Funny Ban

This all started out with a UWSC with part guildies part pug. Here's how pissy pants and retarded people can be. Also I'll follow it up with my weak support trying to figure out where they come across temp banning my account over a bogus claim for racial slur.

The other night while on vent (and not talking) a guy said something about a friend of his rocking a jewfro. Of course I said jew fros rock (or something along the line maybe of my cousins husband rocking one too) in team chat or may have just said something like jew. This turd on our team said enjoy your 72 hr ban for racial slurs.

So I had to inform him that jews isn't a race and is actually a religion (some people believe it is a race but no, sorry religion) and race is a poor way to judge people, be normal, use nationalities like 90% of the world.
The he goes on harassing me saying how I suck so bad and how he had blacklisted me. So I cussed him out in a PM on how stupid he was where he of course responds back saying that he screen shot that also (which if I was blocked by him he wouldn't of got it so he was also lying).

Also I had to inform him if he didn't like certain language to put on his chat (profanity) filter which was put in the game for a reason. Also remember I stated this in a team chat. This is the whole reason why whinny lil kids like this need a good ol ass whoopin.

Try again today and wtf is this.

A ban on my account. So of course I have to email to figure out exactally why. So far this is what I've gotten.

So can anyone tell me why I was banned without using the same ol clustered crap like every other closed minded person?



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Suspended account for what?

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Response (GM Silverhawk) 06/12/2009 12:48 PM
Hello A,

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I am escalating your ticket to our Guild Wars senior staff members to assist you further. Once they have reviewed your question, one of them will contact you shortly.

Regards,
GM Silverhawk
The Guild Wars Support Team
Customer () 06/12/2009 12:42 PM
>
Ok this doesn't answer my question on what I said. Because as I said
before I didn't use any racial slur. You cannot provide me with what I
said nor can you state when I did it. So therefore I must not of said
anything and I request the ban to be lifted on my account. If it was
confirmed this should be easy. Thanks.

>
Response (Phillip) 06/12/2009 11:35 AM
Hello A,

Your character has been observed violating the User Agreement and/or the Rules of Conduct through a confirmed use of inappropriate language. The infraction was reported and substantiated through our logs.

Any violation of the Rules of Conduct will result in a mark placed on your account. Each mark will suspend your account for a given period of time, and that period of account suspension would rise with each subsequent mark against your account. Account marks will expire after a period of time. Therefore, you can clear your account of marks, and remove the risk of lengthy suspensions, simply by observing the Rules of Conduct and the User Agreement.

We have included links to the User Agreement and Rules of Conduct below so that you may review them at your convenience.

User Agreement: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Rules of Conduct: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

Regards,
GM Phillip
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Customer () 06/12/2009 10:35 AM
How was my account suspended for using racial slurs? I would like to know what I said and when I said it because I'm pretty sure I didn't use a racial slur. Slurs are listed on www.rsdb.org I'm guessing I was banned because someone didn't like me and I made fun of them for being a cry baby and harassing me. But of course you wouldn't have records of that. I have a feeling I know who it was because they said I was on there ignore list when I was private messaging them and just wanted to start trouble with the team. Also if you are offended by certain language I'm pretty sure the chat filter is there for a reason.

Question Reference #090612
Product Level 1: Guild Wars
Category Level 1: Account Support
Category Level 2: General
Date Created: 06/12/2009 10:35 AM
Last Updated: 06/12/2009 12:48 PM
Status: Unresolved
Department: Violation Report
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Operating System: Windows Vista (64-bit)
Character Name: Cpt Spaulding

We can't tell you anything, only support can. And seeing you already did that, your thread will only invoke flaming.

I guess you were just unlucky that that person was so "close minded" and saw it as an insult in some way or another. Ofcourse I can't really say to what level it's your fault without the complete conversation.
Just be careful with what you say to people you don't know. I never got banned, nor ever got reported, because I first think and then type(and no, I'm not saying you're too dumb or something like that), I never insulted anyone and never responded to anyone sending an insult, just place yourself above it. LOL

I don't really think it'll invoke flaming it should be more people voicing similar issues they have had before. This part is more American based but if Americans are about change, equality, ect why the hell do we still view people by race, religion, sex, ect. That makes diversity on all levels and leads to hate. Because people want to be "happy" which in a perfect world is impossible, but because people play into this we have stupid things that happen like my ban which makes no logical sense.

