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Originally Posted by BrettM
Didn't you just contradict yourself? One player with discord is not overpowered. It is only op when used by a team and you would like this changed. Yet you do not apply the same standard to imbagons, where you see nothing wrong with op team use as long as an individual player is not op.
As for RoJ, I have no objection to fixing the scattering bug. However, I do object to this bug being fixed in isolation. If RoJ is to be fixed, it should be done as part of an overhaul of smiting, so that smiting remains a viable choice, even if it is no longer as simple as just calling for an ion cannon strike.
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The nature of some skills is that they get exponentially more powerful if you bring several copies of it. That goes for nukes as well as heals. That isn't wrong, as some skills are just prefered over others.
The problem with discord specifically is that it's a 100 dmg armor ignoring 2 second recharge spell. Except for the condition and hex/ench need, there's no downside of it. Compared to other damage spells/types, which has to be the comparison standard here, it's way too powerful. Ele nukes might outdo the damage if you stand in them for long enough, but that's not even counted the scatter trigger.
Moreover, discord does not need ANY real synergies. So you have 7 "random" slots left on your bar which you are free to fill with minions, death nova, heals, whatever (note that hexes can be applied by just a single suffering, and conditions via minions/death nova).
That's far too powerful.
I agree with the smiting overhaul in general though.
"SY!" is just a dumb skill. How they could have fixed ursan and left this one alone (same goes for CoP) is pure idioticy. It's a 90% damage reduce vs. physical damage. Nice.
Adding a recharge time at least makes it impossible to maintain it 24/7 ALONE.
That skills can be kept up indefinitely by chaining it with teammates, well, that's just the nature of the game and can't (plus shouldn't) be fixed.
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think it's quite hilarious (hiscarious even) that most of the poeple who DO complain about Discord/RoJ/SF/CoP/whatever are the ones who've been abusing it the most. But now, obviously when they're done with the VQ:ing of all three contintents, gotten the e-blade from the uw chest after running it like 300 times as a sin, keg-farmed their wisdom titles up to max and so on, they think something like:
"lol wtfbbq, everyone is a gwamm, nerf everything so it gets harder to get and we'll still be the cool kids! I'm done, I dont care if everyone else has to do it the hard way when I got it while sleepwalking and throwing kisses at Livia at the same time. Anet c'moooooon please nerf it all!"
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Srsly, that's a pretty hilarious suggestion.
You are right it is "unfair" when people can achieve the same with a lot less work than you had to do without a right compensation (that's why i'm not in favor of a allegiance title redux for ex.).
Still i had been doing DoA when Ursan was still around from the very strart. And i hadn't been happy when it got removed. Yet i knew it was overpowered, totally misplaced and deserved the bat. That's it, nothing with jealousy.
Same goes for Discord and SY! (which isnt actually that great of a use on a spellcaster team as a melee imo). My heroes use it. It's the best bar atm, so i let my heroes run it. Still i want it to be nerfed. It's too powerful. Period.
Shadow Form ... lol. All those sweet little crybabies here (IF YOU NERV SF U NERV 55 AND 600 TUUU. ANET MAKES THIS GAME SOO BAED, I QUIT GW WHEN SEY NERV SF) who have no idea what to do when their precious, dumbest skill of all times gets removed or nerfed. They dont even realize how stupidly imbalanced that skill actually is.
Oh ya, they might lose the ability to run Darkrime Delves/whatever else and by that their only income source. No more showing off average voltaic spears and black dyed crap anymore, boasting with "I RUN DAG/DELVES SOLO. I CAN EVEN RUN THRU UNDERWORLD IN 7 MINS: AND THATS CUZ AIM INVINCIBLE". Ever occured to you that those things were not meant to be solo'd? And all that made it piossible is Anets stupidity?
No wonder PuGs suck and everyone groups with heroes if all you can expect from pugs is pressing "1 2 3".
As for RoJ, this has been discussed. Fix AoE scatter. LOL at PvP version. People who use RoJ in PvP because it does not cause scatter ... gosh, please go back to PermaSin.