did.

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You adapt by bringing different skills and not the same shit, thats what im trying to say.

Are you mentally deficient or something? That is not adapting, that is experimenting. Adapting is something you do when skills you used are changed so you try to find something else, that does not happen when the most overpowered skill combination is never changed.

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There are counters to a perma sin too, easy to bring those

... what? Why would i be countering my own PvE teams permasin?

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I'm not talking crap, your just too pissed off at loosing you cry to Anet everytime something 'needs' to be changed instead of trying a different build. In an ideal world, Anet solves all our problems, in a perfect world, WE DO IT OURSELVES.

Yes you really are talking crap. I'm not even sure what your trying to say, i cry to Anet for what exactly...? I lost something? What? You mean Permasins are able to tank almost everything in the game and i should look for something that can do this just as well? Are you sure you aren't mentally challenged?

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:53 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendel

It seems i don't share a telepathic bond with the entire GW player base like you do. Ursan overrun DoA, therefore if you didn't want to play Ursan you didn't bother going there because there was never anyone else there who did.

Are you mentally deficient or something? That is not adapting, that is experimenting. Adapting is something you do when skills you used are changed so you try to find something else, that does not happen when the most overpowered skill combination is never changed.

... what? Why would i be countering my own PvE teams permasin?

Yes you really are talking crap. I'm not even sure what your trying to say, i cry to Anet for what exactly...? I lost something? What? You mean Permasins are able to tank almost everything in the game and i should look for something that can do this just as well? Are you sure you aren't mentally challenged?

I'll try this one more time but i DOUBT you'll get it.

There were so many people pissed off at ursan and still PErmasins. With all that complaining, there's plenty of people to group with and play 'your' way. If you think its the only way to go, its your own damn fault for not looking for different people.

Adapting is changing to your environment. If your environment is filled with XX build, then bring a different build other then the one that keeps getting your ass kicked.

I thought you were talking about permasins in PvP before it was nerfed. my bad. BUT since you are talking about the PvE affect, then the same goes for my first statement. Play with others that don't like Permasins. As guru shows theres plenty of you out there apparently.

If you refuse to see this, then I'm sorry for your mind. Go see someone with common sense.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 13:55 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

So the new system caused this delay... so why did we go to the new system? I find the new system harder to use than the old.. when it comes to picking the choices...

For the people who keep saying... free game... free game.. dont complain... well its not free... i paid for this game the expansions, the additional slots, the bonus campaigns, the name change, the makeover... ect .ect..

and "We EXPECT to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week." I would guess more trouble with this system than is beeing lead on.

I assume you are referring to this. The only thing you paid for that has any meaning to this discussion are the chapters. The others were either given to you for no cost or were optional.

Ghost Omel

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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11 Jun 2009 at 13:58 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I assume you are referring to this. The only thing you paid for that has any meaning to this discussion are the chapters. The others were either given to you for no cost or were optional.

He quited before i could..Thank you Ranger

esthetic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2008

Fantasy Island

[Qtie]

R/Mo

11 Jun 2009 at 14:01 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I assume you are referring to this. The only thing you paid for that has any meaning to this discussion are the chapters. The others were either given to you for no cost or were optional.

Does this make sense? The "Game" is the "Game" right? I mean its all part of the game. no?

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

11 Jun 2009 at 14:03 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

There were so many people pissed off at ursan and still PErmasins. With all that complaining, there's plenty of people to group with and play 'your' way. If you think its the only way to go, its your own damn fault for not looking for different people.

Really? Where are they? And more to the point, as was the same with Ursan, it could do things so much faster than its nearest alternative with so little effort running another thing was pointless. Nothing comes close to a Permasin for balling foes up, nor RoJ for pure AoE damage. At the end of the day the problem still remains that any scrub no matter how much they suck at the game can do something 5 times over by the time an alternative does it once. Thats 5 times more profit for running the stupidly overpowered build in the elite area. And since things such as VSF are based on completing it as much as possible to improve your tiny chance of getting the drop... speed is everything.

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Adapting is changing to your environment. If your environment is filled with XX build, then bring a different build other then the one that keeps getting your ass kicked.

... what? Wtf are you on about, 'getting my ass kicked', since when could a permasin CoP/RoJ team get its ass kicked at anything? You still have no idea at the differences between adapting and experimenting.

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If you refuse to see this, then I'm sorry for your mind. Go see someone with common sense.

If that was suppose to be in insult it backfired, i see no common sense here because you sure as hell don't have any.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

11 Jun 2009 at 14:06 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Whether you know it or not, it doesn't seem to me you can use Arduinna's statement to back your vendetta. You take a statement, highlite part of it, and then use it out of context of the total statement. I could do the same with yours by bolding "Absolutely" and saying I did it to your main point, totally ignoring the rest of your post. I leave it up Arduinna to tell me if I am wrong.