Long live the flying spaghetti monster. Also everyone should join the church of the invisible pink unicorn. The only true church. We logically know the unicorn is invisible because we can't see it. Our faith tells us the unicorn is pink. Sorry for those who don't believe but it's a faith thing. I'm right and your wrong

I see where you're coming from Mister, in a sense, but common now. Shouldn't this be limited to trade chat or local chat and not used in guild/alliance/team chat unless it's harassment/spam material?

You raged at him. He won.

Ya it sucks.
I also cussed a guy in HB and the next day i was banned.
Thats what the chat filter is there for, if they turned it off then its there fault and they should not be complaining and whining.

If accounts are banned for language usage why not just ban everyone. Because everyone has said something in game before. People are normally either to sensitive or are upset for one reason or another (getting beat) or are just dicks and wanna screw other people over.

don't try to understand why, they read the title of the email, look for you char name and ban you without doing any effort to see if you deserve to be banned or not,you're not paying to play don't forget that

Chat filter doesn't mean shit.

I dunno bout you guys but I've kept my mouth shut for 3 and a half years and haven't gotten one ban, Amazing concept isn't it?

But have you done anything for 3 1/2 yrs. From my experience people who stay quiet are the ones who do nothing or only do things with "friends" who also do nothing. Well I'll take they back, they do play D&D in each others basements. Thing is if you don't talk or stand up for stuff you'll just be walked on non stop.

I am thinking they just ban because of title instead of reading. I've noticed that when trying to fix issues with GW before. You can tell them in an email 100 things and they'll have you do something totally not even part of the problem.

Yeah I always keep my mouth shut
usualy never talk to anyone just incase I run into that one flaming noob
Only gotten banned once but that was my fault anyways.

Who would have ever thought that this could be true?!! Yeah I've never been banned cause I actually know how to hold back my temper; even though this is just a game cause I don't want the ability to play the game, aka ban, to be invoked on me due to one stupid slip. Maybe you should realize that you are dealing with real people and should actually try and respect them sometimes... I mean it isn't all that hard to do now is it?

You can be disrespected more with out someone cussing you or using any type of derogatory slur towards you. Just think of it as because you did something that a few can't you have those people harassing you over and over again. Then once you call them on it they wanna go tell mommy/daddy on you. All I can say if people who control what goes on in game are as ignorant as people that play the game. I don't see it lasting much longer (a large fan base is already falling and GW2 is being speculated as being a failure already due to delays).

If you can be banned for language, regardless of having a filter function and you still do it, then you deserve what you get. People like to get all upset over a video game and become abusive jerks. This has become commonplace in the video game world. If you can't handle the tiny bit of pressure/stress/disappointment/frustration that can come from playing video games then you are going to have real problems in life with work/relationships and things that are actually important.

If you're not going to consider how your words/actions will affect others, then don't expect anyone to care how their words/actions affect you. You offended someone and then further insult him even though you were in the wrong, yet you are unwilling to see the truth of the matter and even now you will do nothing more than respond in the same fashion as most "gamers", with insults.

I personally do not report people for bad behavior or foul language because its so common that I'd spend all my time reporting and never get to play, Plus it does no good. You get suspended for a few days and then those people are back in the game doing exactly what they were doing before. Plus foul language doesn't bother me. It just shows that idiots can't find better words to use so they use curses instead. (poor vocabulary maybe?)

I encourage reporting if its for a good reason and I wish in-game temp bans were 168 hours for the first offense. (1 week) 720 hours for the second offense (1 month) and the third offense would be a permanent ban and account closure. But that would require more work than I believe a game provider would be willing to do, Not cost effective, In order to make sure the offender is actually breaking the ToS and its not just a personal attack to get someone banned.(which is not unheard of )

Also, there is no reason to turn the chat filter on, when using profanity can get a person temp banned. If you don't like it, then don't use foul language, because if someone else doesn't like your bad language, they can report you and you get punished. But if you don't like them not using the chat filter, there is nothing you can do. If you have a problem with that, you should take it up with the game provider. It is after all, their rules.

I completely agree with chrisworld, I keep my language clean (for the most part) I try not to insult anyone, as this is a video game and no reason to let something so pointless affect me so much. I'v never been banned for any reason because I obey the rules of the game.

So CaptainSpaulding (love that character BTW, HoAtC rocks!) While you enjoy a temp ban that could have been avoided, I shall be enjoying the game.


This is the problem with tha gaming community and has been a problem since starcraft and diablo. Before those games, gamers were generally polite and respectful to one another. Now its "you're a worthless noob who should kill yourself unless I like you" which is wrong.

Also, the people who work on this game probably laugh when they read these reports and then read the support tickets from the offenders. They get paid to ban people after all. As for guildwar players being ignorant, I can't disagree on that much. Many people in ALL games I'v played have shown a serious lack of self control or mature development. Online games are filled with unsupervised children and disfunctional adults who find enjoyment in lashing out at their monitors (other people in the video game). But not everyone is like that, I'v met some very cool people who know how to act and treat others regardless of a situation. Although they're rare.

-And, guildwars and guildwars 2 are at no risk of ending due to lack of a fanbase. The people who say that are those people who are throwing childish fits because they're being punished for something they did or something they do not like. Guildwars is going to have a long life span, even after gw2 comes out and Guildwars 2 will have a good life span also.

If someone gets a bit pissy about you saying "jewfro," why antagonize them? That's probably what sealed your fate as far as a ban is concerned.

cussing someone out because they said they were reporting you isnt standing up for yourself, this doesnt have anything to do with what this thread is about anyways so i dont know why u have to get off topic

Here's the thing I didn't offend them. They went ahead and just said enjoy the ban. Without giving anyone a chance to explain themselves. Saying something like hey can you not say that anymore. Simple fix used in the workplace on a daily basis.

Actually poor language would be using something other than taboo words (if you have half a brain you know words are added and removed from this cuss list). Hell was an acceptable word until the early to mid 90s. Breast and thigh were also considered cuss words in the 1800s so common, words are words. Some words that aren't even bad cannot be used because they contain a slur in them, but people are ignorant and don't realize what the hell a word really is. Look up niggardly, sRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, and Niggard totally acceptable words but because it has the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO word in it people get all butt hurt.

ROFL even freakin gwguru won't allow the word. The seceond was sierra november india golf golf echo romeo. Sad how they block that but not jew either. So I guess this site is ok with the "j word" but not the "n word" lol

Also got CptSpaulding from House of 1000 Corpses but that's another story. I do understand what your saying but the whole point is I was banned and can't even get a reason for it. The rules say don't use foul language yes. I did say f you or something like that, but the ban is for racial slurs and they can't tell me what it was. The whole point is I am guilty having to prove my innocents. Totally wrong (also used in the UK I do believe for their judicial system which is a lil jacked up).

Also I guess being in the military for 8 years working with all sorts of different people attending tons of boring pointless training on this part doesn't help. Even tho the military is extremely biased against certain groups of people such as atheist and gays. Also I am an E6 so you can say I ain't gone anywhere either. So sorry not a failure at life either (not when I train people on a daily basis).

I've said it many times before, and i'll say it again.

Carebears RUN Guild Wars.

The only way you can avoid being banned is not being social in the game at all. People think heroes killed team play in PvE, wrong. ANet sucking the tiny peens of thousands of overly sensitive carebears did. You can get banned for literally everything, saying anything to anyone's dismay.

Kleenex -- 100 reports per box.

You know what you're guilty of and trying to find a loophole to get the temp ban removed won't work most of the time. As someone in the service, I would expect you to act a bit better than us civilians. You are after all, supose to be role models. Although with the military recruiting more and more thugs and gangmembers daily, the military isn't what it used to be.

-And what is acceptable by the standards of a society with little to no moral character does not mean much to some of us. Just because majority rules doesn't mean its right. The majority is more often than not, idiots or at the very least, self absorbed, greedy and uncarring.

You seem to be someonewhat intelligent, probably far more intelligent than myself. So learn from this and in the future, instead of supporting (unwillingly or not) bad behavior, try to steer people in a better direction, away from the "its cool to be a jerk" attitude that you find oh so common these days.

Or don't and reclaim your position in line with everyone else who is unwilling to learn from their mistakes and would rather keep on acting like a degenerate. Its your choice.


Thats not true. I'm pretty social and I'v never been banned because I do not "play" with offensive jerks and I also do not allow myself or my friends to get baited into childish flamewars. Its really not hard to use common sense or common courtesy. Although I guess, to my suprise, that is harder than I thought considering how few of either can be found online.