So you are saying that Arduinna is not bored and does not take a break every so often?
The question was simple - is it possible that players are not satisfied with GW?
Arduinna admitted that, I admitted that, other people also did so.
And I don't see what's wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Changed it for ya.

Of course they can, for the few percentage of players that actually voice their minds on guru that they are upset, it doesn't matter. They already have your money from the campaigns you bought, and when GW2 comes around, even if you don't buy it, many GW1 vets AND new people who never even played GW1 before WILL buy it.

I never played Team fortress 1 (Im assuming there is one due to the fact the one i have has 2 at the end of the name) But I bought Team fortress 2.

THEN people who bought GW2 and like it will want to try its predecessor. In actuality, GW2 is a great way to advertise GW1.

So yes, yes they can afford it, and I have absolutely no problem where the game is going.

If they put it out - will someone buy it?
Of course people will.
Will people buy it in the quantities that they want to sell it in?
That is something that they do NOT know. All they can do is make relatively educated predictions of it.
And since your modified version implies some sort of certainty - I'd stick to what I wrote. Unless you are using a magic ball?

The interesting thing about their plan is that GW was advertised in as a game where players play the game, take a break and then come back. What we are seeing now is that they guys don't seem to have problems with introducing changes (or in case of bad skill balances - NOT introducing changes) which lead to players not coming back (as you have said in the bolded part). Of course these players can change their mind later and do end up coming back - but that would demand some sort of an action of A.Net's part.
Basically they are fine with alienating players and then hoping to win them back. Seems a waste when we consider that these players, had they not been alienated, would highly likely keep supporting the product.
And once again - why should we shut our eyes to this?

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

PLAYERS broke the games in PvE and as part of the community, WE should fix it be REFUSING to use such builds if your so anal about it. No one is making you play the broken way. With all the complainers in guru, you could all make one alliance and play the way you want to play.

Why must Anet keep updating skills? What happened to ADAPTING to the different builds around you?

Too much Melee? Bring anti melee, Enchantments a problem? Bring strips. And don't say "We shouldnt have to bring specific counters to a single build" Because then its suggesting you don't see it that often, therefore not making it a problem. If you KNOW you are going to see certain builds, BRING COUNTERS! After a while of being countered, the build will fade out and a new one arrises. THIS IS HOW PLAYERS FIX THE GAME ON THEIR OWN!

Honest to fricken god how hard is it to adjust a build.

I giggled because this just shows a complete lack of understanding of the basic GW rules.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

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11 Jun 2009 at 14:11 - 70

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Originally Posted by Kendel

You still have no idea at the differences between adapting and experimenting.

Experimenting is a necessary step in adapting. Sure, it can involve a lot of time and frustration, but thems the breaks.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Guardians of the Cosmos

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11 Jun 2009 at 14:15 - 71

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Originally Posted by upier

So you are saying that Arduinna is not bored and does not take a break every so often?
The question was simple - is it possible that players are not satisfied with GW?
Arduinna admitted that, I admitted that, other people also did so.
And I don't see what's wrong with that.

Bored: to weary by dullness, tedious repetition, unwelcome attentions, etc.:

Dissatisfied: Feeling or exhibiting a lack of contentment or satisfaction.

You use words with 2 different meanings and try and say they are the same.
You can be satisfied with something yet get bored with it over time.

Kendel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

11 Jun 2009 at 14:20 - 72

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Originally Posted by Targren

Experimenting is a necessary step in adapting. Sure, it can involve a lot of time and frustration, but thems the breaks.

If you want a very long discussion on it, sort of. If you don't, yes.

But once you've hit upon the best possible build, in this case, Permasin tank with RoJ/CoP nukers, you don't need further experimenting because there simply won't be anything. Sure you may need to make a few changes to the builds to counter certain things in the area like Glyph of Concentration for Choking Gas or a Barrier/Bond monk to help with PBAoEs. But the basic build is the same, the damage dealers themselves don't need to do a thing because what they have is simply so overpowered there are almost no counters for it, in Slavers spirit bond can be problem, but luckily for RoJers, its damage clocks in at 48/50 without Urals Hammer so won't trigger it.

The only way your going to get further experimenting is by changing skills that are overused and overpowered and forcing people to adapt to these changes by experimenting with other skills.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

11 Jun 2009 at 14:29 - 73

Lots of rage going on in this thread. Lots of flaming. So let's recap for those that missed the important points and for the reason the thread was created:

Korea Service Migration
* Migrated Korean accounts to the North American servers.

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Originally Posted by Regina

We're doing some backend work on the Xunlai Tournament House, so the points will not be ready tomorrow as planned. We're very sorry about the inconvenience. We expect to have the Xunlai points distribution available next week.