I for one am thankful that game providers have behavior rules, otherwise online games would be filled with nothing but jerks spewing their vulgar garbage 24/7. Video gaming used to be a social activity and is fast becoming a anti social activity. This is why many gamers check to see if you can solo in a game, because the gamer community is 60% raging jerks, 40% friendly players.

The only people who have a problem with behavior requirements and rules are those who want to be jerks and get away with it. You should not be allowed to ruin someone elses fun, just because it amuses you.
-And if being conscious of my own actions or the feelings of others make me a carebear, then load up the cloudcar, its time to take a drive!

The chat filter is there to tell you, which words are allowed or not.

These type of people make me angry.
'Jew' is DEFINATELY not a racial slur.
It wasn't a racial slur even used in that context.
But still, there's nothing you can do because of the idiots are the majority of the community.

I don't know what you said in your team chat, but if someone saw 'Jew' used, they may have assumed it was being used as a slur, especially if also using the 'fro' with it. They may have been wrong in the assumption, but that is an easy one to understand. If they then get insulted and swore at in a PM, they have a very good reason to place a report. Swearing is against the EULA, and even though there is a filter, it is not there to allow swearing. The people who review the /reports may have decided to ban you as much for the PM to the guy as the team chat he got mad about.

Talking about it here won't do you any good, but MAYBE you will understand why the problem arose.

Maybe......

Sorry dude, but you brought this on yourself. Not so much for the Jew comment, but because you took the bait and decided to 'curse' the guy out in a pm. If you're cursing at him and he's not responding, of course you're gonna look like the bad guy. I wish people would understand, sarcasm goes alot further than cursing and its so much better at shutting jerks up. I've been in plenty of fights with people on GW, but I'm never cursed at them, so I've never been banned.

So lesson learned: Dont curse out people through pms?

ill tell you something better > [anet sux and fails hard]

This .

Don't make "racial slurs" or whatever you want to call them :P

If someone harasses you first and you harass back it doesn't mean shit to Anet and I learned that the hard way, when I got banned a while back now they checked the logs and told me there was no harassment towards myself when their was, I don't target people and harass them because I like to get banned fer teh lulz but according you Anet I do.

Anyway, alot of things are said to be racial slurs these days it's getting ridiculous, you probably said something that made the mod who hit the ban hammer, a slang racial slur for example? I don't think they're completely oblivious. That's the only thing I can think of but from experience Anet don't always ban fairly but that's just my two cents..

What this guy said...

I got permed (Without getting a week ban) for having Vs The Blacks in my name.

I have kept 'my mouth shut' ingame GW too......
Thank gawd for Ventrillo!!!
(/slaps guildies for possible recordings floating around)

From what it sounds like, it was your fault.
Here's why:
You MAY have offened him, and even then, you cussed him out in PMs.
Cussing out people in PMs alone is enough for a ban, added with what he said in his report..well, you get the picture.

Even if they find that you used no racial slures, they will still keep the ban on you for cussing him out through PMs...

So, sorry to say, but theres no real point to this.

You set up yourself as a bait when you said that.

it is arena net, what do you honestly expect?

If the people responsible for your ban decided to let you rest 72 hours based on game logs, its proof enough that you insulted someone, the guys in the support team are not supposed to take sides or whatever you are implying.

Unless Anet has SS of this insult they should lift the ban.

I would love it if those who reported/abused for "bad" language had the chat filter forced on them for week. Or bad reporters couldn't report for a time. Or had a lifetime rating. But of course the people working at Anet don't care and players would abuse it.

All I can say is watch what you say. I remember when I first raging on Guild Wars. Had my chat filter on and was wondering how the other guy knew what I was saying since at that time I thought Anet just filtered them automaticatlly

Honestly reporting someone for language or pretty much anything for that matter is basically a joke since there is a FILTER and IGNORE LIST . So imo only whiny little girls that are isolated from the rest of society use the report feature.

I guess I will throw my 2 sense in. A friend of mine rocks a Jewfro and I make fun of him all the time for it. It is great we both laugh. People are stupid. The internet was made for ppl to act big and bad and allow whiny 7 year olds to have power by getting you banned for dumb crap. Past is the Past. Good luck playing in 51 hours. Hopefully you will come back and get an e blade on your first uwsc.